AUTO SPIES EXCLUSIVE PHOTOS AND DETAILS: The best built car in the world gets even better?

AUTO SPIES EXCLUSIVE PHOTOS AND DETAILS: The best built car in the world gets even better?
If you were wondering where 001 has been hiding out the last few days you're not alone.

It's been a hectic week on the road for the Spies covering the Concorso Italiano, Quail, Concours D'Elegance, Mitsubishi Outlander reveal and finally, the USA introduction of the new Lexus LS-Series.

Stay tuned over the next few days as we reveal some really cool exclusive photos and information that you need to know about all the latest happenings!

001's driving partner for the LS drive was the uber-cool Brian Lam from Wired magazine and Gizmodo.com.

Talk about a geekfest!

Here's the scoop and photos of the new Lexus LS-series

Lexus has revealed the all-new 2007 LS 460 and the LS 460 L, the company’s first-ever long-wheelbase model. The fourth-generation LS blends new levels of performance, sophistication, contemporary styling, and luxury refinements while redefining the full-size luxury-sedan segment.

“The first LS that debuted in 1989 set new standards in luxury and refinement, and the new LS 460 continues that heritage,” said Deborah Wahl, Lexus Division vice president of marketing. “This vehicle required novel approaches in craftsmanship, innovative styling and pioneering production processes in order to deliver unmatched refinement and elegance.”

Distinctive Design Relationship

With the launch of the all-new LS, Lexus has adopted the new styling philosophy known as L-finesse across its entire sedan line-up. Fusing incisive simplicity and intriguing elegance, the design posture that began with the new GS luxury sport sedan has now sculpted the IS sport sedan, ES luxury sedan and the flagship LS.

With the all-new LS, Lexus elevated this philosophy. The exterior conveys greater prominence and strength, with a sense of quality and dignity befitting its position as Lexus’ premier flagship model.

Styled at Toyota’s Global Design center in Tokyo, the LS uses complex lines and surfaces throughout the body. The vehicle not only portrays power but also an image of increasing speed. Minimal body gaps, a low front grille and deep drawn fenders all contribute to this look. One of the defining elements of the LS 460’s appearance is the vehicle’s headlamps. The LS engineers wanted the projector-type xenon front lights to have thick walled lenses with crystal-like properties. To better understand the properties of a “crystal” lens the Chief Engineer and his team made a headlamp lens out of crystal. Data was gathered on everything from transparency and the refractive index of light, to surface roughness. Based on the resulting data a new lens was molded and hand polished to reproduce the inherent look of crystal. In addition, the new headlamps reach 30-60 feet further than the lamps used on the previous generation LS.

An interior cabin focused on spaciousness was created for the new LS to delicately wrap around its occupants. This passenger-focused space has dual elements of stability and security in the lower half while keeping a sense of expansion and openness in the upper cabin. All passenger touchpoints were softened to create a relaxed atmosphere, with additional stitching for a richer look. Center console layout was designed to achieve perfect angles for elemental ease of operation from either the driver’s or passenger’s seat; it is arranged at the same height as the door armrests for a comfortable balance. Additional standard wood and chrome trim has been adopted as well as refinements to the interior lighting to create a welcoming atmosphere.

To compliment the interior and exterior styling, special attention was given to the paint. To prepare the exterior body surface for paint, buffing robots are used. In the past, the robots moved only in two directions, up and down. For the LS, six-axis buffing robots with three-dimensional movements were built so that curved surfaces and ends can be polished as well. Six months were spent in developing the robots’ control logic to achieve the right amount of buffing force and oscillation.

Once the body has been smoothed, the painting process begins. During the application of alternating layers of paint and coatings, each LS will be hand-sanded twice. This smoothes and refines the painted surfaces and enhances the deep, mirror-like quality of the finish.

A revolutionary production process was created, enhancing what was already widely recognized as the industry’s finest, in order to build a vehicle that would redefine craftsmanship. The new LS 460 and LS 460 L are the product of an all-new build process developed specifically for the LS line at the award-winning Tahara, Japan plant.

Extraordinary new levels of fit, finish, accuracy and refinement were created by combining the skill and knowledge with advanced technology. The all-new LS sedans showcase the Lexus belief that every element and phase of production is vital to the artistic evolution of an automobile.

