BREAKING! Audi To Bring A 700 HP Hybrid Whopper To 2013 Frankfurt Motor Show

Oh, goodie, goodie! Let's they compete with little brother Porsche 918 Spyder.

Autobild car mag has reported this monster could have as much as 820 HP (the twin turbo V8 engine of the S6/S7/RS6/RS7/S8 could be further tuned to 650 HP and the electrc motor could be 170 HP) and 738 lb ft torque. Of course it's all speculation until Audi officially reveals the news.
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/audi-sport-quattro-iaa-2013-4326052.html

This Audi has nothing to do with the BMW i8 or the Tesla. Common sense should tell analysts that this Audi does not need 700 to 800 horsepower "to take on the BMW i8". Audi could easily whip the puny i8 by mating the new S3's 300 HP 2.0-litre TFSI engine engine with this e-tron's 150 to 170 hp electric motor as its combined 450 to 470 HP would be much more than the i8's combined 360 HP (the 300HP S3 hatchback accelerates faster than a 306 HP BMW 335i throughout its entire acceleration band and the S3 keeps getting faster and faster than a 335i xDrive after 120 km/h)

Car and Driver mag: "So is this Audi’s answer to the other plug-in hybrid sports car, the BMW i8? “It is a message NOT to BMW, BUT TO THE WORLD,” our confidant says. That’s a bold statement -- just like the car."

This Audi is more in the realm of the Porsche 918, which has combined 887 hp. Given a 918 prototype has already lapped the Nurburgring in 7:14 min, Audi knows that a simlar hybrid concept is feasible (Porsche and Audi are part of the Volkswagen Group).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oClr3G-wQ5Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWmfBeYOwdA

Autozeitung
http://www.autozeitung.de/auto-neuheiten/audi-quattro-sport-e-tron-2013-iaa-studie-sportwagen-hybrid-gn-401936

Car and Driver
http://blog.caranddriver.com/audi-sport-quattro-concept-to-be-revealed-in-frankfurt-2013-frankfurt-auto-show/

Pictures
http://www.autozeitung.de/auto-neuheiten/audi-quattro-sport-e-tron-2013-iaa-studie-sportwagen-hybrid-gn-401936?panorama=1

Please do not let this be an ugly-ass hatchback design...

I like the sketches! Hope they build it exactly like this.

The Ferrari FF wants its rear design back.

merce63amg: Do all car designs look the same to you... except Mercedes.

Funny you did not think the rear of the Mercedes CLA 45 AMG came from the Ferrari FF...
http://tinyurl.com/oovkfuo

Ferrari FF (rear)
http://tinyurl.com/pts2nzb

Audi Quattro
http://tinyurl.com/ppny36l

"merce63amg: Do all car designs look the same to you... except Mercedes."

No, I never stated anything that would indicate such a statement.

I just stated my opinion on the rear styling for the concept above.
Thanks for adding your 2 cents though.

Now here's my 3 cents: you got it backwards.

Here is this year's new Mercedes CLA 45 AMG, which looks like it got some of its rear styling from the Ferrari FF.
http://tinyurl.com/oovkfuo

This is the rear styling of the Ferrari FF, which was first seen in 2011 Geneva Auto Show. The Ferarri FF came out the year AFTER the Audi Quattro concept. SO you really should have said that the Audi Quattro concept wants its rear design back :)
http://tinyurl.com/pts2nzb

This is the rear styling of the Audi Quattro concept which was first seen in 2010 Paris Auto show (which the new Audi Sport Quattro drawings are based). Obviously this Audi was designed to capture the spirit of the original Audi Quattro from the 1980s. In any case, other than both being hatchbacks, the rear styling of the Ferrarri and Audi Quattro do not look similar.
http://tinyurl.com/mycz8vc
http://tinyurl.com/ppny36l

This is rear stying of the original Audi Quattro from the early 1980s.
http://tinyurl.com/mw8dl8w
http://tinyurl.com/k9thghs

Lol, yeah the original Quattro has a squared rear which I'm sure is where Audis idea came from, but all I was stating is the way this concepts rear looks it resemble the Ferrari FF a lot.. If the Ferrari FF was first seen in 2011 and its been a production car for the last year or so, and considering production cars usually take 4-5 years to develop Ferrari had a design drawn up around 2008/7.

