BMW And Toyota To Co-Develop $350,000 + LF-A Type Hybrid Supercar

BMW doesn't have anything worth of $150K or significant technology at hand, so what does Toyota want them to do other than maybe tuning some suspension? :)

You are an idiot!

Because I drive a BMW? Ha!

All I know is I'd buy a Ferrari if I'm going to spend that amount of money. It's fine if you still like to stick to the lifeless steering of current BMW.

@ dlin

You "driving" a BMW is irrelevant. Just because you "drive" one does not mean that your opinion is more valuable than someone else's opinion.

For all we know, you're driving your Grandma's old 1982 323 or a Mini.

It does matter, as I have been owning BMW since 2004, and witnessing the evolving pro/con of it.

You?... for all we know, just a fan boy that doesn't own a BMW, know how to drift properly on street, or give a meaningful argument/opinion, other than bashing others like a moron :)

Looks like the return of the M1 at some point in the not so distant future.

What about the LF-A? Shouldn't we still be gushing all over that? The LF-A was Buzz worthy for about 2 months. Now? No one even cares about it and even Toyota is even moving on. The LF-A was released in 2010 and already its done. Couldn't even keep people interested for 3 years.

You are SO wrong, it's not even funny.

The LFA will be a spectacle and highly sought after a la the 2000GT for years to come.

Considering only 500 were built and Toyota Motor Sales already proved its point with its 7:14 Nürburgring lap time, it IS time to move on.

What are they supposed to do? Pump their fist and pound their chest?

"What about the LF-A? Shouldn't we still be gushing all over that? "

Are you on drugs or just a numbskull. All 500 copies have been sold a long time ago. Since Lexus stated time and time again that they were not building anymore of it, what the hell else do you want them to say.

A long time ago? I never knew that 2 years ago is a "long time ago". I guess 2 years might seem like a long time, when the car is completely forgotten about, and not really relevant. You are just re-enforcing my point. No one was clamoring to the LF-A. And only after 3 years since its release, The LF-A is a little more relevant than a Spyker.

And what’s up with the "Numbskull" name calling? The LF-A is a car and you're acting like someone insulted your girl. True Fanboy reaction.

That 7:14 Nurburgring time wasn't with a production ready vehicle. The LF-A was an overpriced car for what it was. Corvette Z06 performance at $375k. Carbon tub? The McLaren has a Carbon Tub (Also Mid-
Engined, which cost more to build than the LF-A's front engine desing), And still wound up costing about 100 grand less than the LF-A.

Not to mention the Mclaren is still being produced, out performs the LF-A, newer models have been built with more performance, and even a convertible model was built with zero drop off in performance.
When Toyota decided to build a sports car. It took them 10 years, when it came out it already looked dated because the design was 10 years old.

With the expectation of a non-production LF-A setting a fast nurburgring time, the car didn’t light the world on fire performance wise. When the LF-A was put up against the McLaren and the Aventador on the road (actually airport runway), the LF-A got destroyed (look up the youtube vid LF-A vs Aventador vs Mclaren). All while costing significantly less money than the LF-A.

I don’t care if "they only made 500". That is the only thing that makes them "rare". There isn't anything that the LF-A offers that you cannot get elsewhere for about $100k less and with a better name to boot.

So let me get this straight...somehow you still expect the same fanfare the press usually gives out to new ground-breaking models to a car that's been out two years ago and has since quickly been sold out.

Even though there’s no hope in hell the company will ever produce updated versions of the same model, you still somehow consider any non-news a failure. That some truly brilliant thinking, genius.

This car isn't about pure performance. I'm sure the GTR would've smoked the LF-A in a lot of performance categories for about 1/3 of the price. This is Lexus’ halo car and as such is about technology – from the carbon fiber frame (which they wove themselves), to the details put into every part of the car. And at 500 copies, it does meet the true definition of “exclusive”.

I live in a big city and not once have I seen this car on the road. I cannot say the same thing about a Lamborghini. And when it comes time to auction this car off, how much are you willing to bet each one would cost a pretty decent penny - much much more than its original price.

Funny you call me a fanboy? Go back and take a look at ALL the useless drivel you've been posting here. I haven’t looked at all your posts since they're pretty much all garbage but the little I’ve read convinces me that you do have biased hatred towards a certain company.

The sad part is...you’re spewing trash towards cars from this company when you haven’t even driven them. BTW, do you even drive?

The LF-A is a failure. They also had trouble offing all 500. How do you think it would fare now? Or was the car designed to only be competitive for the 2010 calendar year? Sure seems like it. The fact that no one even mentions the LF-A anymore, proves that the car wasn’t what the fans wanted it to be. I don’t think ever seen a Supercar become so irrelevant in such a short amount of time.

Not about performance? LOL!!! A 2-Seat, small coupe, with a carbon fiber tub and a 500hp high revving engine isn’t about performance? And you expect people to believe that? Whats the LF-A about then? Luxury? The LF-A was always about performance, the fact that it came up short doesn’t change that.

Do I even Drive? LOL!!! I guess that Fanboy comment I made about you calling me a "Numbskull" must have hit a nerve? Notice how I still didn't call you "Numbskull" or any other name for that matter. Which is more than I can say for you. You say I post "Drivel"? Well calling a person a name because they said something bad about a car you like? Thats worse than any of the drivel I posted. At least I don't call people names.

I drive, Ride Motorcycles and I'm smart enough to know a Dud (relatively speaking) when I see one. And the LF-A is a Dud (Relatively speaking).

And yes. I hate Toyota. Is something wrong with that? They make lame boring cars, while their fans proclaim that they are the best. I hate Toyota/Lexus and I hate thier fans. When they build a desirable car that has more than 200hp, I might be willing to take a look. But right now all I see coming out of Lexus and Toyotas are boring barges with the same engines that they used in the cars from 3 generations ago.