World’s First Eight-Speed Automatic Transmission; New High Output V8

In order to achieve the combination of acceleration performance and excellent fuel consumption, an all-new 4.6-liter V8 engine mated to the world’s first eight-speed automatic transmission will power the new LS. Producing 380 horsepower and 367 pound-feet of torque, the innovative V8—Lexus’ first all-new V8 engine since the brand’s launch—features the world’s first electric-motor driven Variable Valve Timing with intelligence and Electronically controlled intake cam (VVT-iE). The dual VVT-i combination of electrically controlled intake and hydraulically controlled exhaust achieves superior engine-startup operation and high-output performance.

A dual fuel-injection system, with both port and direct injection, sends an optimal air-fuel mixture to the combustion chamber, increasing efficiency. The dual-pipe intake system and an Acoustic Control Induction System (ACIS) ensure the proper amount of intake airflow to support increased engine power, with no variation among the cylinders. Maximized engine performance and efficiency also demanded a reduction in exhaust interference. This is achieved via a semi-dual exhaust manifold that carries the exhaust gas in a smoother, more economical fashion.

The new 4.6-liter V8 achieves new levels of rotational balance and reduced friction. A mirror-like finish is polished on specific areas of the crankshaft to minimize the friction generated between the pistons and the crankshaft. In the final assembly stage, a motor cranks the engine to check for any vibration; after assembly, an accelerometer is mounted to the front and rear of the crankshaft to measure any rotational difference. The adoption of direct-injection noise reduction via urethane insulators, with a master technician implementing a final vibration and sound check on each engine in the final phase, has created superior levels of NVH reduction. In order to fully utilize the engine performance while achieving the smooth acceleration worthy of Lexus’ flagship luxury sedan, the world’s first eight-speed automatic transmission was created for the new LS. This allows gear ratios that generate torque up to the tire-grip limitations on the low end yet maintain quietness and fuel economy on the high end. A new transmission-control system was developed in order to simultaneously release and connect the clutches involved when up shifting and negate gearshift shock.

The LS 460 will travel from 0-to-60 miles per hour in approximately 5.4 seconds. With that level of performance, the new LS is estimated at 19 mpg city and 27 mpg highway by the EPA testing method. Lexus is targeting an Ultra-Low Emissions Vehicle II (ULEV II) rating for the LS.

Confident Driving Performance; Superior Ride Comfort

The new LS achieves a superior level of ride comfort independent of the harshness of the road conditions, and a confident drive performance with new innovations in body structure, steering and suspension.

The LS is built on a sophisticated new platform that maintains a delicate balance between ride comfort and responsive handling, utilizing the abundant powertrain output with smooth acceleration. This is accomplished via a new production-control network that can trace the precision of the body and subassembly based on the design data. All completed vehicles off the line are purpose driven by a skilled test driver to confirm riding comfort and steering response.

A front and rear multi-link suspension system with superior adaptability to unevenness in road surfaces was adopted on the LS. Optional external cylinder-restriction air springs were developed to smoothly absorb shock, achieving ride comfort without roll sensation or vibration due to road conditions. An optional all-new air suspension control system achieves superb vehicle posture and stable driving performance with minimal pitching and rolling. The LS comes with standard 18-inch, nine-spoke aluminum alloy wheels and all-season tires.

The LS 460’s newly developed Electric Power Steering (EPS) incorporates a large output brushless motor with improved precision of the reduction gear, increased motor-driving voltage and efficiency of the controller. It offers a smooth steering feel that supports the adoption of the multi-link suspension and large-diameter tires. The EPS motor power was increased to create a steering feel that responds to the driver’s touch and provides a responsive feel when cornering.

Integrated into the steering-gear housing on vehicles with the air-suspension option, Variable Gear Ratio Steering (VGRS) optimizes the steering-gear ratio according to vehicle speed to help enhance responsiveness and driver control. VGRS also partners with a next-generation Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) system, making minor adjustments to front-wheel angle for improved control in challenging road conditions.

The LS features a lightweight body that has a strong resistance to torsion, contributing to the sedan’s performance and fuel economy. It was designed to provide a comfortable space without generating or transmitting vibration. In order to achieve a body structure that contributes to the driving performance, spot welds in the door corner areas were increased and laser welding was implemented for reinforcement, increasing the body’s strength against torsion. In order to confirm and guarantee precision at each step of the process, an innovative production-control measurement system verifies each measurement with the design data, creating a body constructed without unnecessary gaps.