In my opinion this concepts rear looks like a Ferrari FF, didnt realize thats bad thing? Lol. Not sure why you're so insecure/ defensive about any critcizim on an audi..very childish IMO.

merce63amg: It's hypocritical for you to demand the right to criticize.... but then you childishly cry foul when your criticism is rebutted.

You specifically stated "The Ferrari FF wants its rear design back" -- clearly, you knocked the Audi Quattro's rear styling as a copy of the Ferrari FF's rear styling.

What you said is nonsensical since the Audi Quattro was first shown in the 2010 October Paris Motor Show -- this was six months before the Ferrari FF was first shown in the 2011 March Geneva Motor Show. These are hard facts.

After your weaseling was exposed.... now you're trying to twist your weaseling as a positive comment: "this concepts rear looks like a Ferrari FF, didnt realize thats bad thing".

Furthermore, you don't know when the Audi Quattro concept was first designed (this is an anniversary car that Audi had 30 years to think about). So there is no need to pretend that you know that "the Ferrari design drawn up around 2008/7" -- when you probably don't know when the Ferrari FF was first designed. [The rear styling of Pininfarina's Sintesi concept car first shown in the 2008 Geneva Motor Show (see link) looks nothing like the rear of the Ferrari FF that Ferrari later commissioned Pininfarina to design.]
http://tinyurl.com/p4jt49e

Bottom line: if you want to dish out criticism (based on BS and weaseling), at least have the courage and maturity to accept fact-based criticism of your dubious comments. Don't dish out criticism if you can't take it.

"What you said is nonsensical since the Audi Quattro was first shown in the 2010 October Paris Motor Show -- this was six months before the Ferrari FF was first shown in the 2011 March Geneva Motor Show. These are hard facts."

Lol what you said is nonsensical...so you are suggesting Ferrari saw Audi's concept in October, and within 6 months were able to develop and present the production ready FF on March 1 2011?..sure.

Well here is a spy video & photos of a camouflaged Ferrari FF testing in July, and August 2010, and the final shape of the car can be seen...So yes Ferrari had the FF design draw up years before 2011, and before the quattro concept was ever seen by the world. These are hard facts.

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1047649_video-mysterious-ferrari-prototype-spied-in-maranello

http://www.autowereld.com/spyshots/detail.asp?artikel=10270

merce63amg: Lol, in your links, the Ferrari prototype's backside is so heavily camouflaged that no normal person can see what the backside looks like except for the round tail-lights and four exhaust pipes. The final shape of the car can be seen only with your Mercedes x-ray vision machine.
http://tinyurl.com/jwosv8q

Thus, what you said is monumentally nonsensical... you are suggesting that Audi saw Ferrari's concept in early August, and within 6 WEEKS were able to develop and present the drive-ready Audi Quattro concept on October 2, 2010!!

If you are right, this must be how Audi did it:

Step 1: Audi's spies captured the "camouflaged Ferrari FF testing in July, and August 2010"
The Ferrari prototype looks this...
http://tinyurl.com/jwosv8q
and this....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-Qbuiw9vkeQ

Step 2: The humongous camouflage on the rear of the Ferrari prototype stumps Audi's design department. After laughing for a week....

- Some Audi designers insist this must be a new version of the Ferrari 250 GT SWB Drogo
http://tinyurl.com/lhs4c7f

- Other Audi designers insist this is a new version of the Pininfarina Sintesi concept
http://tinyurl.com/p4jt49e

Step 3: Finally, one smart Audi designer borrowed the Mercedes super x-ray vision machine. He is able to see through the Ferrari's heavy camouflage... and he discovers the real real styling of the Ferrari FF's backside, which is this....
http://tinyurl.com/pts2nzb

Step 4: Having discovered what the real Ferrari FF backside looks like, this smart designer returns the x-ray vision machine back to Mercedes. Mercedes also sees the x-ray picture of the Ferrari FF's backside --- and uses it to design the backside of its future Mercedes CLA 45 AMG.
http://tinyurl.com/oovkfuo

Step 5: Meanwhile the smart Audi designer was so inspired by the backside of the Ferrari that he designed the Audi Quattro's backside to look very different from the Ferrari FF's backside.... instead of using the Ferrari FF's round tail-lights, he uses rectangular tail-lights... and instead of using the Ferrari's four exhaust pipes, he uses two big exhaust pipes.
http://tinyurl.com/mop8jfn
http://tinyurl.com/mycz8vc
http://tinyurl.com/ppny36l

Step 6: In just six weeks...
-- this Audi Quattro concept design was approved by several management levels at Audi
-- a clay model of the car was sculptered and the final design was approved by Audi management
-- the body, engine, technology and interior of the prototype Audi Quattro was created and assembled
-- the prototype was tested to make sure it was working and safe.

