LA AUTO SHOW: Is Acura's All-New RLX Poised For Legend-Like Success Or Will It Linger On Dealer Lots?

LA AUTO SHOW: Is Acura's All-New RLX Poised For Legend-Like Success Or Will It Linger On Dealer Lots?
In recent months we've been wondering what Acura could do to bring itself back from the dead. Regardless of what some detractors may say, it's a brand that's gone a bit stale.

And, frankly, the beak doesn't help.

At the 2012 Los Angeles Auto Show, Acura finally revealed the long-awaited RL replacement. Creatively named the RLX, it is suppose to up the ante. The problem is we're failing to see how with design language that certainly won't blow anyone's doors off and an interior that seems too closely related to the Honda Accord.

Interestingly enough, we know that Acura will be bringing a 370-horsepower variant with all-wheel drive to the market later in 2013 but will that even get a buyer's attention?

Is the 2014 RLX poised for success like the Legend OR is this car destined for the same, ill-advised fate of the RL?


Acura's press release follows:

Acura took the wraps off its all-new 2014 RLX luxury-performance sedan – the most powerful, spacious, and technologically advanced Acura sedan, ever. In keeping with the Man-Machine Synergy direction of the Acura brand, the RLX utilizes an all-new direct-injection engine, lightweight body structure, and the first-ever application of Acura Precision All-Wheel Steer™ to deliver a new and dynamic driving experience unlike that of any other luxury performance sedans. The next-generation AcuraLink® cloud-based connected car system makes its debut on the new RLX, offering a broad range of convenience, entertainment and security features.

"The 2014 Acura RLX heralds the introduction of a number of new signature Acura technologies that provide the driver a feeling of connection to the product, to the road, and to the world from the very moment they enter the vehicle," said Jeff Conrad, vice president and general manager of Acura Sales. "The RLX embodies the Acura commitment to create vehicles with outstanding handling that truly respond to the will of the driver."

The 2014 Acura RLX is powered by an all-new 310-horsepower direct-injected SOHC 24-Valve i-VTEC® V-6 engine with Variable Cylinder Management, and is expected to earn best-in-class estimated EPA fuel economy ratings of 20/31/24 mpg1 (city/highway/combined). The new RLX delivers full-size interior space in a nimbler, mid-size luxury sedan package and boasts the best rear-seat legroom (38.8 inches), longest tandem seating distance (36.4 inches), and best front and rear shoulder room in the mid-luxury class.

Precision All-Wheel Steer™ (P-AWS) is the world's first technology to feature independent and continuous control of the left and right rear-wheel steering (toe) angles to achieve new levels of handling agility, high- and low-speed maneuverability, and confident handling control for a two-wheel-drive luxury sedan.

As previously announced, a version of RLX featuring Acura's new Sport Hybrid Super Handling All-Wheel Drive® (Sport Hybrid SH-AWD®) technology, producing 370 horsepower with expected fuel economy ratings of 30 city/30 highway/30 combined, will debut later in 2013.

The new RLX will confidently compete in the high-end luxury sedan market with an incredible array of leading-edge technologies – including the next-generation AcuraLink™ connectivity system with AcuraLink Real-Time Traffic™ featuring freeway traffic and all-new surface street conditions, the Lane Keeping Assist System and Forward Collision Warning safety systems, and new driver-assistive technologies such as Adaptive Cruise Control with Low-Speed Follow, Agile Handling Assist dynamic braking technology and Jewel Eye™ LED headlights.

The 2014 Acura RLX is slated to go on-sale at U.S. Acura dealers nationwide in the spring of 2013 and will be available in five grades – the well-equipped RLX, the RLX with Navigation, the feature-packed RLX with Technology package, the RLX with Krell Audio package, and the top-of-the-line RLX with Advance package. Pricing details will be announced closer to launch.

Exterior Design and Function

The RLX follows an "aero-fused" exterior design motif with its wide and athletic stance, sharp upswept bodylines, aerodynamic greenhouse, and distinctive new Jewel-Eye™ LED headlights offering improved down-the-road illumination. The RLX's sleek upper body and numerous other aerodynamic features result in aerodynamic efficiency to best-in-class levels.

