577 Horsepower, 3.9 Seconds To 60 And MUCH, MUCH More From The 2014 Mercedes S63 AMG

Why is it hard to believe that the S63 AMG goes 0-60 mph in 3.9 seconds? The Audi S8 went 0-60 mph in 3.5 SECONDS when it was tested by Motor Trend:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1210_2013_audi_s8_first_test/viewall.html

The S8 blasted throught the quarter-mile in 11.8 seconds at 118.3 mph. It remains to be seen whether the S63 AMG 4Matic can match or best the S8's numbers.

The Audi S8 is also ultra-luxurious on the inside with leather everywhere, amazing wood trim and technology galore.

I'm eager to see what is this "MUCH, MUCH MORE" that you claim 00R.

This car is a friggin' beast. I do wish the styling was a bit more expressive for the AMG, but the front fascia was tastefully done vs. being too audacious.

Checkmate - fantastic. I saw one on the road today. Beautiful and classy. Audi and BMW back to drawing board. I am BMW fan that do not like Benz very much but this is CLASS. When you see one on the road you will know what I am taking about.

Here is Motor Trend taking the Audi S8 on a 3.5 sec sprint to 60 mph (faster than a Ferrari FF, BMW M5, Lexus LFA, Mercedes SLS GT)... and then around a track.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf01C7Wpppg

After comoaring the S8 to the BMW Alpina B7, Motor Trend put the S8 on a dyno to discover that the S8's engine was actually 575 HP and 506 ft lb torque... instead of Audi's claim of 520 HP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT0r6xQJU_4

Car and Driver tested the S8 at 3.6 seconds to 60 mph. Will the Mercedes sprint faster than its rated 3.9 seconds? We don't know yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=672HAOq5678

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-audi-s8-test-review

satriani and german nut .... the difference between the S8 and Mercedes is everything. The Mercedes S63 is and exudes luxury and style. The S8 is sporty but nowhere near the same panache as the Mercedes. The Mercedes S-class outsells the Audi A8 almost 3 to 1

BMW4me4ever: The difference is "everything"???

The difference between your uninformed comment and an informed comment is 'everything'.

I doubt if you have seen the new S Class in real life... much less sat in an S-class or driven the new S-Class. Seeing a few photos on the internet is different from seeing and being inside the real thing. Nor do you understand what luxury or panache is, so stop pretending as if you do. [Everytime I visit Germany, I'm in an S-Class the moment I'm ferried from my plane to Luftansa's first class lounges which have amazing coffee machines and over 20 different single-malt whiskies at the bar.]

BMW4me4ever: "The Mercedes S-class outsells the Audi A8 almost 3 to 1"

That's nonsense. Why do you keep exaggerating based on BS? Is this typcal of BMW salespeople?

Fact: In Germany, the Audi A8 outsells the S-Class -- the Germans know more about these German luxury cars than Americans or anyone else, so why are they buying the A8 when the new S-Class has been available in recent months?

In Germany, here are the sales figures for June 2013

- Mercedes S Class: 94

- Audi A8: 238

- BMW 7 Series: 202

In Germany here are the sales figures for Jthe six months Jan to June 2013:

- Mercedes S Class: 1,381

- Audi A8: 1,676

- BMW 7 Series: 1,639

Source: Germany Federal Transport Authority (PDF file)
http://tinyurl.com/op6uzer

satriani ... obviously you only quote things that benefit your argument. What is the worldwide sales figures of the S-class compared to the A8? In the US, which is the largest market by the way, the A8 is consistently outsold by a wide margin vs the S-class. The A8 is new whereas the S-class is a 7 year old car. And since you love stats here are the stats to back it up....

http://www.autospies.com/news/Audi-Sales-Continue-To-March-Forward-With-An-8-2-Jump-In-June-76901/

3099 ytd in the US for the A8 ... 557 in the month of June. average only 516 cars a month in the US

http://www.autospies.com/news/Mercedes-Benz-Rolls-Forward-In-June-With-A-10-4-Jump-In-Sales-76910/

S-class sales of 6,211 in the US for an 7-year old car. 1035 average per month which means the S-class outsells the A8 by a 2 to 1 margin. If we take the worldwide figure, I bet it is just a tad more than 2 to 1.