Advanced Active/Passive Safety Technologies Act As One

In an effort to create a more intelligent vehicle, Lexus has combined advanced active and passive safety technology into one integrated system. This achieves rapid response that helps predict situations and implement actions, which will help to assist the driver and passengers at an even higher level.

Among the new active features on the LS is the next generation Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) stability system, which integrates and manages a new Electronically Controlled Brake (ECB) system, Electronic Power Steering (EPS), Vehicle Stability Control (VSC), Antilock Braking System (ABS), Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD) and engine torque via the electronically controlled throttle. Monitoring a variety of sensors, the system anticipates the onset of a vehicle skid or slide while cornering and then helps correct the situation with a combination of braking, throttle and steering control in a way that is essentially transparent to the driver. The new VDIM system gathers data from more sources, processed earlier and faster than in previous designs, which helps make the system even more seamless and effective. VSC can be turned off by the driver via the Trac Off button. Overall, there are eight standard airbags, with maximum of eleven airbags with option packages.

Enhanced Tranquility

The first generation LS set new standards in cabin tranquility, and the new fourth generation continues the heritage of this flagship luxury sedan. As noise can be reduced by suppressing vibration, advanced analysis was used to source unwanted vibrations, and a body structure was created to generate counter vibrations, thus canceling out the unwanted noise.

The interior cabin of the LS demanded not only exceptional silence, but the quality of the sounds had to be pleasing to the occupants. Extensive study was done to ensure the sound emanating from the doors when opening and closing had a sense of luxury reminiscent of skillfully crafted wood doors in a home.

The LS also features a number of power functions to create a sense of hospitality, yet the sheer number of motors could have decreased the pleasant surroundings of the hushed cabin. This was minimized by targeting an optimized tone from each motor and achieving the objective via high-precision assembly parts and processes. One example is new one-touch power window motors that reduce speed near their closure to lower noise and create a more pleasant sound.

Luxury Redefined with Unique Hospitality

The new LS approaches comfort and convenience from a new angle, redefining luxury. This was accomplished with an ideal mix of technology and evocative design, creating an experience of welcoming hospitality that makes passengers feel like they are traveling in a private jet.

The long-wheelbase LS 460 L brings with it 4.8 inches of additional space and a long list of outstanding standard conveniences, including Gen 5 Lexus Navigation with XM factory-installed satellite radio with real-time traffic, climate-controlled front seats, heated rear seats, a new heated steering wheel, power rear sunshade, a new one-touch open/close power trunk, power door closers, headlamp washers, and laminated side glass, which is exclusive to the long wheelbase.

The Luxury Package includes upgraded semi-aniline leather with leather trim door armrests, an ecsaine headliner, power rear seats with power and memory headrests, rear climate-controlled seats, and rear side-impact airbags. A Rear Seat Upgrade package features dual-zone rear air conditioning with air purifier and additional rear air ducts, added wood trim, rear cool box, rear power-door sunshades, and rear audio controls.

A sport-tuned air suspension highlights the Touring Package, which incorporates 19-inch five-spoke wheels and summer tires, Variable Gear Ratio Steering (VGRS), and high-friction-coefficient brake pads with larger rotors. The Executive Class Seating Package includes a rear-seat entertainment system featuring the world’s first ceiling-mounted 3.0 VGA high-quality display with a nine-inch screen, which operates with an electronic-motor open/close function. In addition, a four-zone independent front and rear A/C with air purification and the world’s first ceiling climate diffusers, rear-door power sunshades with a fixed rear console and foldout table, and a right rear-seat recliner with ottoman leg rest. A multi-function massage feature includes an enhanced massage mode for the right-rear seat. Created through the use of eight small airbags operated by a compressor in the trunk, it can be used separately or in conjunction with the seat heater and cooler.

While the standard rear seat has a built-in 28-degree angle, the available ottoman seat reclines up to 45 degrees with Lexus’ first upper-back recliner featuring a 17-degree angle adjustment. In addition, the available left-rear power seat also reclines 38 degrees, and the rear seat moves front to back approximately three inches. The climate control is further upgraded with three infrared sensors located in the headliner that measure the lap, upper body and seat on each side and then adjust airflow appropriately.