Seven spoke 18x8J aluminum-alloy wheels and 245/45 R18 all-weather tires are standard, while Technology, Krell and Advance grades feature 19x8J wheels and 245/40 R19 tires. The RLX's alloy wheels also feature a noise-reducing design that lowers tire noise by 7 decibels across the audible frequency range.

Additional exterior features available on the RLX include an acoustic glass windshield and door glass, integrated power rear sunshade, front and rear parking sensors, heated and auto-dimming side mirrors, and rain-sensing windshield wipers.

Interior Design and Function

The RLX interior features premium, soft touch materials throughout, with the tasteful application of premium metal and wood-grain accents. A stitched leather instrument panel, center console and steering wheel, along with available Milano perforated leather seats, communicate a new level of craftsmanship and refined luxury appeal in Acura's top-of-the-line sedan.

Luxury form and function are smartly integrated in the RLX's new center console, featuring dual screens – an 8-inch Navigation screen and a 7-inch On-Demand Multi-Use Display™ touch screen – that provide easy and direct one-touch access to key functions, including audio, air conditioning, navigation and text-to-voice SMS text message function. The sliding, leather-trimmed armrest conceals a storage compartment with USB connectivity, 12-volt accessory power outlet and space to store a tablet device.

Additional interior comfort and convenience features include push-button start, power tilt and telescoping steering, power sunroof, tri-zone automatic climate control, and Bluetooth® HandsFreeLink®.

The standard 10-speaker ELS® audio system includes HD radio™, XM radio, Pandora® interface, USB connectivity, and an auxiliary jack. The RLX with Technology package is equipped with a 14-speaker Acura/ELS® Studio premium audio system. The Krell Audio and Advance grades receive an all-new Krell ultra-premium system that sets a new benchmark for high-fidelity sound in a luxury vehicle.

Chassis Technology

Whether on a serpentine mountain pass, congested city street, or cramped airport parking deck, and in all weather conditions, the RLX with Precision All-Wheel Steer™ (P-AWS™), is designed to deliver an unprecedented level of handling precision and control.

Working in concert with Vehicle Stability Assist® (VSA®) with Traction Control and Agile Handling Assist dynamic braking system, P-AWS™ provides enhanced vehicle stability, maneuverability, and control. The RLX's handling performance is further elevated by its new double-wishbone front and multi-link rear suspension system with Amplitude Reactive Dampers, and new high-output, belt-type electronic power steering.

All RLX models have 4-wheel disc brakes with high-friction pads and a 4-channel anti-lock braking system (ABS), along with new Hydraulic Brake Boost that improves brake pedal feel. New Electric Parking Brake with Automatic Brake Hold, and high-efficiency Vehicle Stability Assist™ (VSA®) are additional firsts for Acura.

New Direct Injected VTEC® V-6 with VCM

The 2014 RLX is powered by an all-new 3.5-liter direct-injected SOHC i-VTEC® V-6 engine with Variable Cylinder Management. Rated at 310 horsepower and 272 lb.-ft. of torque, the engine delivers exceptional drivability, with more than 90-percent of its peak torque produced from 2000 rpm to 6600 rpm. Variable Cylinder Management™ with 3-cylinder and 6-cylinder operation works in concert with the VTEC valvetrain to deliver superb cruising efficiency. The engine is mounted to a lightweight and rigid aluminum front subframe using a vibration-canceling Active Control engine Mount (ACM) system.

The new engine is mated to a reengineered Sequential SportShift 6-speed automatic transmission with revised gearing, an intuitive selector and steering-wheel-mounted shift paddles. A driver-selectable Sport mode provides more aggressive shift points and more pronounced engine braking during deceleration, along with manual operation.

AcuraLink® Connectivity System

The RLX is equipped with the next-generation of the AcuraLink® connectivity system, delivering a bevy of new information, media, convenience, and security services via embedded two-way communications and web-enabled devices. AcuraLink® leverages the Aha™ by Harman cloud-based interface to provide users with thousands of customizable media and connectivity choices. Next-generation AcuraLink® also delivers an array of available security and convenience features, such as AcuraLink Real-Time Traffic™ featuring freeway traffic and all-new surface street traffic, airbag deployment notification, stolen vehicle tracking, remote locking and unlocking, security alarm notification and 24-hour personalized concierge services for restaurant reservations and more.