Is this the kind of lackluster and thorough information that audi fans use to quote and argue their point. I do expect more. Face it the A8 is outsold by both of the other German competitors even though they are ALOT more expensive and a lot older bodystyles ...

BMW4Me4Ever, you are just sad that 0-60 mph in 3.9 seconds for the S63 AMG is not the best thing in the world because Satriani1 and I proved to you that the Audi S8 went 0-60 in 3.5 and 3.6 seconds when tested by Motor Trend and Car and Driver, respectively.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1210_2013_audi_s8_first_test/viewall.html

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-audi-s8-test-review

BMW4me4ever needs to resort to going off-topic by discussing sales figures of the Audi A8 vs. Mercedes-Benz S-class when I and Satriani1 specifically questioned Agent00R's claim that, "It's hard to believe that the 2014 Mercedes-Benz will be able to do a sprint to 60 in 3.9 seconds but when you have a monster V8 producing 577 horsepower, I guess it is pretty reasonable."

We're clearly discussing performance figures here, there is no need to bring in sales figures, BMW4me4ever.

I love the S-class about driving and having seen the new version. Well you have me there as I haven't personally seen the new S-class, as it hasn't arrived Stateside yet. Yet even the current version has more panache ( to help you out means = a grand or flamboyant manner; verve; style; flair ) ... None of which the Audi A8 offers.

German apparently you do not read well. Satriani is clearly arguing his point that the A8 outsells the Mercedes S-class.

Fact: In Germany, the Audi A8 outsells the S-Class -- the Germans know more about these German luxury cars than Americans or anyone else, so why are they buying the A8 when the new S-Class has been available in recent months?

In Germany, here are the sales figures for June 2013

- Mercedes S Class: 94

- Audi A8: 238

- BMW 7 Series: 202

In Germany here are the sales figures for Jthe six months Jan to June 2013:

- Mercedes S Class: 1,381

- Audi A8: 1,676

- BMW 7 Series: 1,639

Source: Germany Federal Transport Authority (PDF file)
http://tinyurl.com/op6uzer
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*** is that not speaking of figures. why would I be mad that another Salloon goes a few tenths quicker to 60 mph when I am not racing the cars anyways. At this level it is about the look, sexiness of the car, panache or flair, exotic level, performance and ego.... The S63 AMG is a Stunning looking car.

BMW4me4ever: Why can't you argue with a sliver of honesty and truth?

It was you who first brought up the sales figures when you exaggerated "The Mercedes S-class outsells the Audi A8 almost 3 to 1"

The only reason I brought up those figures was to debunk your nonsense "3 to 1"

You quietly admitted later that even the actual US figure is nowehere near 3 to 1 ("3099 ytd in the US for the A8 ... 557 in the month of June. average only 516 cars a month in the US... S-class sales of 6,211 in the US for an 7-year old car. 1035 average per month which means the S-class outsells the A8 by a 2 to 1 margin."). Proof that you exaggerate.

And yet, after having proven your first exaggeration, you still continue to exaggerate: "If we take the worldwide figure, I bet it is just a tad more than 2 to 1."

No it is not (not is it 2 to 1) -- so once again, you are exaggerating an don;t know what you're talking about.

I knew the worldwide figures as well as US figures even before you posted your first argument.

But the reason I only posted the German figures was to force you to do some basic research before opening your mouth... and also to make my point that in the German market that understands these German cars the most, the Germans prefer buying the Audi A8 over the Mercedes S-Klasse. The Germans know better because Germans are the best makers of these cars, Germans are the best car testers/reviewers as well as the best racing drivers. Non-Germans often buy BMW and Mercedes for irrational, ignorant reasons, so it really doesn't matter how many cars are sold in USA or the rest of the world.

