DETROIT AUTO SHOW: LEAKED! FIRST FULL Image Of The Lexus RC F Snapped From Far East Publication — Is This IT?

For sheer styling impact it makes the Germans look bland by comparison. Cue vociferous protests from the German fanboys...go!

I like it but about the styling, I am not sure this is competing against a C63, M3 or S4. It seems to me this is competing against the likes of a 370Z or Subaru BRZ/WRX. This car is an "in your face" type of car, calling for attention, definetly for a "badgewhore" type of individual or raceboy "Fast & Furious type. Not that their is anything wrong with that but not me. I hope the regular model is a lot more subtle, since I am looking for coupe as my next car.

You should really come back when you know how to spell the words. Their? You mean there. And definitely, not definetly.

And if you see Lexus as such a low class brand like that, then I guess you buying Lexus pretty much shows how low your self-esteem is overall. I guess you are too poor to own a German car, and always jealous of those German car owners, and wish you had one yourself but you can't, so you ended up buying a Lexus, which you do not even like.

And can you tell me how this car exactly can be compared to BRZ or 370Z, when both of those cars' hp are not even close to this beast?

Well, if you consider my $110K Base salary, $25K Bonus and $52K military pension as being poor, I guess I am too poor to afford them. BTW I have owned a C230 Sport and a 325i both purchased new. Before I forget, because I am so poor I also purchased a TOUAREG for my wife and MINI for my daughter (both already paid off) and yes, that is Machu Picchu in my picture where we spend the holidays this year. How about you?

Oh, let's see.

You think Touareg, C class, 3 series and MINI are considered as cars for the rich people.

Am I getting this right? I mean, what kind of people usually buy something like a C CLASS? 3 SERIES? Why not an AMG model? Or M3? And instead of VW, why not an AUDI? Ever heard of it before?

And MINI. Really? I mean, really? It's like, you are telling someone "I can afford a Toyota Camry. And Toyota Highlander. Oh look! I am rich!"

Friend. I would brag, when you "actually" have something to brag about. I like your honesty, but if you are going to brag, oh please, don't just tell someone "I used to own a 3 series before!" because picture this. How many Porsche 911 or BMW M5 owners would actually think you are "rich"?

And you were in Machu Picchu. Oh great. So you went somewhere. But why am I not really impressed? Could it be that I do not really care about it?


I do not exactly understand if you actually ENVY the European brands or not. And I sincerely do not understand why such high salary of yours is only getting you a C Class.

And I take it that you actually used to be in the military, and I take it that is the U.S. military.

....have you no shame? Even though I have no right to give you a lecture on patriotism, as you fully have the right to enjoy anything that is out there, but really? You basically mainly purchased all those low-end European brand cars like MINI and VW, and the cheapest cars available in the most famous premium European brands like Mercedes and BMW.

No American? Ever considered one? Or do you believe you are someone too special to drive something like an American car? This trend that I see, is very scary. I'm scared of the fact that more and more Americans just keep assuming that Made in USA = Made in China. What happened to America?

And we Americans wonder why the rich always worship the European brands and see the American brands as trash.

Buddy, let me tell you about my family and I since I think you are not reading us correctly. We are not rich, we are wealthy (hard working upper middle class-the ones with huge tax bills at the end of the year) but we don't brag about it. The only reason I mentioned it is because you claimed that I cannot afford a German luxury brand. Another thing, I know that I can afford better cars and probably a bigger house but we are not the type of people (the ones keeping up with the Joneses). Maybe that is why we carry almost no debt and have pleanty of disposable income unlike most Americans which is the main reason why this economy tanked! Like people buying items (cars/homes) that they really cannot afford, people that think exactly like you.
About the cars, my wife wanted an SUV. She drove almost all of them and was between an X5 and a Q7. She liked the RX but I we have over 50 just in my neighbourhood, she didn't liked that. The Q7 was too expensive and her best friend has an X5. As for my daughter's MINI, I showed her a JETTA, GTI, MAZDA 6, HONDAs and so on but guess what she liked "because it was cute" a MINI. Well, that is what I got her. No critical thinking, Consumer Reports or trying to "show off" when we made our car purchases. No magical formula or being biased, just selecting what we liked and thought it was fuctional.
As for American cars, my wife used to have a Pontiac Bonneville SSE, really nice car until it reached a 100K miles and the transmission blew and the A/C stopped working. I would consider an American truck but not so sure about the cars yet; eventhough the new CTS and ATS are growing on me. BTW you and others are free to come down to JAX and I will take you to lunch anytime since I am not hiding behind a computer screen.
And please don't mention PATRIOTISM, I cannot stand people talking about it when they have not done anything for this country.

You are the one who did not read my statements correctly.

Your opinion was that if someone is against Mercedes, then is most likely because he is jealous of it, as he can not afford one. And now it seems all you could afford was a C class. Do you see the problem here? You were acting all cocky, all just because you can afford a Mercedes...."C" Class. And of course Q7 is too expensive for you, and I know that you are most likely debtless as you don't seem to be spending a lot.

Meaning, if you are in reality, unable to buy something like a Q7, then stop bragging, because you don't really have anything to brag about, and if all you can afford is something like a 3 series and C class, then stop mocking Lexus, as you are no richer nor more wealthier than the average owners of Lexus brand anyway. I mean, are you? You yourself own a Lexus? I know you don't like it, but you still own one?

The reason why I am thinking the way like many Americans do, is because you SOUNDED like one. I on the other hand do not spend a lot on cars. I would drive a 10k Ford or GMC truck any day without a problem.

Lunch? Sorry, I would if you were a female. But not with some sweaty dude like yourself.

And do you think only the military men have the right to talk about patriotism? Oh boy. Then I guess most of the U.S. politicians have no right to talk about patriotism, then. Am I right?