Advanced Safety, Visibility, and Driver Assistive Technology

The RLX offers a comprehensive list of leading-edge technologies, including Lane Departure Warning, Lane Keeping Assist system, Forward Collision Warning and Collision Mitigation Brake system safety technologies, Adaptive Cruise Control with Low Speed Follow driver assist system, and Blind Spot Information and Multi-Angle Rearview Camera with Dynamic Guidelines enhanced visibility systems.
Featuring Acura's next-generation Advanced Compatibility Engineering™ II (ACE™ II) body structure, the RLX is anticipated to earn top-level safety ratings, including a 5-star NCAP Overall Vehicle Score, and IIHS ‘Top Safety Pick' rating as well as a GOOD rating in the new IIHS small overlap frontal crash test.

Additional details on key advances and technologies for the all-new 2014 RLX:

  • Class leading interior space based on the RLX's longer wheelbase and efficient packaging. At 196.1 inches, the RLX is similar in length to the outgoing RL, but it has a two-inch longer wheelbase and is nearly two inches wider, placing the new RLX well above the norm in the mid-luxury class. The flagship RLX sedan has up to three inches more rear legroom than competing models, including the BMW 535i, Lexus GS350 and Audi A6.
  • Extensive use of lightweight materials includes the application of high-strength steel to 55 percent of the body, and the intensive use of aluminum—for the front fenders, hood, steering hangar beam, front and rear bumper beams, front subframe, and front and rear door outer panels (mated to steel inner panels). The RLX weighs in at 3,933 pounds. Static bending and torsional body rigidity are up 52 percent and 46 percent, respectively.
  • Jewel-Eye LED headlights (an Acura first) LED lamps enhance the RLX's modern and distinctive appearance while providing outstanding light distribution and improved down-the-road illumination.
  • Acura Navigation System with Voice Recognition™ offers a wide range of search options including local search functionality and AcuraLink Real-Time Traffic™ for both highways and surface streets.
  • Agile Handling Assist (an Acura first) uses active braking to help the driver smoothly and easily trace the desired line through a curve with smaller steering inputs.
  • Electric Parking Brake (an Acura first) provides one-touch parking brake activation.
  • Automatic Brake Hold (an Acura first) maintains the vehicle's position when the driving or parking brake are released until the throttle is depressed.
  • Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) with Low-Speed Follow (an Acura first), allows the RLX to independently maintain a set following distance in low-speed traffic situations, including stop and go traffic, and to initiate vehicle braking when necessary.
  • Forward Collision Warning (FCW) uses a camera mounted in the upper portion of the windshield to detect vehicles ahead of the RLX and audibly and visually alert the driver when it determines a frontal collision with a detected vehicle is possible.
  • Lane Departure Warning (LDW) uses the same windshield-mounted camera to detect lane markings on the road and alerts the driver if the vehicle is wandering from a detected lane.
  • Front seatbelt e-pretensioners use electronic control to reduce belt tension under normal driving conditions, while also enabling automatic belt tensioning in hard cornering maneuvers or in the event of a collision.
  • Multi-angle rearview camera with dynamic guidelines uses guidelines that reflect steering wheel inputs on the display to aid in backup maneuvers.
  • Capless fueling (an Acura first) eliminates the fuel cap and improves ease of fueling.


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chewychewy - 12/4/2012 10:47:48 PM
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Not Legendairy sucess but it should do better than RL as Acura is realinging its models down a nothc to give the RLX some space. Plus RLX sounds a little bit cooler.


cidflekkencidflekken - 12/4/2012 11:51:18 PM
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The RLX will do well. Acura's current sales figures have proven that the beak isn't as much of a detraction as many would want us to believe. Sure, the sales figures aren't anywhere close to BMW/MB/Lexus, but Acura really doesn't have the full range of models as them, either. Acura really doesn't have the full range of models that Audi and Infiniti, but is handily besting both of them in sales.