The LS steering wheel was designed to achieve unprecedented feel, comfort and a luxurious image. Genuine leather trim is buffed twice the norm to create a supple touch; water-based dye is utilized for a more natural feel. A whip-stitch pattern is incorporated to ensure a smooth wheel without any unevenness or jumps in the stitch. In addition, Lexus created a revolutionary new steering-wheel heating mechanism to provide warmth the moment the button is pressed with no variation in temperature regardless of where the wheel is gripped.

The new Navigation system includes a hard disk drive (HDD) for faster calculations and the Bluetooth® technology features voice input of telephone numbers while driving. The HDD computer hard drive dedicates a portion of its capacity for navigation when equipped with the Mark Levinson® system to store as many as 2,000 digital songs. An auxiliary jack located in the front center console allows for iPod or MP3/WMA capable digital music players while a new specially developed 19-speaker Mark Levinson® Reference Surround sound audio system is available, creating a new benchmark for automotive sound systems with its theater-level entertainment experience.

The all-new LS sedans offer the Advanced Parking Guidance System (APGS) as an option to assist with parallel and back-in parking. Once the driver has correctly positioned the car and identified the desired parking spot via the Nav screen, APGS utilizes the back-up camera and the parking sonar sensors and electric power steering system to automatically guide the car into the spot, while the driver controls speed via braking.

The new LS includes an intelligent Adaptive Front lighting System (AFS), which allows both the inbound and outbound headlights to swivel in the direction of a turn. A new automatic electric parking brake system, which eliminates the chore of pressing a foot-operated pedal, is standard for added comfort and convenience.

The 2007 Lexus LS 460 and LS 460 L, which go on sale in October 2006, will represent a strong value in their segments with dynamic styling, advanced technologies, increased size, and improved performance and craftsmanship. More photos of this and other cars in our show photo galleries...

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AlexTxAlexTx - 8/24/2006 4:49:11 PM
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I'm surprised the trunk still uses these hinges found on a Toyota. Why can't they put struts?
They would give the car more opening and more loading capacity.
The camera is a little bit of a let down.
Where are the lines that turn when you turn the steering wheel?
You can't even see the bumber or tells you how close you are to the bumper..too bad.


Sauceboy01Sauceboy01 - 8/24/2006 5:11:46 PM
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not diggin this car at all. I agree it looks like someone stuch a straw in the current CHEAP looking LS and blew some air.

Definitely better than the old LS, but nothing up to par comparably to it's German competition.

NEXT!


Jay7Jay7 - 8/24/2006 5:31:40 PM
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I really like this design by Lexus. It has a quiet but luxurious look about it. I don't need to say much about the engineering, you all have read the articles. Some of the competitors, "I feel," are trying a litle to hard to catch eyes (i.e. S550 fenders). But this, its very tasteful and it has that look that appeals to the young, as well as the older.

If I had/could make changes I would change the wheels and the back lights. I like the design of the lights but they look dull. Other than that, this car is a winner.

What's the msrp?


LexusLexus - 8/24/2006 5:35:16 PM
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When you look at the MB CLS from the rear it remind me of the 2005 Honda Accord Coupe.

Lexus


lexusis350lexusis350 - 8/24/2006 6:09:53 PM
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I bet Mercedes doesn't put that much work into just the paint job alone. This is exactly why Lexus is the ultimate luxury vehicle brand. Not only are they engineered for reliability, luxury, and performance, but they put time into the car to make it more enjoyable for the passengers. Something that I know from experience that Mercedes doesn't do. This, if even possible, is a HUGE improvement over the old LS 430.


LexusKindaGuy12LexusKindaGuy12 - 8/24/2006 6:55:51 PM
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OH, another worlds first in that article.

ceiling climate diffuser!


EL34EL34 - 8/24/2006 8:05:50 PM
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The brand new Toy/Lex LS460 is a genuine hodgepodge of styling.

It's a little bit BMW and a little bit Mercedes Benz, but it is not original looking and never will be.

It's reliable and that is all.


AUDIMAN4AUDIMAN4 - 8/24/2006 8:51:22 PM
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I fail to see what's so special about this car. The tach and speedometer display looks cheap for a car in this price range.

The interior looks to be of the same quality as an IS. It doesn't look much improved over the previous generation, which wasn't bad, but far from class leading.

