DRIVEN + VIDEO: Did BMW Bite Off MORE Than It Can Chew With The All-New 4-Series?

Not sure what this reviewer expected. Sounds to me like BMW is delivering what most buyers would expect, which is a 2-door version of the 3 Series sedan, with bigger wheels, lower ride, and a slightly sportier suspension. From earlier reads, it sounded like the 4 had better steering, but this reviewer's comments on the steering didn't really indicate that as he called is "less feelsome" or something.

Auto Express drove the BMW 435i, which is the coupe version of the 335i sedan. If we are to believe Auto Express: "But (the BMW 435i) not a super sharp drive that the looks would lead to believe. So people some might be a bit disappointed, especially if they were expecting a big step up from the 3 Series. We just have to wait for the M4 to arrive for that."

So the BMW 435i coupe, at least, is simply a rehash of the 335i sedan.
On MotorTrend's Figure Eight course in a recent five-car comparison test, the Audi S4 (24.9 sec @ 0.78 g avg) aced the pack: 2013 BMW 335i x-Drive (25.6 sec @ 0.75 g avg), 2013 Volvo S60 T6 AWD R-Design (25.6 sec @ 0.74 g avg), 2013 Cadillac ATS4 3.6 25.8 sec @ 0.72 g avg), and 2014 Lexus IS 350 AWD (26.0 sec @ 0.72 g avg). That 335i xDrive cost $62,000 because it was loaded with $16,000 of options.

The MT 'Figure 8' Course laps are Motor Trend's gold standard for testing a car's handling: "Straight-line acceleration is great and all, but those who really love driving know our figure eight is how we swiftly evaluate a vehicle’s handling potential, and it usually takes less than 30 seconds." MT's figure eight consists of two 200-foot skidpads, separated by 500 feet on center, which are traversed in a crisscrossing pattern that provides left and right cornering, acceleration, and braking, and every combination in between. It's much more revealing than simple skidpadding, according to MT.
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The German car mag Auto Motor und Sport did three comparison tests of this generation's Audi S4 sedan against both the previous and current gen 335 sedans using three different testers/reviewers. The Audi S4 won all three tests (and every time the S4 was faster than the 335 because the Audis were driven by competent drivers who understand how to drive Audis a bit differently than BMWs).
- Facelifted Audi S4 and current-gen BMW 335i x-drive in 2013.
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- Facelifted Audi S4 and current-gen BMW 335i Sport Line in 2012
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- Pre-facelifted Audi S4 and previous-gen BMW 335i in 2009
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These German reviewers were right because the current 335's limitations are exposed on the track. The current BMW 335i (2012) lapped only three racetracks. In all three tracks, the 335 was slower than the S4. The 2012 Audi S4 (facelifted ), 2009 Audi S4 (pre-facelifted) and even 2009 Audi S4 Avant wagon (pre-facelifted) were all faster than the 2012 BMW 335i and the 2010 BMW 335is M Sport. At Hockenheim, the 2012 S4 was even faster than the 2011 BMW 650i and 2007 BMW M6 Cabrio!
Germany's Hockenheim track (which co-hosts the German F1 Grand Prix):
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Germany's Sachsenring track:
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America's Virginia International Raceway:
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Auto Express: "We just have to wait for the M4 to arrive for that (for a big step up and a sharper drive from the

Auto Express: "We just have to wait for the M4 to arrive for that (for a big step up and a sharper drive from the 3 Series)"
Before even that, we just have to hope that the next gen M3 and M4 will be significantly better than the previous generation M3 that ended production a few months ago... since the current generation 335 and 435 does not give much hope for that.