The RLX, if marketed and executed right, could really be a sales success. It will not be sabotaged by the TL as it will be drastically different in performance, technology, and more importantly, in size. if all the technology that Acura promises delivers in the way they are intended, the RLX could handily outperform all of its direct competitors and many of those costing much more in terms of acceleration, handling, and fuel economy. Honda/Acura do not seem to be playing scared anymore. They are clearly spending the money in order to make the money. That is a good thing.


chewychewy - 12/5/2012 12:01:48 AM
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The tech is very promising but after the current TL the design is certainly more restrained. The area in the interior below the lowest LCD screen looks like something of out of a minivan and is the weakest area in the interior. The last gen TL was the best looking Acura of all time and the ones after haven't yet regained. It was everything that Acura can and wants to be and sold very well accordingly.


pmrmdpmrmd - 12/5/2012 12:41:34 AM
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Ummmm, this car is invisible to me. I see no difference between a top of the line Acura versus some Kia/Hyundai/China-box. Fail Fail Fail.


Agent00RAgent00R - 12/5/2012 1:04:08 AM
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Honestly, if this is the best Acura can do this company is cooked.

Give me an Equus over this anyday of the week.


daydaydayday - 12/5/2012 3:30:19 AM
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I think the RLX needs to forget sporty and do full luxury.


LexusLexus - 12/5/2012 3:42:20 AM
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This LAME because this dawn thing look very similar to the last generation Honda Accord Sedan and YES I know Honda own Acura and it's it parent company. The only designs different that I see between this and the last Honda Accord Sedan is the "Confusing" headlights and rear taillights.

Sorry Honda but I think I will get a brand new Infiniti M56 or a Lexus GS350 instead.


LexusLexus - 12/5/2012 3:44:02 AM
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The exterior designs is pathetic if you ask me especially, they have all that time to catch up to the competitor. I don't know how it drive but it look very similar to the last generation Honda Accord Sedan.


cidflekkencidflekken - 12/5/2012 5:35:16 AM
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What exactly are you basing your opinion on, 00R? As always, you're solely basing it on subjective design. You haven't even experienced the darn thing yet and you're already digging its grave. If memory serves me correctly, you essentially (and other agents here) did the same exact thing to the TL, and it's still living on and performing very well (not phenomenal, but considering you and others want to paint it as a dead duck from the beginning…) And, no, this isn't the "best" that Acura can do. Don't strain your brain too much to remember that they are not building a $70k+ car here. It's still competing at a relatively reasonable price point and not trying to go head to head with the LS, et al. But, please, go get your Equus.


Agent00RAgent00R - 12/5/2012 9:26:22 AM
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So, what is the BEST Acura can do?

As far as we see it, the first-gen MDX and Legend were the only products this company has produced that were benchmarks at one point. The rest of the lineup are also rans unless the consumer is an Acura/Honda loyalist, or if the buyer is seeking value.

Yes, this is an opinion-based piece on a completely weak product -- on paper and if you have eyeballs -- entering into one of the hottest market places with competitors like the Audi A6, BMW 535i, Hyundai Genesis/Equus, Infiniti M, Jaguar XF, Lexus GS, and the Mercedes-Benz E-Class.

It will have to have an interior like an Audi, perform like a BMW and have status like a Mercedes to win a serious comparison test. Unless Acura can perform a miracle, I don't foresee this happening.

If Acura can move 2,000 units of this a year it will considered a "success."


abqhudsonabqhudson - 12/5/2012 12:10:06 PM
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it will loiter.


cidflekkencidflekken - 12/5/2012 1:14:21 PM
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"Yes, this is an opinion-based piece on a completely weak product -- on paper and if you have eyeballs -- entering into one of the hottest market places with competitors like the Audi A6, BMW 535i, Hyundai Genesis/Equus, Infiniti M, Jaguar XF, Lexus GS, and the Mercedes-Benz E-Class.

It will have to have an interior like an Audi, perform like a BMW and have status like a Mercedes to win a serious comparison test. Unless Acura can perform a miracle, I don't foresee this happening."

Ridiculous comments. On paper, this RLX will make all those mentioned forgotten souls with its technology, if executed correctly and if they perform as promised. As far as styling, the A6 has been widely criticized for its overly conservative take. The E's ponton fender and squared-off roof line has been maligned. The GS is a Mitsubishi Galant in disguise. And the Genesis/Equus, please already. This RLX's styling has no more degree of controversial styling elements than probably any other car in its class, same the 5 Series, maybe. To me, it fits perfectly into this segment. And, say all you want about "the beak", but is that why Acura continues to increase its sales (oh, and crush Audi and Infiniti in the process). Let's not forget that the MDX's sales numbers INCREASED by 52% when Acura added "the beak" to it. The new RDX with "the beak" continues to be a hot seller. The combined sales of the TL and TSX (likely soon to be combined to one model) trounce the sales numbers of the Infiniti G.