Step 7: On October 2, 2010, the hastily put together Audi Quattro was unveiled at the Paris Auto Show.
http://tinyurl.com/pklz8pj

Step 8: By December 2010, the hastily put together Audi Quattro was already being driven by car mags. Car and Driver mag: "It’s a real car... From our short drive, it’s clear the Quattro concept is already a real driver

Step 8: By December 2010, the hastily put together Audi Quattro was already being driven by car mags. Car and Driver mag: "It’s a real car... From our short drive, it’s clear the Quattro concept is already a real driver’s car"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px9ayZ-LqWg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l18te648vQs
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/audi-quattro-concept-review

Wow, Audi is really, really good.

In the end, what's really funny is that your knock on the Audi backfired: it is obvious that part of the new Mercedes CLA's rear styling came from the Ferrari FF.

Car and Driver mag, December 2010 first drive report of the Audi Quattro concept: "Audi's homage to its historic rally monster is a real driver -- and really capable.... Decker Canyon Road branches off the Pacific Coast Highway in northern Malibu to snake up the contours of the coastal range to the Mulholland Highway and Westlake Village. The road is narrow, sinuous, and challenging, edged by rock and unyielding Armco -- and it is the road Audi management picked for us to try out the company’s priceless, handmade Quattro concept... Audi PR chief Josef Schlossmacher, riding shotgun, never once suggested we slow down, which speaks volumes for the Quattro concept. It’s a real car... Yet from the moment it launches, the Quattro feels as though it has a completely sorted drivetrain. The clutch engages smoothly, and the car moves off. It then gathers speed like a fully calibrated production car. And then it gathers more speed like a seriously fast production car. Audi claims 0 to 62 mph in fewer than four seconds, and we don’t doubt it... the car feels utterly composed. All the ride motions are well controlled—good enough to carry us through fast left-right transitions with complete confidence. From our short drive, it’s clear the Quattro concept is already a real driver’s car.... the Quattro concept follows Audi’s strict directive that all concepts share current platform technologies for affordable manufacture."
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/audi-quattro-concept-review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEQONJpWRa4

"Thus, what you said is monumentally nonsensical... you are suggesting that Audi saw Ferrari's concept in early August, and within 6 WEEKS were able to develop and present the drive-ready Audi Quattro concept on October 2, 2010!!"

I never suggested the Ferrari FF, and the 2010 Audi quattro concept had anything to do with each other, and they clearly do not. You brought up the 2010 concept to try and spin what I stated, but you clearly ran into a dead end. All I ever stated are these 2013 sketches of this new quattro concept resemble the Ferrari FF in MY opinion.

LOL, your interminable weaseling continues.

Your original comment was "The Ferrari FF wants its rear design back" referring to these 2013 sketches of this Audi quattro sport concept.

If you are stating that "these 2013 sketches of this new quattro concept resemble the Ferrari FF" THEN you are stating that
the 2011 Ferrari FF and the 2010 Audi quattro concept resemble each other.

There is no doubt that the rear styling of the Audi Quattro Sport sketches is extremely close to the original Audi Quattro concept that was unveled in 2010 (see photos in links). In fact, most of the entire styling appears to be almost the same (just minor refinements), even though the new Quattro Sport will probably be a bit longer and more aggressive looking.


http://tinyurl.com/ppny36l

http://www.tuningnews.net/news/101006/audi-quattro-concept-hr-02.jpg

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/content/image/2/0/2010_audi_quattro_concept_07-4ca3c2203dcd6.jpg

Stop weaseling and have the integrity to accept that you have been caught

Lol, I think we both know you are the weasel : ).Caught me doing what? Stating my opinion...oook. I honestly don't care what YOU think my thought process or meaning was b/c you are obviously taking it a little too seriously. I saw the sketches, and immediately thought that looks like a Ferrari ff from the rear. It's pretty simple, but imagine what you like kiddo.

merce63amg: if Mercedes sales school had taught lessons on integrity and humility you would have admitted long ago that:

(a) you wrongly assumed that the Audi Quattro Sport sketches "looks like a Ferrari FF from the rear"

(b) you realized your multiple mistakes after I showed you pictures and videos of the 2010 Audi Quattro concept which was unveiled in the 2010 October Paris Motor Show -- this was six months before the Ferrari FF was first unveiled in the 2011 March Geneva Motor Show.

