Does the Fourth-Generation Lexus LS 460 Flagship Sedan Redefine the Full-Size Luxury Segment?

Does the Fourth-Generation Lexus LS 460 Flagship Sedan Redefine the Full-Size Luxury Segment?
Fourth-Generation Lexus LS 460 Flagship Sedan Redefines Full-Size Luxury Segment

August 15, 2006 – Torrance, CA - Lexus has revealed the all-new 2007 LS 460 and the LS 460 L, the company's first-ever long-wheelbase model. The fourth-generation LS blends new levels of performance, sophistication, contemporary styling, and luxury refinements while redefining the full-size luxury-sedan segment.

"The first LS that debuted in 1989 set new standards in luxury and refinement, and the new LS 460 continues that heritage," said Bob Carter, Lexus Division group vice president and general manager. "This vehicle required novel approaches in craftsmanship, innovative styling and pioneering production processes in order to deliver unmatched refinement and elegance."

Distinctive Design Relationship

With the launch of the all-new LS, Lexus has adopted the new styling philosophy known as L-finesse across its entire sedan line-up. Fusing incisive simplicity and intriguing elegance, the design posture that began with the new GS luxury sport sedan has now sculpted the IS sport sedan, ES luxury sedan and the flagship LS.

With the all-new LS, Lexus elevated this philosophy. The exterior conveys greater prominence and strength, with a sense of quality and dignity befitting its position as Lexus' premier flagship model.

Styled at Toyota's Global Design center in Tokyo, the LS uses complex lines and surfaces throughout the body. The vehicle not only portrays power but also an image of increasing speed. Minimal body gaps, a low front grille and deep drawn fenders all contribute to this look.

One of the defining elements of the LS 460's appearance is the vehicle's headlamps. The LS engineers wanted the projector-type xenon front lights to have thick walled lenses with crystal-like properties. To better understand the properties of a "crystal" lens the Chief Engineer and his team made a headlamp lens out of crystal. Data was gathered on everything from transparency and the refractive index of light, to surface roughness. Based on the resulting data a new lens was molded and hand polished to reproduce the inherent look of crystal. In addition, the new headlamps reach 30-60 feet further than the lamps used on the previous generation LS.

An interior cabin focused on spaciousness was created for the new LS to delicately wrap around its occupants. This passenger-focused space has dual elements of stability and security in the lower half while keeping a sense of expansion and openness in the upper cabin. All passenger touchpoints were softened to create a relaxed atmosphere, with additional stitching for a richer look. Center console layout was designed to achieve perfect angles for elemental ease of operation from either the driver's or passenger's seat; it is arranged at the same height as the door armrests for a comfortable balance. Additional standard wood and chrome trim has been adopted as well as refinements to the interior lighting to create a welcoming atmosphere.

To compliment the interior and exterior styling, special attention was given to the paint. To prepare the exterior body surface for paint, buffing robots are used. In the past, the robots moved only in two directions, up and down. For the LS, six-axis buffing robots with three-dimensional movements were built so that curved surfaces and ends can be polished as well. Six months were spent in developing the robots' control logic to achieve the right amount of buffing force and oscillation.

Once the body has been smoothed, the painting process begins. During the application of alternating layers of paint and coatings, each LS will be hand-sanded twice. This smoothes and refines the painted surfaces and enhances the deep, mirror-like quality of the finish.

A revolutionary production process was created, enhancing what was already widely recognized as the industry's finest, in order to build a vehicle that would redefine craftsmanship. The new LS 460 and LS 460 L are the product of an all-new build process developed specifically for the LS line at the award-winning Tahara, Japan plant.

Extraordinary new levels of fit, finish, accuracy and refinement were created by combining the skill and knowledge with advanced technology. The all-new LS sedans showcase the Lexus belief that every element and phase of production is vital to the artistic evolution of an automobile.

World's First Eight-Speed Automatic Transmission; New High Output V8

In order to achieve the combination of acceleration performance and excellent fuel consumption, an all-new 4.6-liter V8 engine mated to the world's first eight-speed automatic transmission will power the new LS. Producing 380 horsepower and 367 pound-feet of torque, the innovative V8—Lexus' first all-new V8 engine since the brand's launch—features the world's first electric-motor driven Variable Valve Timing with intelligence and Electronically controlled intake cam (VVT-iE). The dual VVT-i combination of electrically controlled intake and hydraulically controlled exhaust achieves superior engine-startup operation and high-output performance.