In a 2012 competition, Autobild pitted the BMW M3 Coupe with Competition Package, Audi TT RS Plus, Porsche 911 Carrera S and Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport on six different race tracks in Germany (Nurburgring's Grand Prix circuit, Lausitz, Saxony, Hockenheim, Oschersleben, Nurburgring Nordschleife).
The BMW M3 with Competition Package was dead last when all six laptimes were added, 25.7 seconds behind the Audi TT and 52.97 seconds behind the Porsche. In fact, the BMW M3 with Competition Package was dead last on every track -- behind the Audi TT every time.
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BMW loves to tease its loyal fans with test runs of camouflaged M4 and M3 cars on the Nurburgring track -- and invariably YouTube clips are posted to ooos and ahhhs from its fans. Yet what's amusing is that no regular production BMW M3 or M5 (or any other regular BMW that's not a limited edition) has broken the 8 minute barrier at Nurburgring's Nordschleife track when driven by an independent driver (i.e., not BMW factory driver) or in an independent test. The best that supercar tester and Nuburgring expert Horst von Saurma has managed with the M3 (and M5) was 8:05 min. Von Saurma drove the Mercedes C 63 AMG PP in 8:01 min and two Audi RS5 (2010 and 2012) in 7:59 min.

Unfortunately for the new 4 Series and 3 Series.... the current Audi A4/S4/RS4 and S5/A5/RS5 are due to be replaced in 2014/2015 with a new generation of cars that will be faster, more agile and significantly lighter. And no doubt the new Mercedes C Class will be an improvement as well.
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"The MT 'Figure 8' Course laps are Motor Trend's gold standard for testing a car's handling: "

"So the BMW 435i coupe, at least, is simply a rehash of the 335i sedan.
On MotorTrend's Figure Eight course in a recent five-car comparison test, the Audi S4 (24.9 sec @ 0.78 g avg) aced the pack: 2013 BMW 335i x-Drive (25.6 sec @ 0.75 g avg), 2013 Volvo S60 T6 AWD R-Design (25.6 sec @ 0.74 g avg), 2013 Cadillac ATS4 3.6 25.8 sec @ 0.72 g avg), and 2014 Lexus IS 350 AWD (26.0 sec @ 0.72 g avg). That 335i xDrive cost $62,000 because it was loaded with $16,000 of options."

Yes, this is the test the MT test the 335i won! And it did come with many options, but did not need 16k in options to win. A well equipped 335 xdrive can be had in the low $.50k range. Also the half inch wider tires on the S4 obviously give it an advantage on the figure 8. The 335 ties for best figure 8 among cars with the same with tire width.

Also the the 435 is not a rehashed 335. The 435 has a 60% stiffer chassis than the 335, and id stiffer than any rival cars. It also has a lower center of gravity compared to the 335 along with being lower and wider in general. Plus with sharper steering its a better drivers car competed to the 335 and anything else in it's class.

Also the M5 lapped the ring in 7:55 by a BMW test driver. You can ignore that fact if you like, but it matters little. As that is the ring time for the M5 which is faster than the panamera turbo. Also you read a little too much in ring times there is often traffic on the ring and it is rare to get a clean lap if you have ever been there you wound know this ( I drove the ring back in 2010). Which may be why your dear Von Saurma clocked a slower time. So your logic that no "independent" driver can not go under 8 is not true since you do not know what traffic and weather is like when the laps are set. But 7:55 is the M5's ring time. Aldo the M5 did lap the twisty VIR nearly 5 second faster than the S6...a track that favors smaller sports cars like a Porsche boxster. Also the gap between the 335i and S6 was smaller than the gap between the S6 and M5.

Strange, lap times by EVO, Auto Bild, AMS show the M3 faster than the RS5, and they're done on the same day.

Car and Driver, Auto Express, EVO, AMS, Automobile, Motor Trend, Drive, Top Gear, european car all gave M3 the win over the RS5.

Anyone who knows Nordschleife would know that it's so big it could be dry and sunny in one portion of the track, and wet and snowing in another. A dry lap is obviously different from a wet lap, or even a slightly damp one. Even Formula 1 drivers can't replicate lap times when track condition changes.