BMW4me4ever: "In the US, which is the largest market by the way"
Funny, I thought China overtook the US as the world's largest car market in 2009.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aE.x_r_l9NZE

It wouldn't suprise me if China's rich people buy more A8 and S-Class cars than Americans.
http://www.jingdaily.com/can-mercedes-catch-up-to-audi-and-bmw-in-china/24853/

In Europe, Audi is outselling BMW and Mercedes.
http://www.acea.be/images/uploads/files/20130716_PRPC-FINAL-1306.pdf

BMW4me4ever: "Yet even the current version has more panache ( to help you out means = a grand or flamboyant manner; verve; style; flair ) ... None of which the Audi A8 offers."
You're blowing smoke. I have sat in the previous S Class many times, and even driven a few rentals in Germany.

BMW4me4ever: "Is this the kind of lackluster and thorough information that audi fans use to quote and argue their point. I do expect more."
are you speaking into a mirror?

satriani --- lets address all of your ridiculous points here ...

1) you want to continue an argument of me saying 3 to 1. You got me as I was incorrect. Yet last time I checked that is you multiply 3099 x 2 = 6198 which is less than the 6,211 Mercedes S-class sold in the USA. In the US it is fair to say that the Mercedes outsells the less expensive A8 by a 2 to 1 margin.

2)You're blowing smoke. I have sat in the previous S Class many times, and even driven a few rentals in Germany.

** so you have driven a S-class a couple times and a few rentals and that makes you an expert of what? Try owning one and then we can talk about what makes an S-class stand above the rest. We are speaking of the New 2014 S63 Amg which for just brand recognition puts the S8 to shame. There is no contest.

3) What is the worldwide figures? Since you love to post stats and references. Are you trying to tell me that if we polled a 100 people and asked them what is the best Luxury Sedan that they will say the A8? You have been misled by you blind devotion to Audi. I work for BMW and know that the answer would be the S550. And it won't be close ... The Mercedes flagship is the " benchmark " is High-end Luxury salloons. End of story.

Why do you bring up the Audi in every post? This is about the Mercedes S63. Who cares about audi? Aside from you and Germanidiot... Give it a rest.

I know you are still upset that the S4 just lost a comparison test to the 3-series again and the 3-series diesel wagon bested the merc and audi. It is okay... Wait til next year

BMW4me4ever: Diesel wagon, lol. You are grasping at straws.

As for Audi S4 vs BMW 335, the biased and questionable Motor Trend comparison test does not matter.

What's far more important are the German car mag tests, since the Germans know more about luxury sports sedans than anyone else

Auto Motor und Sport did THREE different tests of this generation of the Audi S4 (both pre and post facelift) against the BMW 335i (F30 and E90 generations). The Audi S4 won ALL three tests. [Auto Motor und Sport is the ssecond largest car mag in Germany and in Europe]

Audi S4 vs BMW 335i x-drive test
- First place: Audi S4 3.0 TFSI Quattro 498 points ("The high-quality Audi S4 performs especially well on handling, engine, transmission, yet does not compromise required comfort and safety")
- Second place: BMW 335i x-Drive 494 points ("Visually subtle, but almost as fast as the Audi S4, the economical, convenient and easy to use 3 is only just beaten")
http://tinyurl.com/p9ved5v

Audi S4 vs BMW 335i Sport Line
- First place: Audi S4 3.0 TFSI 505 points ("High-quality, high traction, driving safely, comfortably and quickly collects enough points for the four-wheel drive S4 to offset its higher cost level and just defeat the 335i")
- Second place: BMW 335i Sport Line 502 points ("Second Place, but no cause for grief. The cheaper price of the 335i combines good comfort with high agility and driving dynamics, and a fiery, frugal turbo engine")
http://tinyurl.com/p4bx93s

