Which Is Better? Next Gen Ford Trucks To Have Turbo V6 Motors While GM Stays With The V8

Irrelevant. americans need on-demand pickups no more than they need the ability to fire a gun 30 times without putting in new bullets.

Communities should own all trucks (prefer cleaner hybrid Toyota/Nissan) and allow the trucks to be used on a per-hour basis for projects around the home.

This is the way to a green future.

Your image of Americans is far from the truth. How many pickups are used for construction, maintenance, law care, and other small businesses? In the US we have large expanses of highways, a very small 'urban' footprint when compared to Europe, Japan, and many other parts of the world where a fullsize pickup is no more difficult to live with than a compact car.

Your ideas and needs are not necessarily everyone else's. Stop trying to force what you think people want and need onto everyone else.

And how many pickups in America are just owned by people who take them to the mall and just like driving a truck? A lot.

The V6 engines will increase fuel economy so it is an attractive measure for businesses.

"My Ideas" are in line with climate science. I save the planet, while you are a macho-dummie who uses a truck to impress stupid american sex women.

If americans are too spread out, move closer together. No need for new construction, re-purpose your old buildings, rather than burn them as in Detoilet.

Less than 1% of people NEED a pickup truck, and I am willing to permit there sales if they can show a need to a climate/transport panel. The rest of you will have to find other way to have sex.

You say communities should own "cleaner hybrid Toyota/Nissan" trucks. Rental car companies already offer that sort of service and I currently use it. Also, there are no hybrid toyota/nissan trucks on the market in the US. Comparing fuel mileage for current trucks, a Toyota tacoma v-6 double cab gets the same and sometimes worse mpg than Ford or Ram crew cab models. Not to mention, the toyota will tow less, have less interior space, fewer options, worse ride, and even worse mpg when towing/hauling as compared to their domestic full size counterparts. However, the tacoma is a nice truck and has it's place for those that don't tow/haul much but want an off road capable vehicle that can be parked in a city parking garage. Billing them as cleaner alternatives to domestic trucks is laughable.

With that said, the fact that we don't have small turbo diesel offerings in half ton pickups is a shame. That goes for GM, Ford, Ram, Toyota, and Nissan. The tech is there and we are starting to see it in SUV's (Grand Cherokee). Why not use it in vehicles that are meant for towing, hauling, and highway use? If Ram would use the diesel that they are cramming into the Grand Cherokee, I'd order one tomorrow with every option possible. Would be the perfect vehicle for my family and our activities. 20/28 estimated mpg in the Cherokee.. should be able to get close to that in a truck version.

Also 1CarSmart1, you had a point until you said "move closer together". You say that your ideas are inline with climate science... Well, over crowded urban areas aren't exactly ideal for great air quality. Traffic, power needs, building, etc.. are all concerns with moving close together. Throw in disease, healthcare, and living standards and your solution doesn't seem so simple. Ask any city planner. Re-purpose of old buildings isn't always an answer either. Urban areas are growing in the US just like they are all over the world but fact is, it doesn't matter if you drive a hybrid or 600 hp supercar. They all get zero mpg when sitting in bumper to bumper traffic. Roads, access to goods, etc.. all become a big issue. The world is a diverse place and the energy challenges we face are big. Expecting everyone to live like you is unrealistic and a borderline socialist view on life. Maybe you should start with asking people to do their part instead of degrading them and their way of life. You might learn something.

It appears 1CarSmart1 has taken on the role of resident Autospies troll.

Cities are plagued with rats and cockroaches. Cars contend with rust. Dogs have fleas. Hospitals have staph bacterium. The internet has trolls. Congratulations 1CarSmart1, you must be so proud to hold such a prestigious role within the Autospies community.

In the US, the average residential consumer buys a large truck/SUV for the purpose of driving one - not for any reasonable necessity. Most consumers could live with a vehicle 1-2 categories smaller than what they currently drive. We are constantly over-marketed to buy something that is maybe too big, too expensive than what we really need.

To be honest, I appreciate the V8, whether it's in a truck/SUV/CUV or luxury sedan or coupe. The V8 is "king" in capable, on-demand versatility but also an expected option for any luxury offering. I am absolutely swayed to the GM trucks b/c they offer V8s. But I do understand that the Ford EcoBoost V6 is just as capable and very fuel efficient - comparable to the current entry-level V8. So, when I opt for today's V8, it better have at least 400hp/400lb-ft torque or more.

1CarSmart1, What kind of world do you live in? Have you ever been to the the upper half of North America? Not everybody here lives in an appartment or in a down town city.

We are a country of excess. Nobody needs 850lb/ft torque in a 3/5 ton pickup, that more than light duty heavy trucks like the F-650 of GM 8500's both which use the same Cummins ISB 6.7 as the Ram by the way, but are tuned down to about 285hp. As for half tons, a nice 3.0l-3.5l diesel with 400lb/ft torque is more than adequate. Look at the Mercedes Sprinter, less than 200hp and just over 300lb/ft torque and can easily average a combined fuel economy of 25-28 mpg and performs comparably to a Ford econoline, which is bigger and much heavier but can't haul as much weight and has less cargo room. Car and Driver averaged 28mpg in a sprinter RV conversion vehicle, which is much bigger, wider and heavier than s regular sprinter. We need 300hp in all of our family cars, we need Half tons with 38 inch tires, 8 inch suspension lifts and 9 mpg, when that vehicle is no more capable than a stock Land Rover Discovery II TDI that gets well over 20 mpg and will annihilate any one of those trucks on uneven terrain where it will end up spinning one front and one back tire when the suspension tries to flex. There is no need for a 400hp half ton pickup. You want fast, get a sports car. a Small diesel would be more than Ideal. In the 90's 245hp from the tundra and Ram 5.9 magnum V8 was more powerful than Ford and GM and could easily get 0-60 in under 9 sec. We are so wasteful and excessive.

Not so sure it's excess but its really a lack of offerings. People have been asking for a half ton diesel for decades. The HP wars between the domestics is ridiculous. Let the rednecks that want to drag race their trucks build it themselves. The real world people would respond to diesel half ton very well. Would take a huge chunk out of the 3/4 ton trucks on the road and probably bring a lot of new customers. Would also probably help their overall fleet mpg's.

@trmckin very well put. Wish I could boost you more than once.

85bmw and trmckin are very smart and I agree with them!!! They are either SmartEuros or the 1% of americans who are not wasteful hillbillys compensating for undersized penises!

I drive a Land Rover Discovery II and it is a gas hog, but I work in the oilfield, and at the time, my job required me to use my personal vehicle, so I had to have a 4wd. It was the first vehicle I owned that wasn't a car. But I drive my trusty old e30 325 to work and for most commuting to save gas, and because that car is a blast to drive.

stick to V8s

1CarSmart1, recognize the response from a lot of truck lovers. Some of them really need a truck, some, like me, did need a truck but have hung on to them, and, unfortunately, some simply find that their manhood is linked to a pickup truck. That is indeed the peril we face. If we were more caring of our future generations in this country we would be way more careful with our diminishing fuel resources and not drive gas guzzling land barges if we did not need them. Forgive me, I am being judgmental, and I hear incoming ...

You are a good thinker HighDesert. You and I win this argument.

Boo Climate Change!