Anyways, I'm sure your Nordschleife lap times are done on the same day, in the dry, on a warm track, with dense air, both within a hour of each other. That's why you keep quoting it like the Bible, LOL.

M5twinturbo: "Also the M5 lapped the ring in 7:55 by a BMW test driver. You can ignore that fact if you like... But 7:55 is the M5's ring time."

What's ridiculous is that this time was set in June 2011 by a BMW factory driver -- when this M5 was not yet a production car! June 2011 was three months before that M5 was first shown to the public at the September 2011 Frankfurt Motor Show (it went on sale in Europe in November 2011). It's likely the BMW factory drivers were still doing test runs of the M5 on the Nurburgring at that time -- they probably picked their fastest laptime and shamelessly submitted it as the best laptime. That's pathetic. Might as well as throw out all laptimes and just have factory drivers submit their best laptimes while the car is being developed.

Will independent drivers ever be able to reproduce these times? Nope. It's been over two years and no other driver has been able to come closer to the factory driver's time, despite the popularity of the M5.
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M5twinturbo: " the ring time for the M5 which is faster than the panamera turbo."

The Porsche Panamera Turbo sportback is not the appropriate Panamera to compare with the M5 sedan. The 2011 M5 sedan is lighter (1870 kg / 4,122 lbs), less bulky and more powerful (560 hp) than the Porsche Panamera Turbo which is heavier (1970 kg / 4343 lb), more bulky and less powerful (500 hp). Both laptimes for the M5 (7:55 min) and the Panamera Turbo (7:56 min) were posted by factory drivers. What you don't know is that the Panamera Turbo's laptime was done Porsche's senior test driver Walter Rohrl -- with the added weight of Horst von Saurma sitting in the passenger seat as a publicity stunt for the new Panamera (take out von Saurma and it would have been faster).

The 550 hp Porsche Panamera Turbo S (1995 kg / 4,398 lbs) would have been the more appropriate car for comparison -- and Horst von Saurma drove this car in 7:52 min on the Nurburgring (had Porsche's senior factory driver Walter Rohrl posted his laptimes on the Turbo S it would probably have been at least 5 seconds faster). Horst von Saurma drove the BMW M5 (1:13.4 min) and Porsche Panamera Turbo S (1:12.3 min) on Hockenheim


M5twinturbo: "Also you read a little too much in ring times there is often traffic on the ring and it is rare to get a clean lap if you have ever been there you wound know this ( I drove the ring back in 2010). Which may be why your dear Von Saurma clocked a slower time. So your logic that no "independent" driver can not go under 8 is not true since you do not know what traffic and weather is like when the laps are set."

You imagine too much for someone who has driven the ring only once.
Von Saurma would report any unusual factors (high traffic, weather problems) that affected his laptime -- as he did with his supertest of the R8 V10 Plus. Von Saurma has been supertesting supercars on the Nurburgring since the 1990s and setting several Nurburgring lap

LOL! Even your "favorite" magazine, Auto Bild, says the 335i wins over the S4. :D

Oh ooops, now it's not your favorite magazine anymore, say you? Because obviously Auto Bild is incompetent to give the win to BMW right, say you?

ROFL!

Green Machine: Anyone can fart unsupported claims that Autobild said this or that...

Unlike you, I back up everything I say with evidence -- I provide the links. Since it's introduction this generation Audi beat the BMW 335 in at least four Autobild comparos (each done by a different reviewer/tester).

Audi wins this Autobild comparo ahead of the BMW (April 2012): Audi S4, BMW 335i, Mercedes C 350, Volkswagen CC
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/vw-cc-audi-s4-mercedes-c-350-bmw-335i-vergleich-3405338.html

Again the Audi wins this Autobild comparo (November 2010): Audi S4, BMW 335i, Mercedes C350 CGI, Infiniti G37x, Volvo S60 T6
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/sechszylinder-limousinen-im-vergleich-1291791.html

Again the Audi wins this Autobild comparo (August 2009): Audi S4, BMW 335i, VW Passat CC, Opel Insignia OPC
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/vier-sportliche-limousinen-im-vergleich-962662.html