A dual fuel-injection system, with both port and direct injection, sends an optimal air-fuel mixture to the combustion chamber, increasing efficiency. The dual-pipe intake system and an Acoustic Control Induction System (ACIS) ensure the proper amount of intake airflow to support increased engine power, with no variation among the cylinders. Maximized engine performance and efficiency also demanded a reduction in exhaust interference. This is achieved via a semi-dual exhaust manifold that carries the exhaust gas in a smoother, more economical fashion.

The new 4.6-liter V8 achieves new levels of rotational balance and reduced friction. A mirror-like finish is polished on specific areas of the crankshaft to minimize the friction generated between the pistons and the crankshaft. In the final assembly stage, a motor cranks the engine to check for any vibration; after assembly, an accelerometer is mounted to the front and rear of the crankshaft to measure any rotational difference. The adoption of direct-injection noise reduction via urethane insulators, with a master technician implementing a final vibration and sound check on each engine in the final phase, has created superior levels of NVH reduction.

In order to fully utilize the engine performance while achieving the smooth acceleration worthy of Lexus' flagship luxury sedan, the world's first eight-speed automatic transmission was created for the new LS. This allows gear ratios that generate torque up to the tire-grip limitations on the low end yet maintain quietness and fuel economy on the high end. A new transmission-control system was developed in order to simultaneously release and connect the clutches involved when up shifting and negate gearshift shock.

The LS 460 will travel from 0-to-60 miles per hour in approximately 5.4 seconds. With that level of performance, the new LS is estimated at 19 mpg city and 27 mpg highway by the EPA testing method. Lexus is targeting an Ultra-Low Emissions Vehicle II (ULEV II) rating for the LS.

Confident Driving Performance; Superior Ride Comfort

The new LS achieves a superior level of ride comfort independent of the harshness of the road conditions, and a confident drive performance with new innovations in body structure, steering and suspension.

The LS is built on a sophisticated new platform that maintains a delicate balance between ride comfort and responsive handling, utilizing the abundant powertrain output with smooth acceleration. This is accomplished via a new production-control network that can trace the precision of the body and subassembly based on the design data. All completed vehicles off the line are purpose driven by a skilled test driver to confirm riding comfort and steering response.

A front and rear multi-link suspension system with superior adaptability to unevenness in road surfaces was adopted on the LS. Optional external cylinder-restriction air springs were developed to smoothly absorb shock, achieving ride comfort without roll sensation or vibration due to road conditions. An optional all-new air suspension control system achieves superb vehicle posture and stable driving performance with minimal pitching and rolling. The LS comes with standard 18-inch, nine-spoke aluminum alloy wheels and all-season tires.

The LS 460's newly developed Electric Power Steering (EPS) incorporates a large output brushless motor with improved precision of the reduction gear, increased motor-driving voltage and efficiency of the controller. It offers a smooth steering feel that supports the adoption of the multi-link suspension and large-diameter tires. The EPS motor power was increased to create a steering feel that responds to the driver's touch and provides a responsive feel when cornering.

Integrated into the steering-gear housing on vehicles with the air-suspension option, Variable Gear Ratio Steering (VGRS) optimizes the steering-gear ratio according to vehicle speed to help enhance responsiveness and driver control. VGRS also partners with a next-generation Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) system, making minor adjustments to front-wheel angle for improved control in challenging road conditions.

The LS features a lightweight body that has a strong resistance to torsion, contributing to the sedan's performance and fuel economy. It was designed to provide a comfortable space without generating or transmitting vibration. In order to achieve a body structure that contributes to the driving performance, spot welds in the door corner areas were increased and laser welding was implemented for reinforcement, increasing the body's strength against torsion. In order to confirm and guarantee precision at each step of the process, an innovative production-control measurement system verifies each measurement with the design data, creating a body constructed without unnecessary gaps.

Advanced Active/Passive Safety Technologies Act As One In an effort to create a more intelligent vehicle, Lexus has combined advanced active and passive safety technology into one integrated system. This achieves rapid response that helps predict situations and implement actions, which will help to assist the driver and passengers at an even higher level.

Among the new active features on the LS is the next generation Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) stability system, which integrates and manages a new Electronically Controlled Brake (ECB) system, Electronic Power Steering (EPS), Vehicle Stability Control (VSC), Antilock Braking System (ABS), Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD) and engine torque via the electronically controlled throttle. Monitoring a variety of sensors, the system anticipates the onset of a vehicle skid or slide while cornering and then helps correct the situation with a combination of braking, throttle and steering control in a way that is essentially transparent to the driver. The new VDIM system gathers data from more sources, processed earlier and faster than in previous designs, which helps make the system even more seamless and effective. VSC can also be turned off by the driver via the Trac Off button.