You're still wrong.

The LFA that set the time was completely bone stock.

http://wot.motortrend.com/video-find-zr-what-lexus-lfa-nurburgring-edition-shatters-nurburgring-record-with-714-464-lap-115261.html

I'll end on this note.

As I noted when I reviewed the LFA, you'll never know how great it is unless you've driven one. Most people that have had the chance exclaim how great it is.

Until you drive one, you have no clue what you're talking about. And you really drive that point home with your armchair quarterback line "I'm smart enough to know a Dud...when I see one."

Had “trouble offing all 500”? You do realize the company produced the 500 units within a two-year span and sold all of them before the 500th unit was built, right? Not too shabby considering the almost 400k price tag and given the state of today’s global economy.

LF-A is a dud? It’s apparent your delusion knows no bounds. Got any friends? Jeremy Clarkson claimed it was the best car he’s ever driven. But then hey, who needs to listen to some journalistic hack who just happens to have driven every single performance car under the sun and had actual experience behind the wheel of the car, when the voices you hear inside your head tells you otherwise.

Big nasty WRONG on your head-scratching assertions that cars in this price point is only about performance. It’s about exclusivity. It’s about how each working part of the vehicle is built – the craftsmanship, the quality and meticulous care that was put into building it. And in this regard it does match any of the cars you mentioned. And the LF-A is not without performance cred either. I read an article where it beats some Ferrari model of a similar price point. I can dig out that article for you if you want. I guessed you missed that one too, huh?

If it’s all about performance then maybe we should be all be proclaiming the GT-R the undisputed champion since it beats exotics in most performance categories and costs less than half their price. You really don’t get it. Which makes me think you really know nothing about cars.

For the record, I’m not a Toyota fanboy. I’m just not a hater which, based on your very immature username and the credibility-lowering hatred you spew over and over again, is what you obviously are.

Agent00R, That car was equipped with roll bars which increases stiffness. Stock LF-A's do not have roll bars. Nice try... And it is a dud. 3 years on and no one mentions it.

GG123, Just because I don't like the LF-A you think that means I don't know anything about cars? LOL!!!!

I guess in your world everyone is supposed to love the LF-A? and there isn't a good reason why anyone shouldn't. Get a clue.

Jeremy Clarkson isn't the be-all-end-all of car opinions. He also loves the Lancer Evo. A car that I see people here disrespecting all the time.

My immature screen name? Does it upset you? Sure seems like it. What’s funny is that you called me a numbskull over a car disagreement and you call me "Immature"? Hypocritical much?

You're the one that's immature because when someone said something about an OBJECT that you adore, you attack them on a personal level. Get over yourself.

oh yeah.... Used LF-A's are all over the internet. Which seems impossible because no one in their right mind would want to get rid of an LF-A right? It has to be because they had money problems and had to off it. That's the only reason why any used LF-A would be on the market? Or did they sell the car and buy an Aventador?

The LF-A is lame. I'm not sure why you and 00R thinks that everyone has to be in love with the thing? To me it looks dated. The gaps on the hood seem ungainly, the single clutch transmission feels like a Ferrari transmission from 10 years ago (that's what a reviewer said while driving it).

So just because you are all head-over-heals in love with it, don’t think that everyone has to be like you, or if they are not something is wrong with them.

“Everyone is supposed to love the LF-A”

This just proves your reading comprehension is obviously not your strong suit. I challenge you to post a quote where I stated that.

“Jeremy Clarkson isn't the be-all-end-all of car opinions. He also loves the Lancer Evo. A car that I see people here disrespecting all the time”

You know this statement made me chuckle. I can’t believe you actually used it as an argument.

What you just said is ignore statements from a real journalist who possesses all the right credentials, and instead listen to the opinions of “people here”. By “people here” I’m assuming you mean the resident clowns like Agent009 (or are you all one and the same) that have ZERO credibility, has no journalistic integrity in that he’s not a journalist (he’s just a blogger), and most likely never gotten an invite to drive such cars because of said lack of credentials.

And NO. Saying you “love” something is not the same as saying “It’s the best”. Go find the quote where Clarkson stated the the Evo was “the best car he has ever driven”. I don’t know of any planet where these two terms are considered the same. Do a poll. Ask anyone if these two terms are interchangeable. Then come back here and admit that you made one sad ridiculous statement.

Screen name…

So I made you cry by calling your screen name “Immature”. I want you to explain to me how it is not. I want you to explain to me how it’s different from say… “youMommasUgly”. I really like to hear your explanation.

Used LF-A...

I really don’t know what you’re trying to prove here. I can find ANY car on the internet. Rare or otherwise. You were implying that I’m of the opinion that the LF-A is so great people will never ”want to get rid of it". Can you post the exact statement where I implied that? People get rid of special cars for various reasons. The LF-A is no exception.

“To me it looks dated”

It's your opinion. Which is basically something you’ve formed from selectively extracting certain tidbits of opinions from “people here”.

I want to know what the resident Toyota-haters that pollute this site think of this collaboration. Aren't you pustules wondering what BMW with all their supposed "advanced tech" would gain from this partnership?

Shared development costs and economies of scale.

"And you really drive that point home with your armchair quarterback line"

Nailed it Agent00R...and armchair quarterback who reads articles and selectively picks parts he wants to believe and sells it off as snake oil. I noticed this ignorance runs rampant on this site. Or is just one person posting under different accounts.

Ignorance.... I guess calling people "Numbskulls" is OK in your book. You are such a saint.

Why don't you get lost? Don't you have anything better to do than swarm around a site waiting for Toyota/Lexus articles to bash?

Like get back to recess?