Again the Audi wins this Autobild comparo (February 2009): Audi S4, Alpina B3 Biturbo, BMW 335i, VW Passat R36
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/viermal-sportliche-mittelklasse-im-vergleich-854084.html

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/audi-s4-bmw-335i-test-3393146.html

Yup, I guess I did "fart" a fake claim that Auto Bild declared the 335i the victor, mono-y-mono, over the S4. :D

derp derp

Green Machine: LOL. Seven of the eight comparison tests on Autobild and Auto Motor und Sport (since this Audi S4 appeared in 2009) gave the victory to the Audi S4. These German reviewers understood that sportiness and luxury are more important to a luxury sports car segment.

This one deviant test is revealing: Audi won three test categories. The Audi S4 has better acceleration (0-50 km/h: 1.9 sec vs 2.2 sec; 0-100 km/h: 5.3 sec vs 5.6 sec; 0-200 km/h: 19.3 sec vs 20.4 sec) and better braking distance, warm (from 100 km/h 35.0 m vs 37.3 m) than the BMW 335i. The S4's dual-clutch transmission shifts smoothly and quickly (ZF has said that its 7-speed dual-clutch transmission shifts faster and more effiiciently than its 8-speed automatic transmission). The S4 had a good driving experience: it's extremely fast and agile, much traction, lively directional stability, direct steering, more extensive features than the BMW.


The BMW won this review by just 10 points. Unfortunately, unlike Autozeitung tests, we cannot see the points breakdown because Autobild wants you to buy and download their tests.

This reviewer handed the victory to BMW based on three things he did not like about the S4 -- but which are probably not that important to car owners/drivers in this compact luxury sports sedan segment.

- The engine sound of the supercharged S4 was not what he liked. Sound is an individual preference -- and can be easily changed by retrofitting aftermarket exhausts or other components. Does anyone know whether the 335's sound is artificial like the BMW M5 and M135 which plays an engine soundtrack through the car's audio system (see link)?
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/news/industry/the-rise-of-the-fake-engine-roar-11291754

- The S4's supercharged engine required more fuel consumption than the 335's turbocharged engine (combined: 8.1 L vs 7.2 L per 100 km; urban: 10.7 L vs 10.2 L per 100 km; highway: 6.6 L vs 5.5 L per 100 km) which affects fuel costs and driving distance (335 can drive 50 km longer on a tank of gas). But this is the luxury sports segment in the USA: many rich drivers are more interested in how their car performs than in fuel savings or an extra 8% driving distance.

- The BMW test car was cheaper by about 8000 euros than the Audi test car.

This is the compact luxury sports sedan segment... not the compact sporty car segment where cost savings are a bigger issue, especially in Europe where gas costs so much.

M5twinturbo: Watch this video of Motor Trend's first head-to-head comparison test in June 2012: Audi S4 versus the new BMW 335i. The video is revealing because it is a PRE-facelifted S4 with manual transmission and 18" wheels... while the 335i is rear-wheel-drive (new F30 generation).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Nr3YrHMuLgw

The pre-facelifted Audi S4 beat the new 335i in this first test. MT's road test editor Carlos Lago concluded that the Audi wins because it is the more exciting, more involving and more playful car -- his words. The Audi also won on the numbers as well as on most subjective measures (except the BMW "had the nicer interior" because he didn't like the Alcantara in the Audi, lol... which can also be found on more expensive cars like Porsches).

One year later MT did a second comparo test (published one month ago), which you are referring to. Many MT readers realized, from this comparo's test results, that the S4 is superior to the 335. This comparo has an MT poll (see link) which asked MT readers a simple question: which compact all-wheel-drive luxury sport sedan you would choose? Most people (31%) chose the Audi S4, followed by 23% each for the BMW and Cadillac, 16% for the Lexus, 7% for the Volvo.
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This latest MT comparo is a head scratcher because Audi should have won again this comparo for compact luxury SPORTS cars -- or perhaps BMW threatened to cut its advertising on MT :) Surprisingly, MT went against its past test results, current test results and their reader's common sense -- in particular their own Figure Eight test results which they use to choose the 10 best handling cars of the year -- and bent backwards to hand the comparo to the weaker BMW 335.