And don't you know, 00R, that "comparison tests are stupid". I believe that is one of your direct quotes. Maybe it's 009's. Either way, it's an opinion held here at Anyone-but-Honda-or-Acura-Spies. When's the last time that the Camry won a comparison test? And what is its ranking on the sales charts? Oh, and how many comparisons did the Passat win? And what is its ranking on the sales charts? Outside of the comparisons, I've heard nothing but positive comments about the Acura's interior. And, as stated above, if the car works the way it's being promised, it will perform on-par with, or better than the 5. As far as MB prestige? Even Lexus doesn't have that. To that same point, you cream your jeans over the Genesis/Equus and they don't possess any of these three qualities that you feel are vital for the RLXs success.




Agent00RAgent00R - 12/6/2012 12:19:58 AM
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Crushing Audi? Audi continues to break year-over-year records and gain significant market share. Acura may "crush" it on a volume basis but certainly isn't growing its marketshare at the same rate as Audi.





CarCrazedinCaliCarCrazedinCali - 12/5/2012 1:33:49 PM
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Expectations for Acura are high since they were once a leader in their products and now clearly followers... The tech they are putting in this will help but still seems to fall short of a flagship model imo. They can build jets and Asimo robots and yet their most expensive vehicle has me wondering where the innovation and advancement in the auto industry is, clearly not at Honda... It will sell better than the previous RL I predict but won't win any races against it's competition. Headlights (albeit LEDs which is cool) look unattractive to me, but maybe they look better lit... Bottom line, an improvement, but doubt it's enough and leaves me unexcited and somewhat disappointed... come on Honda, do your best or ________


CarCrazedinCaliCarCrazedinCali - 12/5/2012 4:03:29 PM
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sorry, not impressed with either technologies you mentioned... Besides, steered rear wheels was offered in the 80s or 90s I think and electric motors have been in hybrids for a decade or so now, so how is either innovative?


PUGPROUDPUGPROUD - 12/5/2012 6:26:14 PM
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Much better choices, more prestiage and more heritage at this car's price point...hard to justify picking this over others.


t_bonet_bone - 12/5/2012 7:52:50 PM
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Not going to check in until they drop the beak and issue an apology.


IhavearedS2000IhavearedS2000 - 12/5/2012 9:01:41 PM
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Agent 00R said:

"As far as we see it, the first-gen MDX and Legend were the only products this company has produced that were benchmarks at one point. The rest of the lineup are also rans unless the consumer is an Acura/Honda loyalist, or if the buyer is seeking value."

Wow I know you don't have much respect for Honda/Acura products but way to rewrite history!!

The NSX pretty much changed how all exotic sports cars were made...oh and the Mclaren F1 benchmarked the NSX. The Integra Type R is still considered the best handling FWD car of all time. The last gen TL pretty much wiped the floor with all its competitors.

Acura certainly has not lived up to its history or potential lately, but there are signs - significant and meaningful, that things are changing for the better.


Agent00RAgent00R - 12/6/2012 12:35:37 AM
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I stopped reading after you noted the best handling front-wheel drive car as if that has any meaning, whatsoever.

Essentially what you said is that the Integra Type R is the best handler out of cars that don't handle...

And I'd argue that many would find a MINI Cooper to handle better than your old-school Integra.


Agent009Agent009 - 12/6/2012 10:19:39 AM
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The NSX rewrote the history books how? When it first came out was very good for the price. But in just 4 short years it was at the bottom of the heap performance wise.

Acura released the car and simply let it sit with no substantial revisions or improvements. Of course the competition responded quickly and promptly put it in history books in its rightful place.

An also ran...


IhavearedS2000IhavearedS2000 - 12/6/2012 3:31:39 PM
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As others have mentioned, and something that I thought was common knowledge - at least for most automotive fans of all makes - they way Ferrari makes cars now is due to, in large part, the NSX. As in comfortable, reliable, and driveable. I'd also argue that the NSX type R performance envelop stayed competitive much longer than 4 years. As for the Integra, I'm dumbfounded by your cynicism...pick up a little publication called EVO and see where the Integra type R falls when compared to the all time greats - front, rear, or awd.