Look Autospies, we all know Lexus gives you big bucks to promote their products through their famous "advertise to the impressionable masses" campaign, but here it won't work.



clsboyclsboy - 8/24/2006 9:04:02 PM
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I have an issue with the paint!!!.. It may look good but, one little ding then what???... I would like to meet the body shop guy who would replicate the "robotic multidimensional buffing". I can see more of these cars being totalled from minor taps in traffic.


Agent001Agent001 - 8/24/2006 9:06:33 PM
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Audiman,

Yes they do buy ad space on our site but you should know by now that no one buys our opinions...we tell it like it is, good or bad.

They're making the best built cars in the world...give them their due credit.

You may like the drive of a BMW or an Audi better but that doesn't mean they don't build an awesome car.

001


AUDIMAN4AUDIMAN4 - 8/24/2006 9:18:39 PM
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I think that's quite a lofty, and might I add, arrogant comment to make--to claim Lexus builds the best cars in the world.

Under which pretense would you come to such a ridiculous conclusion? Could it be Lexus US sales? We've already had several discussions about marketing and the its effects on the US market.

Could it be quality? Possibly, but again, we've discussed the problems associated with JD Powers and the like when it comes to the means by which they determine problems.

I don't think Lexus builds anything but a spruced up Toyota, and I think most here would agree.


wwwwwwww - 8/24/2006 10:04:51 PM
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too much hype
not enough substance
conventional, conservative design in hopes to play it safe.


TheGeniusTheGenius - 8/24/2006 10:11:24 PM
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I'm sure it will reliable, but I can't get over the bland styling. It lacks the sort of presence a premium Luxury car should exudes..


chewychewy - 8/24/2006 10:17:59 PM
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Some of those buttons look cheap.


hotdoghotdog - 8/24/2006 10:19:11 PM
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That is a little strange to have the engine covered in plastic. Since when do people who buy expensive cars not want to look at thier beloved engine?


starfoxstarfox - 8/24/2006 11:16:31 PM
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Car and Driver got it right when it said of the new GS: "It is too subtle for the talking primates who buy cars" The same applies to the LS. The understated yet sublime lines that grace the new LS will no doubt go over the head of the masses of head-butting primates who talk of big engines, and cars with big wheels with "lottsa grip, and feel, and excitement" Clearly there's no shortage of those types on this site


mstangpny07mstangpny07 - 8/24/2006 11:25:43 PM
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I like the grey one! (color I mean)
1st row, all the way right.


silverarrow2silverarrow2 - 8/24/2006 11:33:47 PM
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I am sorry Autospies, without the Acura tail pipe, this is just another blown Camery when you look at from behind. Maybe when those LDs come on at night it might look a bit better.


InfinibenzInfinibenz - 8/25/2006 2:12:01 AM
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As much as people here bash the MB S-class and the BMW 7-series, it all falls on deaf ears as those two luxury cars are selling better than they've ever had in the past. Do the supposed 'quality' issues that are claimed by the biased JD Powers reports make a difference? No. Do the angled, edgy body panels and over-sized rear ends keep people away? No. Does the lack of the Lexus-type serene, pillowed ride keep people from setting foot into an MB or BMW? No.

So what makes those cars sell if many here, including the financially compensated 001, think the Lexus is the creme de la creme of luxury cars? I'll tell you what it is. It's the radical, no holds barred, over the edge design force of the Germans. It's the aggressive ride and sportiness of the BMW 750iL. It's the technological tour de force of the Mercedes Benz S550. It's the ability to conjure up an excessive quantity of centrifugal force around the cervical spine of a passerby as he or she futily attempts to catch a brief glimpse of the German glory that stimulated their retina for oh that brief moment in time before it roars into the distance... into the past.

The Lexus is very well built and has a ton of very cool options. That is undeniable. But what it lacks is the distinction, the aura, the spirit, the wow-factor that can alienate it from its progenitor, Toyota, into the luxury realm that it has unsuccessfully yearned for the past 17 years of existence. Not only does it fall short... way short of the standards that BMW, MB, Bentley, Rolls-Royce, etc have achieved, it barely leaps ahead of the Avalon from which its exterior design cues and the 1991 Lexus LS400 from which its interior design elements originate.