Audi S4 vs BMW 335i
- First place: Audi S4 482 points ("The S4's driving dynamics sets the new standard. Whether in snow, rain or sun, the hottest A4 drives with superior precision, balance, neutrality and super sportscar brakes. The merciless brakes are also a reason why he wins despite significant increase in consumption and significantly higher costs")
- Second place: BMW 335i 474 points ("He is a proud second best. A powerful, economical and reasonable beautifully bassy sounding engine in the 335i is paired with the usual excellent handling on dry roads. The classic rear-wheel drive Three makes those who are not living in alpine regions completely happy -- at significantly lower cost")
http://tinyurl.com/lb2eag6

BMW4me4ever: "satriani --- lets address all of your ridiculous points here ..."
Calling my logical and factual points 'ridiculous' does not make your ridiculous responses to my posts any less ridiculous, lol.

Don't try to weasel out of me catching you exaggerating '3 to 1' by claiming I 'want to continue an argument of you saying 3 to 1'. I caught you exaggerating, it's done. There's no need to argue further, so there's no need for you to keep trying to weasel out of it.

As I said, it does not matter that the S Class outsells the A8 by 2 to 1 in the U.S. What matters more is that in the first six months of 2013, Audi outsold BMW and Mercedes in Europe, including in Germany and in the UK (where Audi is the fourth largest brand) -- these European car buyers understand German upper-class luxury sedans better than Americans do and tend to make more rational decisions based on merit and value.

So why do Americans keep buying more BMW and Mercedes cars in North America while the Europeans buy more Audi cars based on rational decision making? That's because more Americans have irrationally fooled themselves into believing the illusionary status myths of the Mercedes/BMW brands rather than making a rational, informed buying decision based on merit and value of the product. Thus it does not matter that irrational American buyers chose the S Class '2 to1' over the A8 -- it is of no significance other than these people foolishly wasted their money (e.g., see link). On the other hand, the fact that informed, rational buyers like the Germans chose to buy more A8 than the S Class has more significance.
http://web.mit.edu/krugman/www/mercedes.html

BMW4me4ever: "Try owning one and then we can talk about what makes an S-class stand above the rest. We are speaking of the New 2014 S63 Amg which for just brand recognition puts the S8 to shame. There is no contest."
LOL, you should practice what you preach and apply your own principles to yourself first. Since you don't own an S-Class, you cannot talk about the merits of an S-class. At least I've seen and sat in the new S-Class in Germany (though I've not seen the S63 in real life yet).

BMW4me4ever: "Since you love to post stats and references. Are you trying to tell me that if we polled a 100 people and asked them what is the best Luxury Sedan that they will say the A8? You have been misled by you blind devotion to Audi. I work for BMW and know that the answer would be the S550. And it won't be close ... The Mercedes flagship is the " benchmark " is High-end Luxury salloons. End of story."

Ignorance must be bliss for you. See the German comparos below in my post starting with "There have been several ignorant comments about the A8 and S8." These German testers and reviewers know a lot more than you about upper-class luxury sedans -- and they chose the Audi A8 in 2010 and 2011. The Mercedes wasn't the benchmark in the past three years except in the minds of ignorant fools who allowed themselves

The Mercedes wasn't the benchmark in the past three years except in the minds of ignorant fools who allowed themselves to believe in brand myths. In fact, before the new S Class came out, Mercedes USA was declining comparison tests because it knew its S Class was no longer the benchmark and would lose these tests.

Why do you keep responding to whatever I post? Why don't you have better, more factual rebuttals to what I post? Why do you call others idiot when it applies to you?.... give it a rest yourself.

Thank you, Germannut and Satriani for ruining almost every effing thread with your constant efforts to ram Audi down our throats.

cidflekken, what we said is highly relevant to this blog that starts with "577 Horsepower, 3.9 Seconds To 60... it's hard to believe that the 2014 Mercedes-Benz will be able to do a sprint to 60 in 3.9 seconds...."

If you can't deal with it... instead of your constant efforts to read our posts, why don't you use whatever little common sense you have to skip our posts... since you obviously don't want to hear our information because you are happy seeing only part of the big picture.