Overall, there are eight standard airbags, with maximum of eleven airbags with option packages.

Enhanced Tranquility

The first generation LS set new standards in cabin tranquility, and the new fourth generation continues the heritage of this flagship luxury sedan. As noise can be reduced by suppressing vibration, advanced analysis was used to source unwanted vibrations, and a body structure was created to generate counter vibrations, thus canceling out the unwanted noise.

The interior cabin of the LS demanded not only exceptional silence, but the quality of the sounds had to be pleasing to the occupants. Extensive study was done to ensure the sound emanating from the doors when opening and closing had a sense of luxury reminiscent of skillfully crafted wood doors in a home.

The LS also features a number of power functions to create a sense of hospitality, yet the sheer number of motors could have decreased the pleasant surroundings of the hushed cabin. This was minimized by targeting an optimized tone from each motor and achieving the objective via high-precision assembly parts and processes. One example is new one-touch power window motors that reduce speed near their closure to lower noise and create a more pleasant sound.

Luxury Redefined with Unique Hospitality

The new LS approaches comfort and convenience from a new angle, redefining luxury. This was accomplished with an ideal mix of technology and evocative design, creating an experience of welcoming hospitality that makes passengers feel like they are traveling in a private jet.

The long-wheelbase LS 460 L brings with it 4.8 inches of additional space and a long list of outstanding standard conveniences, including Gen 5 Lexus Navigation with XM factory-installed satellite radio with real-time traffic, climate-controlled front seats, heated rear seats, a new heated steering wheel, power rear sunshade, a new one-touch open/close power trunk, power door closers, headlamp washers, and laminated side glass, which is exclusive to the long wheelbase.

The Luxury Package includes upgraded semi-aniline leather with leather trim door armrests, an ecsaine headliner, power rear seats with power and memory headrests, rear climate-controlled seats, and rear side-impact airbags.

A Rear Seat Upgrade package features dual-zone rear air conditioning with air purifier and additional rear air ducts, added wood trim, rear cool box, rear power-door sunshades, and rear audio controls.

A sport-tuned air suspension highlights the Touring Package, which incorporates 19-inch five-spoke wheels and summer tires, Variable Gear Ratio Steering (VGRS), and high-friction-coefficient brake pads with larger rotors.

The Executive Class Seating Package includes a rear-seat entertainment system featuring the world's first ceiling-mounted 3.0 VGA high-quality display with a nine-inch screen, which operates with an electronic-motor open/close function. In addition, a four-zone independent front and rear A/C with air purification and the world's first ceiling climate diffusers, rear-door power sunshades with a fixed rear console and foldout table, and a right rear-seat recliner with ottoman leg rest. A multi-function massage feature includes an enhanced massage mode for the right-rear seat. Created through the use of eight small airbags operated by a compressor in the trunk, it can be used separately or in conjunction with the seat heater and cooler.

While the standard rear seat has a built-in 28-degree angle, the available ottoman seat reclines up to 45 degrees with Lexus' first upper-back recliner featuring a 17-degree angle adjustment. In addition, the available left-rear power seat also reclines 38 degrees, and the rear seat moves front to back approximately three inches. The climate control is further upgraded with three infrared sensors located in the headliner that measure the lap, upper body and seat on each side and then adjust airflow appropriately.

The LS steering wheel was designed to achieve unprecedented feel, comfort and a luxurious image. Genuine leather trim is buffed twice the norm to create a supple touch; water-based dye is utilized for a more natural feel. A whip-stitch pattern is incorporated to ensure a smooth wheel without any unevenness or jumps in the stitch. In addition, Lexus created a revolutionary new steering-wheel heating mechanism to provide warmth the moment the button is pressed with no variation in temperature regardless of where the wheel is gripped.

The new Navigation system includes a hard disk drive (HDD) for faster calculations and the Bluetooth® technology features voice input of telephone numbers while driving. The HDD computer hard drive dedicates a portion of its capacity for navigation when equipped with the Mark Levinson® system to store as many as 2,000 digital songs. An auxiliary jack located in the front center console allows for iPod or MP3/WMA capable digital music players while a new specially developed 19-speaker Mark Levinson® Reference Surround sound audio system is available, creating a new benchmark for automotive sound systems with its theater-level entertainment experience.