Just as the VW Phaeton was an outstandingly well equiped 'luxury' car, the LS460 with a Toyota badge would also suffer the same fate. However, it is the big 'L' emblem on the rear deck and the unknowledgable Lexus minions that keeps this company successful as well as complacent... unfortunately very complacent and very mediocre and that's just too bad because this company has the potential for greatness... it's just too bad....


CarNutCarNut - 8/25/2006 6:58:17 AM
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I'd think good of it if it was better than the pheaton leaving the german three alone on top, but it looks as plain as soup.
Good car no doubt, but it would be my last choice if i was buying a luxury car


CarNutCarNut - 8/25/2006 7:01:42 AM
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Best build????--thats too big a claim


LokiLoki - 8/25/2006 11:14:10 AM
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A very expensive Camry. Comment about "souless Jap" is a bit harsh.


DieterDieter - 8/25/2006 11:25:33 AM
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wow it looks ugly!! and thentey compare this to a maybach?! HA HA HA


MercBasherMercBasher - 8/25/2006 11:25:39 AM
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I think within six months the LS will be the best selling large luxury sedan in the US. Knowledgeable people have left Mercedes by the thousands and delight in Lexus luxury, service and quality.

However I am not 100% a fan of the new LS. Two things concern me
(i.) The interior does not seem to be a big advance over previous Lexus design themes
(ii.) The front end is kind of boring, the same way that the soon-to-be-released Merc CL front end is also boring. I think the problem on both is the headlights. The CL lights look copied from the Scion tC and the Lexus headlights could have been more dramatically styled into the bodywork.


EL34EL34 - 8/25/2006 12:50:12 PM
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Lexus said, "When you look at the MB CLS from the rear it remind me of the 2005 Honda Accord Coupe".

And every Japanese car out there is still trying to look like the MB 300E.




LexloverLexlover - 8/25/2006 1:58:05 PM
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Looks awesome much better than BMW


lexusis350lexusis350 - 8/25/2006 4:18:34 PM
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EL34:

I guess this means that Honda is better than Mercedes too. If they can sell an Accord Coupe for half the price that looks the same as a CLS, I'll take the Accord Coupe over the CLS (like any sane person would).


RupertRupert - 8/25/2006 5:12:12 PM
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i realise now what people mean when they say it's bland, it does look exactly like the original.....
seriously, they should change something!


answeranswer - 8/25/2006 5:17:38 PM
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The "soul" of a Lexus comes from those that design and engineer a machine that quite simply works when it is needed. In that respect, both BMW and Mercedes are severly lacking in the "soul" department.


cbro980cbro980 - 8/25/2006 7:47:53 PM
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It is very interesting to note that only Lexus gets trashed by the German car owners. BMW, Audi and MB do not get the same BS from the Asian car owners even though they have more than enough faults to poke at. To me, this says that the German people see Lexus and their super quality and high sales and resales as a real threat as MB et all in all their years in the market cannot match the dependibility of a 15 year old make. So it appears that BMW really does stand for "Bitch Moan & Whine" and MB for "More Bitching". You can be sure that if Lexus wasn't a threat, the biching, moaning and whining would not be worth their"too much time on my hands" time. Suffer guys, nothing you can say will deter the people who love quality, quietness and value.


I95SPEEDINGTICKETSI95SPEEDINGTICKETS - 8/25/2006 8:14:19 PM
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AUDIMAN4
The title reads "THE BEST BUILT CAR"
001 said "BEST BUILT CARS IN THE WORLD"

Neither comment said the "BEST CAR"

There is a significant difference between the first 2 and the 3 quote, why dont you read and understant comments before you start with your rubbish.


cbro980cbro980 - 8/25/2006 8:41:43 PM
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Will
AMEN


cbro980cbro980 - 8/25/2006 8:42:44 PM
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Will, you forgot MB, they are almost as arrogant as BMW and Audi


EL34EL34 - 8/25/2006 8:52:30 PM
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If ToyLex went to all that trouble to redesign this car you would think they would have have at least made it look better than the BMW 7 series?

And I would take a MB CLS over the LS460 any day of the week just based on sex appeal.

And what's up with that giant corded remote control in the back seat?... looks like a controller for the first video game called Pong back in the early 70's !!!


answeranswer - 8/25/2006 11:04:06 PM
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"If ToyLex went to all that trouble to redesign this car you would think they would have have at least made it look better than the BMW 7 series?"