Agent009Agent009 - 12/6/2012 8:44:25 PM
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churchmotor how so?

Lets do a quick trip down memory lane shall we? I’ll spare you the year by year details with just a quick recap of acceleration times over the years. It doesn’t really matter what year you pick out the NSX is in last place every year. If you can find the occasional side by side track comparisons in the magazines you see the NSX is always dead last.

1991 Porsche 911 Turbo   0-60 mph 4.8   Quarter mile 13.2
1991 Chevrolet Corvette L98   0-60 mph 5.2   Quarter mile 13.7
1991 Acura NSX 0-60 mph 5.7    Quarter mile 14.2

1995 Porsche 911 Turbo   0-60 mph 3.8   Quarter mile 12.3
1995 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1   0-60 mph 4.8   Quarter mile 12.9
1995 Acura NSX-T    0-60 mph 5.5    Quarter mile 13.5

2002 Porsche 911 GT2   0-60 mph 3.5   Quarter mile 11.8
2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06   0-60 mph 4.0   Quarter mile 12.3
2002 Acura NSX    0-60 mph 4.7    Quarter mile 13.2

Acura's cutting edge was actually pretty dull.


Agent009Agent009 - 12/6/2012 8:48:18 PM
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IhavearedS2000 -
I'll give you the Integra, it was a pretty cool hopped up Honda. (Did i say that?)

But I fail to see where anyone picked up superior technology from the NSX. Please expand upon that with actual examples so we can all be educated.




cidflekkencidflekken - 12/6/2012 4:16:23 AM
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You miss the point, 00R. You declared that Acura only had two benchmarks in the industry. The fact is, Honda, along with VW, set the benchmarks for good-handling FWD cars and not just with the Integra Type R. That may not mean anything to you, but it means alot to an industry that still has a significant portion of its market in FWD cars. Car like the Integra Type-R (and the GTI) helped set the standards for cars like the Ford Focus, Mini Cooper, Mazdaspeed3, etc. Whether FWD cars are "good handlers" relative to RWD cars is irrelevant.

And you also failed to acknowledge the point regarding the NSX. If it weren't for the NSX, exotic/super cars would still be crude and rough-driving and certainly cars like the Audi R8 would never have seen the light of day.


commander104commander104 - 12/6/2012 12:43:47 PM
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My cousin has an Odyssey and an E500, need I say more?


LACMANLACMAN - 12/6/2012 12:53:16 PM
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That 370HP AWD model should be the only one offered for the RLX. The dash needs to be redone but otherwise, I like it. If Cadillac can sell the XTS (Lacrosse/14Impala) then I see no reason Acura cant sell the RLX (based on an extended Accord). The technology is there. They just need some interior design help.


IhavearedS2000IhavearedS2000 - 12/6/2012 3:58:15 PM
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Just to back up my previous posts:

"Back in issue 095, we brought together the 15 greatest front-drive cars of recent times. The Integra was the overall winner. As Meaden concluded, ‘It’s a car as sweet and all-consuming as any I’ve experienced at any price, and as pure and focused in its own way as any Porsche RS. Forget the accolade of greatest front-wheel-drive car. The Integra Type-R ranks as one of the truly great drivers’ cars of any kind."
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/205577/honda_integra.html

Indeed, in 2006, some six years after production of the original Integra Type-R had ceased, evo didn’t hesitate in including it in a test of 15 all-time front-wheel-drive greats, pitting it against the likes of the 205 GTI, Clio Williams, Clio Trophy and Mini GP. And after commending the Type-R for its ‘organic feedback’, ‘tremendous traction’, ‘miraculous’ grip levels and ‘searing pace and total involvement’, we named it the greatest front-wheel-drive performance car ever.
http://www.evo.co.uk/features/features/260035/birth_of_an_icon_honda_integra_typer.html

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To this day, the NSX is still a car that is near and dear to my heart. I put 75,000 Km on my NSX over the course of six or seven years.

It's very difficult to discuss the NSX using current values and sensibilities. When the NSX debuted, the word "supercar" was still a relatively new idea in Europe. There are some who would say the Lamborghini Miura from the late 1960s was the first supercar. However, the truth is the explosion of modern supercars really started at the end of the 1980s.