M5twinturbo: "A well equipped 335 xdrive can be had in the low $.50k range."
Yes, BMW sent a $62,000 335 test car that was fully loaded with $16,000 of options (aolmost all possible options) -- obviously BMW was desperate to impress and influence the testers to avoid losing a second test.

But take away most of these expensive options and the tested 335 would have been a lesser car. BMW optioned the test car with $3,040 yellow brake calipers option (because the 335 took 23 ft longer to stop than the S4 in the 2012 comparo) as well as the $3,100 M Sport option and $1,450 leather. The 335 test car also came further equipped with another $9,000 of options from: $1,000 Dynamic Handling Package (Variable sport steering, Adaptive M Suspension), $2,200 Premium Package, $1,950 Driver Assistance Assistance Plus Package, $3,150 Technology Package, $500)Sport automatic transmission with shift paddles, $875 Harman Kardon surround sound system, $1,200 Active Cruise Control, etc, etc.

Despite this, the facelifted Audi S4 should have still won this comparo. After all, the S4 that won the first comparo in June 2012 was a PRE-facelifted S4 with manual transmission and 18" wheels. In this second comparo, this S

Despite this, the facelifted Audi S4 should have still won this comparo. After all, the S4 that won the first comparo in June 2012 was a PRE-facelifted S4 with manual transmission and 18" wheels. In this second comparo, this S4 was the facelifted version with dual-clutch transmission (MT tester: "Hands down, the best transmission in the group. It's like it has precognition.") and 19 inch wheels. Bottom line, "the Audi S4 is the numbers champ of this test", was first in MT Figure Eight, straight-line acceleration, lateral acceleration, transmission, turning circle, cargo volume, price as tested, etc.

What's fishy are the differences in acceleration results between the first and second tests. The second comparo significantly improved the acceleration and Figure 8 results of the BMW 335, which is to be expected given the benefits of all-wheel drive and the 8 speed automatic. But what's shocking are the S4's acceleration results in the second test with dual-clutch transmission (versus first test with manual transmission): 0 to 60 mph is 4.4 seconds (unchanged) and the quartermile is 13 seconds @ 105.6 mph (12.9 sec @ 108.7 mph). The facelifted S4 with dual -clutch transmission should have resulted in better acceleration numbers in the second test, not worse or equal numbers -- the Audi's excellent dual-clutch transmission is faster and more efficient than a manual transmission (and it is also faster and more efficient than an 8-speed automatic transmission). The MT tester drove the Audi a bit slowly for whatever reason.... while the BMW benefited from better driving. [The acceleration results from the Auto Motor und Sport tests indicate that the S4 should be faster than the 335 in straight-line acceleration]

The MT author Jonny Lieberman's biggest excuses for gifting this comparo to the BMW (over the Audi) were mostly subjective opinions and prejudices, such as on interior and exterior styling. For example, MT made a big deal out of the Audi test car's interior styling (see link), because it did not meet their personal tastes and they had seen its "very good" interior too many times. Of course these car reviewers have seen this A4 series since 2007 -- but they should know that this interior would still be unfamiliar to the 99% of ordinary car users.
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Regardless, the MT reviewers should have known that Audi offer many alternative interior combinations that they could have chosen.
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M5twinturbo: "The 335 ties for best figure 8 among cars with the same with tire width" ... yes it did, with the VOLVO :)

M5twinturbo: "Also the half inch wider tires on the S4 obviously give it an advantage on the figure 8."
Not necessarily.
First, the BMW's Bridgestone Potenza S001 tires are better performance ti