I guess Lexus didn't use the 7 series as a baseline in the way that Mercedes did when designing the interior on their new S Class. If an evolutionary or directly copied design theme is what you desire, looks like you will find the new LS a dissapointment.



JUGNUJUGNU - 8/26/2006 6:15:41 AM
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I think me and many others have posted many posts on this new LS blogs.Now something strong,some conclusions.

1)New LS has the world best technical and Mechanical system:
4.6l emgine producing 380HP and 380 pound-feet of torque mated with the world's first 8 speed automatic.

2)New LS has the highest standards of Luxury,safety and options.Something that is found in the cars costing 3 to 4 times as much(Maybach)

So NEW LS has more performance and Luxury that it can also be classifies into the ultra luxury segment.But if we put it in a step lower class 'the Full size Luxury sedan' (due to it's price and size) than it will no doubt be at the top spot.

So this is what i think the segment goes.
LS Series > S CLASS > 7 SERIES > A8 SERIES.

S Class, second because after so many yeras of experience and tradition they were unable to make out their own interior,completely lifted from 7 series infact they also copied the i drive.
By doing this they completely lost their identity even their trademark gear lever.
Even they should know by this time that a Fender flare or wheel arch never implies Luxury,it's a sign of ruggeddness or roughness.

7 series, third because BMW have taken a very odd approch for it's design.The LOVE-IT or HATE-IT approch.
Companies and that too like BMW should not or don't afford to try new approches that too for their Flagship sedan.
Resulting in a car which is compleltey different from it's predecessor.Coustomers are confused and don't know where the company's design direction is heading towards.

Audi A8,third becuase when all other COMPETITORS are touching 360s and 380s HPs they r still lagging behing and floating in the 330s.
They also made their new trade mark recently 'the single frame grille'(Which Audi says means NEW MODELS)By the way it's ugly and on that they are implying it to all their models,resulting new models/shapes like A3,A4 and A8 became old.

So all my postmates/freinds, every automaker have their issues.We should not just keep on bashing them.Especially Japaneese are the ones in this site whose getting the maximum heat.

So i can only say this to you all that COME-ON,GROW UP LETS START SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
LET'S IMPROVE THE SITE AND IT'S STANDARDS OF INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATION.
I HAVE NOTICE THAT MANY NEW PEOPLE COME TO THIS SITE,BUT WHEN THEY SEE THE TYPE OF ARGUMENTS/POSTS(MORE LIE,LESS TRUTH,ONLY OPINIONS AND NO FACTS/FIGURES)
THEY JUST LEAVE.

I AM SURE EVEN U GUYS ARE ALREADY BORED FROM THIS TYPE OF INTERACTIONS.

JUGNU----->THE CARMAN


EL34EL34 - 8/26/2006 11:10:23 AM
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Lexus is for ladies and for those types of girlymen.

Real women & men drive MB, BMW and Audi's.

Carry on.


robbzzrobbzz - 8/26/2006 11:57:45 AM
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Boring interior and exterior, dull gauges.


EL34EL34 - 8/26/2006 12:19:27 PM
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Look at the way that rear bumper attaches with that loop?

It does not look like something on a luxury car because it looks gimmicky like on a Subaru.

BMW 7 Series is a work of art compared to this hodgepodge Toyota.


starfoxstarfox - 8/26/2006 12:22:36 PM
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i dont know why so many say here say the LS is bland. To me, bland = entire range of audi sedans; the a4, a6 have no visual flair at all, while the IS and GS look agressive and sporty. And lets not even talk of the A8, the undisputed king of bland, with an interior that is fit for carrying a bunch of geriatrics.


LexusKindaGuy12LexusKindaGuy12 - 8/26/2006 5:58:32 PM
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i dont see the blandness at all. its okay, we fans should not waste our breath arguing until are fingers are struck with arthritis because clearly, none of this is going through into their minds. THey are too stubborn.

I will agree with one thing, the gauges do look surprising dull after the amazing job they did with the IS, and the ES.

Did you guys see the stitching they did on the leather on the doors...its so finely crafted that nothing stands infront of this car. THere is going to be a long line for these cars and to me, who freaken cares what you guys think. lots of other people think that lexus is prestigious, and when i drive on the street, i get comments all the time about the technology in my SUV. So who cares? as long as there are lexus fans out there who know that the "best" car in this segment is the LS


Matthew1Matthew1 - 8/26/2006 11:05:28 PM
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Comic Sans font on the gauges? Classy.