The all-new LS sedans offer the Advanced Parking Guidance System (APGS) as an option to assist with parallel and back-in parking. Once the driver has correctly positioned the car and identified the desired parking spot via the Nav screen, APGS utilizes the back-up camera and the parking sonar sensors and electric power steering system to automatically guide the car into the spot, while the driver controls speed via braking.

The new LS includes an intelligent Adaptive Front lighting System (AFS), which allows both the inbound and outbound headlights to swivel in the direction of a turn. A new automatic electric parking brake system, which eliminates the chore of pressing a foot-operated pedal, is standard for added comfort and convenience.

The 2007 Lexus LS 460 and LS 460 L, which go on sale in October 2006, will represent a strong value in their segments with dynamic styling, advanced technologies, increased size, and improved performance and craftsmanship

chewychewy - 8/15/2006 5:35:50 PM
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It is definately a competitor, Lexus has truly upped their design, technology with their newest models.


chewychewy - 8/15/2006 5:42:19 PM
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BTW, that is a very fancy and advanced engine, I would have to say that it is the best engine available right now. Amazing fuel economy. Of course the 8 speed gearbox helps with that.


LexusLexus - 8/15/2006 6:09:34 PM
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This new Lexus LS460 is definitely beaufitul.. but the Lexus LS600h L is the one their competitor need to worry about. The LS600h L has 440 hp 8 speed and triple zeon light. The LS600h L definitely has one of the nicest headlight out there.

Lexus


MB3494MB3494 - 8/15/2006 6:46:08 PM
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Sure this has alot of tech but it will never compare with BMW and Mercedes' handling and solidity


DrCallosumDrCallosum - 8/15/2006 7:09:29 PM
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Does anyone else look at the black interior and think yuck cause in those pictures i dont see top of the line luxury it almost looks a bit honda accordish just my opinion but it doesnt looks nice.... i think bmw do the stark black cabin alot nicer because they incorparate lighter wood and alot more chrome and silver to lighten certain areas up of the car.. lexus have just gone with discusting dark maybach wood and well in my opinion i dont like it all.... interior - below par


RupertRupert - 8/15/2006 7:09:51 PM
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long wheel base eh?
i'm interested....
and an ottoman seat, but why only on one side?

i'm starting to think this is even more luxurious than the s class.
omg i love the interior.
i don't care about the performance, these cars aren't for driving hard.
but still, a 4.6 is quicker than the 5.5 from m-b.
lexus has finally done it.
they have made a car that i want.
Go Lexus!
the perfect car?
maybe.


oh damn does this make me a lexus fan?
this is the only model i like.


Designer1Designer1 - 8/15/2006 7:25:43 PM
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lool here we go again, comparing Audi's w12 (that's 12 cylinders) against a V8. Guys, get me a German 4.3 V8, or 4.6 V8 that produces such power, and NOT a tuned engine, a stock engine just like the Lexus's, THEN compare. :-) I think that way we can know for real who's better and it would be a fair comparison.


LexusKindaGuy12LexusKindaGuy12 - 8/15/2006 7:29:40 PM
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lol actually the lexus hybrid will have the worlds first LED headlights, not audi. Also...LEXUS (USER) the hybrid will have a CVT dual stage transmission, not an 8 speed.


jeffgalljeffgall - 8/15/2006 9:07:50 PM
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it would seem that Lexus has again managed to copy the designs of the previous generation Mercedes S Class.


LexusKindaGuy12LexusKindaGuy12 - 8/15/2006 9:15:37 PM
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im sorry but what part exactly looks like a copy of any version of any european car? the headlights? no...they dont curve like mercedes's, audi? bmw? no part of it. and a car is suppose to look like a car...you cant really change much of it can you? all of them have doors, headlights, and four wheels.


mstangpny07mstangpny07 - 8/15/2006 10:46:08 PM
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I am not a total Lexus hater, (some of 'em aren't bad at all, like the RX or IS), but the interior of this thing looks like crap. It has that Toyota wood that looks terrible, and the plastic may feel nice, but sorry to say Lexus, but it looks very cheap. Also, the interior looks slightly loosely assembled. I know that Mercedes or BMW will give me much better materials and a better fit and finish.The LS may have all these cool gadgets, but Lexus (in general) needs to bring up the interior way up to German standards, and stiffen the ride while they're at it. (Except for the ES; that's and old folks car). Same for Toyota.
One last note, I think compainies have the wrong ideas about electic parking brakes. A lot of people want the security of pulling up on a handle, and actually feel the park brake go up. This is good to know if your on a steep incline, or if the brakes for some reason fail. I can see the space saving, but I don't think it makes up for it.