M5twinturbo: "Also the half inch wider tires on the S4 obviously give it an advantage on the figure 8."
Not necessarily.
First, the BMW's Bridgestone Potenza S001 tires are better performance tires than the Audi's Continental ContiSportContact 3 tires (there are better tires than even those Bridgestone S001 that would have given either car an even bigger advantage) -- so the BMW had an advantage in performance tires used.
Second, the BMW might not run optimally on wider tires if it wasn't designed and engineered for such tire widths (only a comparison test with different tire widths will determine what's the most optimal for the car). Although the S4 posted a 25.6 second laptime around the Figure 8 in the first test and 24.9 seconds in the second test, the 0.7 second difference could be attributed to the benfits of having both hands on the wheel and quicker shifts of the dual-clutch transmission.

M5twinturbo: "Also the the 435 is not a rehashed 335. The 435 has a 60% stiffer chassis than the 335, and id stiffer than any rival cars. It also has a lower center of gravity compared to the 335 along with being lower and wider in general. Plus with sharper steering its a better drivers car competed to the 335 and anything else in it's class."

If that's really the case, then why did the Auto Express reviewer conclude "But (the BMW 435i) not a super sharp drive.... So people some might be a bit disappointed, especially if they were expecting a big step up from the 3 Series."

We'll have to wait for proper German car mag comparison tests to properly assess this car.

I don't know, that sounded like an overwhelmingly positive review to me. His only complaints are that it's similar to a 3 sedan - huge surprise - and that it's not "super-sharp". Personally, and I know it's different than many here seem to think, I don't want a track car. I'm buying a daily driver that I want to perform well, be safe, and be somewhat practical - a sporty car rather than a sport car. If you want a true sports car, there are plenty out there - M3s/M4s, GTR, Lotus, and Porsches of every stripe. Buy what you want/need, but let's not complain that every vehicle on the street isn't a F1 wannabe.

very wordy set of comments above. basically, the 435 is a slightly more sporty version of the 335. what a huge surprise (not). too bad about the continued gripes about the steering feel; it's a tough sell to be the ultimate driving machine without best-in-class steering. perhaps the last generation was the peak for 3 series as a sports sedan/coupe

Green Machine: "LOL! Even your "favorite" magazine, Auto Bild, says the 335i wins over the S4. :D"

Anyone can fart claims that Autobild said this or that...

Unlike you, I back up everything I say with evidence -- I provide the links. Since it's introduction Audi beat the BMW 335 in at least four Autobild comparos (each done by a different reviewer/tester).

The BMW 335 hasn't been the ultimate driving machine and/or sports sedan coupe/coupe for several years now. The two largest German car mags -- Auotobild and Auto Motor und Sport -- have chosen the Audi S4 over the BMW 335 in the vast majority of their comparison tests. I've already posted seven German comparison tests choosing the S4 over the 335 (I doubt if there is more than one comparo choosing the 335 in these two German mags).

Audi wins this Autobild comparo ahead of the BMW (April 2012): Audi S4, BMW 335i, Mercedes C 350, Volkswagen CC
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/vw-cc-audi-s4-mercedes-c-350-bmw-335i-vergleich-3405338.html

Again the Audi wins this Autobild comparo (November 2010): Audi S4, BMW 335i, Mercedes C350 CGI, Infiniti G37x, Volvo S60 T6
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/sechszylinder-limousinen-im-vergleich-1291791.html

Again the Audi wins this Autobild comparo (August 2009): Audi S4, BMW 335i, VW Passat CC, Opel Insignia OPC
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/vier-sportliche-limousinen-im-vergleich-962662.html

Again the Audi wins this Autobild comparo (February 2009): Audi S4, Alpina B3 Biturbo, BMW 335i, VW Passat R36
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/viermal-sportliche-mittelklasse-im-vergleich-854084.html


Furthermore, the German car mags have found that the S4 is faster than the 335i and 335i xDrive across the acceleration band.
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/vergleichstest/audi-s4-und-bmw-335i-x-drive-allradler-mit-maechtig-dampf-6334750.html?show=3