(c) your mistakes:

- should should have said that the Ferrari FF looks like the Audi Quattro concept from the rear (though you would be wromng to say it because....)

- the Audi Quattro Sport rear does not look like the Ferrari FF (unless you're lacking in visual and artistic perception)

- the Mercedes CLA looks more like the Ferrari FF

Most intelligent people reading your replies can see through your weaseling. You weren't just innocently stating your opinion, it's obvious you were here to take a dig at this new Audi car that's more powerful, faster and more innovative than anything in the Mercedes lineup.

Wow it's soo impressive that you can tell me what YOU think MY thought process was or should have been. But the reality is your flat wrong!!! And this is your opinion. So if that's the story you want to conjure up be my guest. I have explained myself clearly above multiple times, and have certainly given you more attention than you deserve. A few parting thoughts...

Sales school? What?!? Oh that's right just more drivel from the weasel.

"(b) you realized your multiple mistakes after I showed you pictures and videos of the 2010 Audi Quattro concept which was unveiled in the 2010 October Paris Motor Show -- this was six months before the Ferrari FF was first unveiled in the 2011 March Geneva Motor Show."

A) you realized you mistake that by trying to bring a 2010 concept into the discussion to imply Audi had the design before Ferrari was wrong (and not even the point i was trying to make) when I produced spy shots of a camo FF 3 months before the Quattro debuted. And of course you said you can't see what's under there. Well you can see the outlined shape of the car that is currently being produced. To also think Ferrari did not have a final designed prototype testing 6 months before its debut raises the question, how long do you think it takes to develope a car from a clean sheet?? Lol...the answer is more than 6 month. Actually it's more like a few years.

"obvious you were here to take a dig at this new Audi car that's more powerful, faster and more innovative than anything in the Mercedes lineup."

Lol, yeah b/c I think the rear looks like a Ferrai FF IMO. Yet through all your above posts you keep trying to bring up and take "digs" at Mercedes, which has absolutely nothing to to with this tread in an effort to get a reaction. Hypocrite much? Unfortunaly I'm not as insecure as you. Say what you like about Mercedes, I don't care b/c it's only satriani's opinion.

Your mistakes: 1- Your trying to argue something you can't win, b/c it's my opinion and it will not change. 2-Anyone who reads your posts knows you have a blind obsession for Audi, and can never admit anything negative about them...hmm kind of sounds like a sales person? 3- In your posts you constantly contradict yourself regarding source credibility which in return has given you very little credibility. 4- your generally accusatory, confrontational, and frankly obnoxious posts have made you more enemy's than friends on this site which probably explains the down boosts. 5-you post information like you feel entitled or its your duty to "inform/educate" people, which is insulting( and comical), b/c you underestimate peoples abilities know facts or to form their own opinions, and that they DO NOT have to refect yours.

These are my opinions on you.

Oh and the Ferrai ff still wants rear design back.

Your argument is delusional: "when I produced spy shots of a camo FF 3 months before the Quattro debuted. And of course you said you can't see what's under there. Well you can see the outlined shape of the car that is currently being produced."

Your issue is not the "outlined shape of the car that is currently being produced" -- since everybody can see from your spy shots that the OVERALL shape of the Ferrari and the Audi are obviously very different.

Your issue specifically is the "REAR design" of the Ferrari FF car and the Audi Quattro Sport sketches ("the Ferrari FF wants its rear design back"). As I've shown, the Audi Quattro Sport sketches are obviously heavily based on the Audi Sport concept that was unveiled at the 2010 Paris Auto Show.

It's obvious to everyone that NO human being can see the "outlined shape" of the REAR of the Ferrari FF mule in your spy shots -- since this Ferrari's backside was unusually heavily camouflaged with a physical covering, not just a wrap as is usually done in other car prototypes. In your own "spy shots of a camo FF" (see your own link below -- first link), the most misleading and camouflaged part of the Ferrari FF mule is the rear design. Only three things that are visible on the FF mule's rear (round lights, four tailpipes, fake air spoiler location) -- but all these features are completely different on the Audi Quattro concept (see second link) that was unveiled just 9 weeks after your spy shots of the Ferrari FF mule were taken.

http://tinyurl.com/jwosv8q

http://tinyurl.com/mop8jfn

It's ridiculous to fantasize that the Audi Quattro's backside (and thus the Audi Quattro Sport's backside) was inspired in any way from the heavily camouflaged backside of the Ferrari FF mule.