I'm done.


LexusKindaGuy12LexusKindaGuy12 - 8/16/2006 12:26:10 AM
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lol yes *applauses*

The normal LS460 is suppose to get mileage in the high 20's according to lexus so i cant wait to hear what the hybrid gets. Whats funny to me is that normally, like the GS hybrid, they stick the regular weak engine of the GS300 and add in the electric motor. In the LS however, it has a totally different engine than the LS460...i find that a little over done.

the interior i think is great. Not following those germans aka mercedes who decided to copy bmw with the layout of the dash. And who needs those deep menues from bmw/merc/audi that require some sort of remote. lexus keeps it simple and they are praised for it. I also believe this LS is the only car in this segment with real time traffic display. Overall, i think its hard to tell the fit and finish from pictures. you gotta see it in person and examine the quality. personally, i think the layout is great. the rear seat package however is a little over doing it dont you think?


chewychewy - 8/16/2006 1:01:49 AM
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LexusKindaGuy12
The interior is a bit below IMO (the front part of the cabin)maybe the pictures don't really show the quality of materials but from the pictures they look a bit cheaper. If you read the press release carefully you wil find out the fuel economy for the LS460. It is very good, like I have said the engine is probably the best non high performance (it is powerful but not "high perfomrance" because it is intended for a pretty subdued vehicle) engine that is availbale from any manufacturer.


LexusKindaGuy12LexusKindaGuy12 - 8/16/2006 2:29:36 AM
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was that an insult or a compliment...? lol

we all just have to wait for the big unveiling. Im sure if the cost stays near 60K, they will have a hard time keeping these on the lexus lots. heck, a decked out one will cost right next to the base S550. and if you watched the video from Edmunds on the Spy shots page, even they say that you can get the best of both worlds in this car...lol...a little cliche, but it works!


chewychewy - 8/16/2006 3:58:22 AM
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LexusKindaGuy12

It will be around 70k, the more I see the interior the less I like it. BUt it does have a good combination of technology, style and quality.


OBSERVER1984OBSERVER1984 - 8/16/2006 7:02:01 AM
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New Lexus LS460 is wonderful but Lexus LS600h L, will be GREAT!
German automagazine Autobild made a comperison between LS460 and S-Class and guess!?!
They admited that new Lexus is best limousene right now.
New Lexus LS600h L will be best limousine ever up to now!!!


LexloverLexlover - 8/16/2006 10:04:15 AM
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Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet


iown1iown1 - 8/16/2006 10:11:35 AM
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I think its a handsome car. Autocar was less impressed. "The world's most grown up Toyota", "fails subjectively."


phantom330phantom330 - 8/16/2006 10:34:19 AM
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I like it, looks good......although it looks VERY similar to a 7 series.


SixxFiveSixxFive - 8/16/2006 11:22:33 AM
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Autobild featured an article last week between the LS460 and the S-Class. They gave high marks to the Lexus but declared the S-Class the winner.


PlanoA4PlanoA4 - 8/16/2006 12:37:59 PM
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It redefines the Lexus benchmark, but there are others way ahead.


DaveDave - 8/16/2006 1:26:18 PM
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I'm sure all the Lexus haters are going to have their comments on how bad Lexus is and etc.......

First of all, all the people that say the interior of LS460 looks cheap and crappy, most likely have not even sat in the car yet. We all have experiences where a car we saw in pictures looked totally different(better) in person. And this is no exception.
When you read in detail about the EXTREME amount of attention to little things that went into creating this car, you really have to appreciate Lexus's efforts.
I mean things like, "For the LS, six-axis buffing robots with three-dimensional movements were built so that curved surfaces and ends can be polished as well. Six months were spent in developing the robots' control logic to achieve the right amount of buffing force and oscillation." And also, "A mirror-like finish is polished on specific areas of the crankshaft to minimize the friction generated between the pistons and the crankshaft. In the final assembly stage, a motor cranks the engine to check for any vibration; after assembly, an accelerometer is mounted to the front and rear of the crankshaft to measure any rotational difference. The adoption of direct-injection noise reduction via urethane insulators, with a master technician implementing a final vibration and sound check on each engine in the final phase, has created superior levels of NVH reduction."