Seriously, if you believe an internet post is able to ram its message down your throat, you obviously lack basic self-control and sense of reality.

LOL. Obviously you ASSUMED I actually read thru your drivel. I see your names, I glance and see Audi this and Audi that and I move on. But the fact that I even have to scroll through your crap is annoying enough.

LOL, so you're admitting to delusions and hallucinations that 'Audi was being rammed down your throat' by posts which you scroll through. Hmmm, obviously you need some help to sort out your issues... because I wouldn't want you to choke :)

Satriani, just stop while you've only made an imbecile of yourself. We wouldn't want you to degrade any further.

cidflekken: 'vacuous dullard' more accurate describes what you've made of yourself. "We"?? A few agenda-driven 'down votes' are a few grains of sand on a blog read by hundreds of people. I will always be ahead of you :)

So, I see you've resorted to playground antics. Nice.

Of course you're thinking of 'playground'... given your puerile behavior.

Yes, but Audis are extremely boring looking, with possibly the exception of the R8. Oh, and they all look the same, can't really tell the A8 from the A6 from the A4 from the whatever...

Back to the S63, nice front, but the rest of the car look like your average S class, really wish they made more of an effort to differentiate it.

Every S Class has remained untouchable and even with the new car, I don't care if the A8 is faster to 60.

^^^^^
Yup, S-class is simply untouchable in this segment.

Germanidiot expect the 0-63 in the S63 to at least match that of the S8 in a motortrend or car and driver publication. According to Chris Harris latest review of the a45 AMG seems to have a better adaption to the 4WD system in their cars compaired to the audi RS3. If you want to keep throwing around 0-60 times, why don't you quote C&D time of the e63 s 4MATIC time of around 3.3 secs which is quicker than anything Audi has ever put on the streets.

You shouldn't call GermanNut an idiot.
The times that GermanNut and I have quoted are actual instrumented test results on the Audis driven by the car mag testers.

You claimed the E63 AMG S 4MATIC did a C&D time of 3.3 seconds. That's nonsense. That was just C&D's ESTIMATED time after listening to claims made by managers in Mercedes AMG division. The C&D writer admitted he did not drive or test the car ("There was no opportunity to drive the new E63, let alone test it") as he was merely a passenger riding in the car driven by Tobias Moers, AMG’s head of development. C&D has not yet tested this car.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-mercedes-benz-e63-amg-first-ride-review-under-the-camouflage-page-2

Whether the S63 is actually able to at least match that the S8's times in a motortrend or car and driver publication remains to be seen. You're speculating about something that has not happened yet. It may match, it may be slower, or it may be faster.

What we do know is that Motor Trend has clocked the S8 at 3.5 seconds and C&D clocked the A8 4.0 at 3.9 seconds.

Agent00R, This is first and foremost a luxury sedan. The name Mercedes and S-class are synomonous for luxury. This the purpose of the S-amg is to be able to run with exotics and still enjoy all the comforts of the standard S-class. That's the appeal of the car. Maybe you hoping the S-class is something it's not. Want a drivers car get a Porsche. Want a Big luxury car that can embarrass the porsche in a race get the AMG.

There have been several ignorant comments about the A8 and S8.

The Audi A8 is Germany's biggest-selling upper-class luxury car this year. The Germans know more about making, testing and driving their German luxury cars than anyone else.
http://tinyurl.com/op6uzer

This generation of the Audi A8 won all major German car mag comparison tests in 2010-2011 for the Germany's upper class luxury sedans (see links). That last round of German comparos was done because the A8 was then the new German car in its segment (until this new S-Class). With the new S-Class, no doubt a new round of German comparos will happen over the next few months -- probably the new S-Class will re-take first place in new tests from the A8 (unless the facelifted A8 to be launched at September's Frankfurt motor show makes a compelling counter-argument).