In isolation the interior of this car is good. Not innovative, not particularly stylish, but good.

However, everyone seems to have forgotten the S-Class. that car, in my opinion, has much finer detailing and is much more classy in its feel and design. I will also say that I honestly do not believe that the S-Class dashboard was inspired by BMW.

I tend to see it as a creative coincidence. In very basic terms they are similar, but the execution of both is world's apart.

Anyway, I still believe the S-Class is the king of the segment. We can all agree that the LS is a good car, but it is too compromised.

The S-Class has much wider appeal, as it ticks more of the boxes expected in the luxury-car segment. It has the refinement and ride quality, it has the elegant styling (Seriously, it's on-road presence is amazing), it has a sumptuous interior with the detailing of a hand-crafted suit, and it has an agile chassis to boot (Something which I believe is a luxury feature).

The Lexus fails in the driving department. I'm talking body control around corners, and precise steering. Yo would think that a flagship car would excel to some degree in all areas. The LS doesn't.

And I can't help thinking the LS doesn't look or feel special enough to be in the segment. The interior is architecturally the same as the GS, while the exterior is reserved to the point of invisibility.

You have to wonder, after the hype over the 8-speed gearbox and Hybrid power train wears off, where does that leave the LS?

It's merits just don't stack up against the talented S-Class.



answeranswer - 8/27/2006 12:19:01 AM
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What good are the features on an S Class when malfunction renders them useless?

I'm not saying the new S class is not a good car, but it sure isn't doing anything the new LS does. And, the LS will continue to do those things for years to come.

A lot of you here are underestimating the value of reliability and aging well. To those, I recommend taking a 1994 example of both a MB S class and Lexus LS. You will be able to see what you really pay for when you buy a car for reasons of status vs. quality.


Matthew1Matthew1 - 8/27/2006 12:26:43 AM
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Ageing well?

The LS will date quicker than milk on a hot day.

And don't underestimate Mercedes-Benz quality. Their recent publicised problems haven't gone unnoticed by the carmaker.

And the S-Class handles. The LS doesn't.


Matthew1Matthew1 - 8/27/2006 1:00:05 AM
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Will,

I constantly hear you refer to the Nissan Altima when you talk about the S-Class's styling. Seeing as I don't get the Nissan Altima where I live, and don't know what it looks like, I just assumed you were making witty comments comparing the S-Class to an Altima.

Then I thought to myself, let's go and Google 'Nissan Altima' and see what Will's on about.

Sure enough, I found a good, clear picture of a Nissan Altima.

And now I get the joke. Actually, your joke stinks. You could have at least found a car that looks like the new S-Class.

I think you were just lazy, so you just went with whatever your neighbour had parked on the drive.

Something tells me you need an eye examination, or some sort of comedic course.

Sort yourself out.


Matthew1Matthew1 - 8/27/2006 2:16:59 AM
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Nissan doesn't have much presence on Mars, hence their lack of model choice.


EL34EL34 - 8/27/2006 1:55:25 PM
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LS460 poor thing can't help it, it's so ugly.

Slab siding doesn't do it for me.


MarkMark - 8/28/2006 3:47:17 PM
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There are some of us that do like the simplistic look and elegance that Lexus has in their designs. This new LS460 is a perfect example of a nice simple but fresh design.

It will sell and it doesn't matter how many people on this site argue about it and say it won't. The people that will buy it for one don't care about these petty remarks (001 don't delete this one), and care about good reliable cars. Are BMW and MB reliable in their own right, sure they are.

Simple is sometimes better.


ThaDRDThaDRD - 8/30/2006 2:34:45 AM
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I own a pristine 1993 LS400 and it is a modern classic. This car (first generation LS) is so well built it embarasses many NEW cars to this day. People can never believe they are looking at a 13 year old car. It's the car that undeniably made the German's wake up.

Just when you think Lexus can't get any better, they do and they do it by challenging themselves to do so.


bartkatbartkat - 9/1/2006 11:32:19 AM
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I can't believe some of the comments in this thread, but I guess they are the sort of things that would be hard to make up.


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