Your argument is irrelevant: "how long do you think it takes to develope a car from a clean sheet?? Lol...the answer is more than 6 month. Actually it's more like a few years."

So what??? Your argument applies to the Audi Quattro concept as well. The Audi Quattro was unveiled in the auto shows 6 months BEFORE the Ferrari FF. Major American car mags drove the car in California iin December 2010 (four months BEFORE the Ferarri FF's unveiling) and said it felt production ready. This Audi Quattro was based on the Audi RS5 (which itself is based on the S5 coupe, which was first unveiled in March 2007) -- there's no doubt that the S5 was designed long before the Ferrari FF (which was unveiled in March 2011).

Your arrogance is educational: "Your mistakes: 1- Your trying to argue something you can't win, b/c it's my opinion and it will not change."

No one is trying to stop you from having an opinion. But it's arrogant of you to presume and demand that your dubious opinion cannot be challenged and rebutted by facts, logic, principles and common sense -- especially when your opinion is obviously wrong and ignorant. If it helps, you should think of my rebuttal as an opinion of your dubious opinion.

Duh, I'm not

Duh, I'm not trying to change your fossilized opinions. I know I won't change your opinion. I'm just showing everybody else that your dubious opinion on this matter is wrong based on facts, logic, principles and common sense.

Everybody can see that you are wrong, that you lack the integrity to admit you made a mistake, and that you are now defensively and insecurely trying to blow smoke with irrational, comical and dumb arguments. It is really you -- with your weaseling -- who are underestimating and insulting peoples abilities to know facts and to think.

And that's why I've won :)

Posted a lot of words but actually said very little, you predictably try to say the opposite of everything I stated like a child.

"Everybody can see that you are wrong"

Oh so now you feel entitled to speak on "everybody's " behalf. Excellent !!

You call my opinions fossilized? That would be great if it made sense. Yours are delusional.
Not sure how my thinking the Quattro concept resembles the FF could be categorized as fossilized, lol.
You can challenge my opinion all you like, but sounds like you are just trying to convince yourself. You certainly haven't convinced me.

"And that's why I've won :)"

That's your opinion : )

Quote from another blog

Audi Etron = vaporware.

Which blog?? Pls provide a link so we can see who and what was said.

There will definitely be at least one Audi e-tron soon. Audi Germany's website homepage (see first link) has been advertising the A3 e-tron in its model line up. This e-tron is just awaiting regulatory approval in Europe before sale can begin: "The Audi A3 Sportback e-tron is not yet available for purchase. It does not yet have total approval subject to the directive 1999/94/EC" (which relates to the marketing of new passenger cars).
http://www.audi.de/de/brand/de.html
http://tinyurl.com/kb8mhbf
http://tinyurl.com/nwvv6dw

As for this 800 HP Audi Sport Quattro e-tron, it appeared within six weeks of Ulrich Hackenberg being appointed as Head of technical development (R&D) at Audi.

Two months ago, Audi removed former Porsche staffer Wolfgang Durheimer from this development job at Audi apparently because he was resistant to the production of the R8 E-tron and other similar concepts. I'm guessing it's partly because Durheimer was really resistant to developing Audi rivals for Porsches such as the 918 hybrid. Bottom line, times have changed -- Durheimer has been removed.

The more experienced and more senior Ulrich Hackenberg isn't a guy who puts out 'vaporware'.

Hackenberg has been one of the Volkswagen group's key strategists for many years, serving in several companies within the VW Group. In the late 1980s Hackenberg was technical project manager overseeing Audi's entire product range, especially the Audi TT, 80, A3, A4, etc. Hackenberg later managed Audi's concept development, design development, electrics/electronics. Hackenberg has also led the Volkswagen Group's design development and concept car development. He was also head technical development at Rolls Royce (when VW held it) as well as Bentley.

Auto Motor und Sport on the Sport Quattro
http://tinyurl.com/npokp8b

The Sport Quattro will be sexy...
http://tinyurl.com/l2y4v94

It won't be vaporware anymore once Audi's resurrected Quattro brings a new level of performance, price and exclusivity to the Audi brand.