Unlike a typical Lexus hater, I respect the German car companies, especially BMW and give them credit where it's necessary. The Lexus haters can say all the negative(opinionated as it may be) things they want. But one simply can't ignore the intense efforts Lexus has put into making the new LS460 the new standard in the world of luxury cars. I can't wait to see and sit in the real thing when it hits the showrooms. It does all trace back to the amazing amount of work Lexus put into the original LS400 back in 1989. The Japanese's(whether it's Honda or Toyota) extreme attention to detail in their work shows in the bulletproof quality of their products.


JCF110JCF110 - 8/16/2006 5:09:00 PM
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Who in their right mind is going to buy this overpriced big, clunky, and ugly Toyota Camry!


BM3WBM3W - 8/16/2006 5:19:39 PM
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Redefine the Full-Size Luxury Segment.....

I don't think so. That belongs to Mercedes S-Class.


M53RM53R - 8/17/2006 4:29:23 AM
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Y does this car have so many buttons? Simply use an idrive!!!


vcowmanvcowman - 8/17/2006 10:54:29 AM
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Saw this car in person. Looks like a longer, fatter es330. Although I am a BMV owner I have much respect for the LS430 but this car looks like a joke.


vcowmanvcowman - 8/17/2006 11:03:14 AM
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Looks like Ricemaster is getting an arranged marriage.


SSP350SSP350 - 8/17/2006 12:27:02 PM
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BM3W,
Give us some reasons why the S-Class should be the one that re-define luxury? When all they improved was "Night Vision" and some other things, but apparently, it was nothing significant that Autospies would talk about.


LexloverLexlover - 8/17/2006 2:40:21 PM
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Jcf110 If any thing it is built of a avalon and I noticed the BMW symble why would you pay for a over priced Mini Cooper LoL


LexusKindaGuy12LexusKindaGuy12 - 8/17/2006 2:53:55 PM
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actually, its built in its own wheelbase, obviously becuse what would they do with the 460L. i still cant decide if i like the back but some things you have to see in person and some things just grow on you. I was unsure about the new S class for some time as well but now i drop my jaw when i see it. this looks like a very good candidate for a next car. Except i read somewhere that lexus predicts that only 30% of buyers will want the L version...but im not settling for the regular


EL34EL34 - 8/17/2006 7:38:31 PM
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This new ToyLex LS looks just like an insect just like all the rest of the ToyLex line of cars.

Sorry.


michael_euro1michael_euro1 - 8/17/2006 9:48:38 PM
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Lexus will never redefine anything...ESPECIALLY the Full Size Luxury Sedan segment. That honour belongs to the new S-Class and even to some extent to the 7 Series (whose controversial styling and technology all those years ago really did change the way people viewed the segment). Lexus fans stop dreaming, Lexus and true innovation are mutually exclusive terms.


SSP350SSP350 - 8/17/2006 11:00:49 PM
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michael euro1,
Just because the S-Class was around longer than Lexus have, doesn't mean that the S Class is the way to go? SAme goes for the 7 Series. Especially now, that the S-Class is following design cues from the 'big brother' Mayback. Hows that for innovation? I'm not a big Lexus fan, but I must give credit where credit is due. They've come a long way for only been around for 17 years and yet they've managed to create and design cars that outsold a lot of automakers. And don't give me the bull crap that they stole designs off of MB or BMW because if that were true, then they'd all look like insects (re: EL34). All you Pro-Germans need to stop being bias and only criticize where critiqueing is would make sense. If you don't like a body styling of a car then just say it. Lets face it, if you like one luxury car and lets just say that the rest of the 5 makers were building cars just the same, wouldn't it rubbed off on you at least liking it a little bit because it carrys the same stance? In which case, if you don't, then you're just being prejudice against the maker. Which happens to be doing really good business right now. Nobody on this website hates BMW or MB like the Pro-Germans hate Lexus. If one doesn't like, its just simply..its an 'OK' car. Or maybe Lexus just build better quality cars and it shows, no matter how it rides or feel.


LexusKindaGuy12LexusKindaGuy12 - 8/18/2006 1:00:22 AM
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whoa, that was a great speech. Loved it and support it 100 percent. I agree that most of these people are just plain prejudice and wont open their eyes. Its like everyone is asian all of a sudden. lol (its okay, im asian i can say things like that) Anyways, if you guys were men (and woman) of honor (maybe wrong word), then you guys should be able to admit when something is good with an honest opinion. the times have changed, its not just the Europeans who make good cars.


LexusKindaGuy12LexusKindaGuy12 - 8/18/2006 1:01:05 AM
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edit: amke that men of "integrity"


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