At the end of the 80s was the time when McLaren Cars was conceiving the idea for the McLaren F1. To that end, I was concentrating on coming up with what I wanted in a road car.

To my thinking, the ideal car is one in which I could get in the driver's seat and be out for a drive in downtown London, and then want to continue straight on to southern France. A car that you can trust, with functional air conditioning, and retains daily drivability. No offset pedals allowed. No high dashboards restricting your view either. Having a low roof hitting your head every time you go over a bump in the name of aerodynamics and styling is out of the question. It is essential that a supercar be a pleasure to drive, and anything detracting from that must be excised.

I started by driving the cars known then as "supercars." The Porsche 959, Bugatti EB110, Ferrari F40, Jaguar XJ220. Unfortunately, none of these fit the pattern of the supercar we were trying to build. What we wanted was a relatively compact, usable driver's car. The Porsche 911 had the usability, but with the engine packed in the back, it had a weakness in its handling stability.

During this time, we were able to visit wi


IhavearedS2000IhavearedS2000 - 12/6/2012 4:04:28 PM
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cont...
During this time, we were able to visit with Ayrton Senna (the late F1 Champion) and Honda's Tochigi Research Center. The visit related to the fact that at the time, McLaren's F1 Grand Prix cars were using Honda engines.

That could be summarized with the words, "The NSX's suspension is amazing."

Both the body and suspension are aluminum, and it probably couldn't be helped that journalists' attention has been focused on praising the aluminum body. However, the suspension is the much more impressive use of aluminum.

It's lightweight, tough, yet compliant. Also contributing to the refined NSX's handling and ride quality are 17 inch wheels and tires that are not overly large. The NSX's suspension is truly an ingenious system, and back then I imagined the development costs must have been enormous. To achieve that unparalleled accuracy and superior ride quality, longitudinal wheel movement is allowed via the use of a compliance pivot.

Read the whole interview below:
http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/garage/157746-gordon-murrary-says-mclaren-f1s-benchmark-nsx.html


IhavearedS2000IhavearedS2000 - 12/6/2012 10:08:02 PM
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Agent009 -

Consider yourself educated...or should I say schooled?


IhavearedS2000IhavearedS2000 - 12/6/2012 10:15:46 PM
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Shall I continue? Sure why not:

"Of course as you know, the engine has only six cylinders; however, the NSX's very rigid chassis is excellent and would easily be capable of handling more power. Although it's true I had thought it would have been better to put a larger engine, the moment I drove the "little" NSX, all the benchmark cars--Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini--I had been using as references in the development of my car vanished from my mind. Of course the car we would create, the McLaren F1, needed to be faster than the NSX, but the NSX's ride quality and handling would become our new design target.
When working on the development of a new car for years, it's easy to be caught in certain pitfalls. When you drive the car under development for testing every day (in truth, I was responsible for two-thirds of the testing for the McLaren F1), in that time, you can unknowingly convince yourself you are making progress when in fact you are not. For example, it's human nature that at the end of a long day you may want to think that your efforts to reduce low speed harshness are working better than they are. It is at times like this when you need a car to compare with. In those situations, the NSX time and again showed us the path in the areas of ride quality and handling, and also helped us recognize when we weren't making as much progress as we thought."


IhavearedS2000IhavearedS2000 - 12/6/2012 10:19:46 PM
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Oh and this little nugget:

"It's lightweight, tough, yet compliant. Also contributing to the refined NSX's handling and ride quality are 17 inch wheels and tires that are not overly large. The NSX's suspension is truly an ingenious system, and back then I imagined the development costs must have been enormous. To achieve that unparalleled accuracy and superior ride quality, longitudinal wheel movement is allowed via the use of a compliance pivot.

Compliance refers to when you travel over a bump, the tire experiences a longitudinal force, which the tire and suspension must move with and absorb the shock. The pivot couples the upper and lower arms. It is connected to the arms via ball joints so that they move as a unit. When encountering input, the pivot rotates, keeping alignment changes to near zero while retaining compliance (see diagram). The inspiration obtained from this NSX suspension system would later influence the development of the McLaren F1's suspension.