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/vergleichstest/audi-a8-bmw-7er-mercedes-s-klasse-und-porsche-panamera-im-vergleich-1837382.html?show=2

http://www.autozeitung.de/auto-vergleichstest/audi-a8-bmw-7er-mercedes-s-klasse-zwoelfzylinder-langversionen-test/gesamtbewertung

http://www.autozeitung.de/auto-vergleichstest/luxusliner-mit-allradantrieb-von-audi-bmw-und-mercedes-im-vergleichstest/fazit

http://www.autozeitung.de/auto-vergleichstest/audi-a8-l-4-2-fsi-quattro-und-bmw-750-li-im-test/fazit

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/vergleich-audi-a8-mercedes-s-klasse-1036272.html

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/vergleich-audi-a8-mercedes-s-klasse-bmw-7er-1122271.html


Obviously the Audi A8 is no slouch when it comes to performance or luxury/comfort, otherwise it would not have won those German comparos.

Motor Trend January 2013 Test: 2013 Audi A8L 4.0

"It's Good To Be the King

This A8L did 0-60 mph in 4.2 seconds and kept going to get through the quarter mile in 12.6 seconds at 110 mph... We can spend another 500 words talking about how the Audi stacks up against all these cars in handling and braking as well, but why? The A8L did our figure eight in 26.3 seconds with an average of 0.71 g while exhibiting mild understeer and putting down power with ease through all four corners. It put in a faster time than the Mercedes and either Lexus. Unless your last name is Statham, or you happen to be an automotive journalist, you aren't going to drive one of these monsters like that anyway...

...We journalists often compare luxury cars to jets, more specifically to flying business or first class. As someone who flies back and forth to Europe an average of once a month or more, I feel qualified to use this analogy, especially here. This is the first car that truly feels like sinking into a Lufthansa Business Class Seat. Let me clarify, for an additional $11,250 (a number I have seen printed on the face of a business class ticket from LAX to Munich), you get the Executive Rear Seat Comfort Package. For the price of renting a seat on a 747, you get upgraded leather, a small refrigerator, a power footrest that deploys from the back of the front passenger seat, and rear seats with heat, cooling and massage functions. Obviously, this is intended for a car that will be shuttling executives around -- or someone who really loves their kid -- because this is one the best seats in the entire automotive world to ride in. The driver's seat isn't too shabby, either. The driving experience is fantastic, with communicative steering, great power, telepathic transmission, and powerful brakes. However, the technology is again the real standout. The two front seats are 22-way adjustable, and, like the rear, will warm, cool and even massage the occupant. Then there's the night vision system... "

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1301_2013_audi_a8_l_4_0_test/

In an instrumented test in April 2013, Car and Driver clocked the 2013 Audi A8L 4.0T at 3.9 seconds to 60 mph as well as 12.4 seconds at 112 mph to the quarter mile. This is the A8, not S8 (though it shares a 420HP version of the same engine as the S8 and RS6/RS7).

Car and Driver April 2013 test: 2013 Audi A8L 4.0T
For all your nasty, nasty bovine-lovin' needs.
"Think of the Audi A8’s new 4.0-liter V-8 as a double dose of Audi’s spectacular 2.0-liter turbo four... A charge to 60 mph takes 3.9 seconds -- Corvette territory. Stay in it, and the long-wheelbase A8L will pass the quarter-mile mark in 12.4 seconds at 112 mph, a half-second and 6 mph behind the S8. Something this big, this aluminum, this luxurious, and moving this quickly usually flies, too. But the A8L stays grounded at its 131-mph electronically limited top speed."
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-audi-a8l-40t-test-review

In the U.S., the Audi A8 won most major American car mag comparison tests against the 7 Series, Jag, etc. The old Mercedes S Class was not tested in these comparos because Mercedes declined to supply a test car (probably because its aging car had lost the German tests and they realized the old S Class would likely lose the American tests as well).

http://www.roadandtrack.com/1st-place---2011-audi-a8l-42-fsi-auto-tiptronic

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2011-audi-a8l-vs-2011-bmw-750li-2011-jaguar-xjl-supercharged-comparison-test-2011-audi-a8l-page-4