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/vergleichstest/audi-s4-3-0-tfsi-und-bmw-335i-lader-pfeifen-im-doppelpack-4631228.html?show=3

So much bias BS...BMW vs Audi, Republican vs Democrates, Mantle vs Mays, Beatles vs Rolling Stone, etc etc. Audi guys are not always right but never in doubt. BMW guys ditto. Pick the one you like and be gracious (in as few a words as possible) and recognize that the other guy likes what he likes.

couldn't agree more... the bickering above is quite childish sounding...

Below is a German car mag individual test on the new BMW 435i coupe

Auto News Germany individual tests:

Facelifted Audi S4
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Facelifted Audi S5 and A5 Coupe, Sportback and Cabriolet
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Old 2010 BMW 335i coupe and convertible
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New 2012 BMW 335i sedan
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@ Satriani1: Dude do you work for AUDI? It is so tiresome having to go through all the "Newspaper-like" coments you post. In every thread you enter you sound like a Pastor desperately trying to convert every single person to your religion! C'mon! Even if The S4 were the best thing on earth,I wouldn't buy one 'cause It doesn't suit my taste. I repect AUDI for all it does, but numbers won't make me love it nor hate it. PEACE!

BimmersNme: So what you're saying is that these revealing German evaluations interfere with your illusions/perceptions about the cars that suit your personal taste -- so you would rather keep on just sticking your head in the sand about these cars. No worries, no one can convert you to buy anything you don't want to buy... just as no one can force you to go through comments you find tiresome -- unless you choose to read these comments because you really want to.

Satriani1...There is so much I want to say but I'll be brief, there is a message in all the responses you have received and it has nothing at all to do with cars. As a wise man once said "Can't we all just get along !"

Pugproud: I'll be briefer: 5 or 6 negative responses out of 6,000 views are a drop in the ocean. Use your common sense -- don't read my posts if you can't handle the truth.

Look at all these BMW fanboys getting angry because Satriani1 proves Audi's superior comparison test results against BMW across a wide range of notable, respected and accomplished auto industry magazines.

Satriani1, thank you for posting all that you do about Audi. I find your comments extremely informative and respect the fact that you support your claims with direct links to the articles you are referencing, which I also do.

Between the two of us I think we are doing an awesome job in showing Autospies and the general auto-enthusiast community what a great brand Audi is.

I hope to see your continued support for Audi here on Autospies.com.

GermanNut: What is interesting is that -- during the many years that you have been here (often alone) posting informative, honest posts backed with supporting references -- several of the same pack of BMW fanboys have tried to irrationally attack, ridicule, obfuscate and vote down your posts. Simply because what you post challenges their illusions and outdated opinions about their favorite car brand -- and threatens to inform Americans about what the Germans already know about these brands and their cars.

In another recent blog, a new(?) poster caznable55 posted relevant, compelling data that happened to support Audi. He was slapped with 5 'vote downs' (even more than any of my posts received on that blog) as well as a snarky comment -- simply because he posted compelling information that some did like to hear. Poor caznable55 was left to ponder: "Had no idea I was adding that much fuel to the fire with those industry stats!"

I don't work for Audi, nor am I associated with the auto industry in any way. But it is incumbent on people like us to bring much-needed facts, information and logic into these discussions. And what better place to get informed views on German cars than from the German car mags and other credible auto industry sources.

Satriani1 and GermanNut: It's sad to say that most ppl who come here arent interested in facts, information and logic. I would like to thank the both of you for your many thoughtful and informative posts. I don't post often but I've read through virtually all of your posts over the years. Ppl here are just stuck on their "beliefs" (illusions) and most will never accept what you say because it would crush the imaginary world they built in their mind of how the automobile industry should be. Anyway, keep up the good posts and don't get down on all the stupid downvoting that occurs here for presenting facts.