The NSX was also the first car to use DBW (Drive By Wire). It felt very pleasing. DBW is when instead of using a mechanical cable, an electronic signal is used to communicate throttle position. It achieved a very natural, linear feeling throttle, and I can now hide my embarrassment and confess that I copied the idea during the development of the McLaren F1 (laughs).
The low-slung NSX's driver's seat position also provided just the right head clearance and an amazing field of view."

and

"Being a fan of Honda engines, I later went to Honda's Tochigi Research Center on two occasions and requested that they consider building for the McLaren F1 a 4.5 liter V10 or V12. I asked, I tried to persuade them, but in the end could not convince them to do it, and the McLaren F1 ended up equipped with a BMW engine.

The NSX's development costs must have been enormous. Everything on it is unique. The chassis, powertrain, even the air conditioning are peerless. That aluminum body was very expensive. The numerous hurdles overcome by the NSX to reach production in areas such as spot welding, corrosion, and repairability make it a monumental work in automotive history. The philosophy of creating a car for human beings is apparent throughout. If it were me, I probably would not have obsessed over the aluminum and would have settled for a steel structure with aluminum panels to try to achieve a similar weight reduction. But what I really want to emphasize is the suspension. It is a a groundbreaking use of aluminum."


IhavearedS2000IhavearedS2000 - 12/6/2012 10:22:14 PM
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And the pièce de résistance:

"The NSX is a landmark car. It awoke not only a lazy Ferrari, but Porsche as well and sparked advances in usability, ergonomics, and handling. It may not have achieved success from a marketing standpoint, but many influential and important people have owned them. The NSX is also unusual in that it continued to be on sale for so long. If I were to looking for that type of car now, I would--without a doubt--gladly own an NSX"


Agent00RAgent00R - 12/7/2012 12:04:15 AM
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Here's the problem with your point -- even a lazy Ferrari, Porsche, and whatever else still blew/blows away your NSX.



cidflekkencidflekken - 12/7/2012 2:27:06 AM
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Amen, Ihaveareds2000. I don't understand why the Agents here feel that "benchmarking" = fastest 0-60 times. Yeah, prior to the NSX, there were many sports cars that could blow away an NSX. No question about that. But no one wanted to live with them. That's what the NSX brought to the table: refinement, sophistication and performance. Then again, these are the same agents who have expertise in changing the facts of their arguments to support their opinions. Months from now, you can almost bet that somewhere, somehow, they will be quoted as saying, "0-60 times aren't important" if the RLX comes out and blows the doors off every 6-cylinder offering in this class.


IhavearedS2000IhavearedS2000 - 12/7/2012 7:20:43 AM
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00R

So I provided you a boat load of information you asked for from very important publications and influential car makers and that is your reply!?

It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong, how small (narrow minded) are you? Your fading into oblivion at this point...LOL


IhavearedS2000IhavearedS2000 - 12/7/2012 2:08:24 PM
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It's hard to refute the contributions of the NSX to the automotive world when the maker of the legendary Mclaren F1 admits to copying Acura's DBW...

Where is the dynamic duo, Agents009/R? Must be a bit embarrassed themselves...

I just hear crickets...

;-)


IhavearedS2000IhavearedS2000 - 1/2/2013 9:06:40 PM
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Thought I forgot about the agents caving in on this thread? Yet another EVO comparison testing the Integra Type R to new RWD cars no less! Guess which one is considered one of THE greats? Yup. Type R.

'Price-wise there is one clear winner, though – the Type-R, because you can pick one up for less than £4000. The fact that I’d be tempted to hand it the win regardless of price just makes it all the more bargainous. But then how do you choose between an E30 M3 and a DC2 Integra Type-R? It’s like being asked who would win in a fight between He-Man and Lion-O from ThunderCats. Impossible, almost disrespectful, to call.

Ultimately, none of these cars will give the sort of easy, almost lazy thrills you can get from just pushing a throttle pedal attached to a big V8 or a 500bhp turbocharged lump. You need to work to get the rewards. And, because it’s really your entire focus, the chassis needs to be sparkling. But when a manufacturer gets it right and one of these cars comes alive down a good bit of road, it is absolutely mesmerising. The Toyota GT86 shows flashes of this, but it’s not quite the complete package yet. We hope, with time, it will join the greats.'

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/287455/toyota_gt86_vs_renault_clio_cup_honda_integra_typer_and_bmw_m3.html


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