My point is that the people like you are the problem with America today. You wish to call yourself rich (Or wealthy) and in the end, all you worry about is how good your life is.

The Americans always complain about the interior of old Corvettes, or GMC trucks, when I never thought there was anything wrong with their plastic-y interior. This is most likely because they think every car should look all nice, like Audi or something. The Americans are way too spoiled today.

Detroit bankrupted, and many U.S. cities are not in a good condition. All thanks to such strong individualism that is deep-rooted in our society today.

Where is America going?

We are the problem in America today? People that are financially responsible, live below their means, educated and don't expect any assistance from the government? I bet you are on the Obama bandwagon, hating on the rich.
You do understand that because people decide to buy a S-Class vice a C-Class it does NOT mean that they are any richer (in most cases)? Have you ever read "The Millionaire Next Door? I don't think you do understand the meaning of being wealthy or how to get there. Do you know the difference between rich and wealthy? Just because I said its too expensive, it does not mean that I cannot afford it. What it means is that we prefer to use that additional money for investments such as real estate, IRSa/401ks and other vehicles that will appreciate in value. I might sound cocky because I have been blessed with a good career in the military (CDR USN Retired), have good career at a great company, beautiful wife and daughter which in reality all they worry about is how good their life is (yes you got us there).
And yes most politicians are full of it, very few have family members that have actually served, is people like myself that volunteer to fight for this country so people like you can have freedom of speech and can talk or the smack they want. It seems to me that you are hating on the people that by your defition are rich "they have expensive cars", is it envy? It does seem like it.

What I also find funny is that you would judge people's wealth based on the car they drive. I bet you have not learned anything from the past 5 years. Do you have a family or any responsibilities? What do you do for a living?
As for the LEXUS, I admit its a great car but I had other options that I thought were better but more expensive. A brand new LS460 for $57K? I wasn't passing on that deal. I am not mocking LEXUS, just stating a fact. This is why people like you have to be here everyday defending the brand because not everyone thinks the brand is at the same tier as MB, BMW and AUDI. Love or hate, that is the truth.

Once again, it seems I may not have used the most efficient words to explain, so it appears that it is utterly lost in translation.

Let me try answering that comment of yours with better words this time. First, I do not like the government, but I do not believe the American citizens have no right to gain anything from the government. You are already overtaxed, and your tax is not used efficiently. But if we can benefit from it, then it is good. Am I on Obama bandwagon? Call it what you want, and I am not sure what you mean by it, but no, I am usually not getting any kind of assistance from the government, maybe I am, but nothing too big that I am aware of.

You don't really need to lecture me on the definition of the words, as I was fully aware of what you were trying to say. No offense, but I am "overeducated" to consider a military man "educated". So, you went to an academy. Hmm, am I supposed to be impressed?

The very thing that I was telling you, was that you "wish" to call yourself "wealthy". Now, you are efficiently defending your term "wealthy", but before then, you were miserably failing to do so. You were so angry over the word "poor", you were telling me how you could afford a 3 series, C class, MINI, and could go on a vacation. Unfortunately enough, I was not able to understand what you were trying to accomplish with those statements of yours, as we and our neighbors have multiple cars and go on a vacation every year (But I can live without a vacation to be honest). But do I call myself wealthy? Do I go around and say "Ohhh I can afford this, I can afford that! I am so blessed!"? No, because that makes me look like an idiot. But you don't seem to realize this.

I have no debt as well, and I don't really have any big issues financially. Am I wealthy?

So, if the person has never joined the military, then they have no right to talk about politics. I'm sorry, and really, I don't mean to offend you, but not all military men are intelligent enough to run this country. And just because you joined the military does not mean you fought for "me". America already has been into a lot of senseless wars, and you did not make America "any" better.

I do not agree with a lot of policies of Obama, but he may not be such a bad president after all.

Finally, some comments I can agree with. Wealth just like luxury is how you define it. I don't like talking about money and I don't like bragging about the things I have but I didn't like what you implied about what I can and cannot afford. Looks can be very deceiving. I am telling you, I have the smallest house in my street, all of us take multiple vacations per year and most have nice cars but I know some of them are full of debt and earn less money than I do. How they do it? I don't know. My goal is to be financially secured and fully retired at a younger age than most, then I will think about buying that 911.
As for the military comments maybe you misuderstood me. Anyone is free to talk about politics and patriotism. I just hate when people talk about patriotism freely without really doing anything (military, volunteering and so on) to better this country. I cannot stand politicians regardless of party. Eventhough I consider myself a Moderate Republican I still like a few of the things that Obama has done. One thing that I don't like is this battle of the haves and have nots. My tax bill last year was a little over $35K, that after numerous deductions, I am getting tired of supporting some of these people.

Now, there we go. I knew you could understand, as it seemed like you are truly in charge of your life fully, and are able to efficiently use the money that you make. Because you make around 200k, which is a decent amount of money, and unfortunately, not many Americans are able to make this kind of money in the current economic situation, which truly saddens me.

Now I understand. You do not exactly see nationalism nor such, concepts and ideas when purchasing vehicles. I fully understand.

But you just have to give this idea a chance. This country is sick, and economically totally struggling. I really wish more and more upper middle class families like yourself would give the American brands a chance. Did you know 70% of luxury brands in the world come from Europe? I just wonder myself, about how much of 30% in that, is from America.

I don't blame you to think the way that you do, as there indeed are many people who freely talk about patriotism. I myself am not interested in military, but I contribute in the way that I could.

Even though some of things I have said may have sounded quite harsh towards you, I have to say, I believe there are things that many Americans could learn from you.

Because really, this country just overspends.

It's such a beautiful machine.

I mean, Lexus. This is truly one of the best things in life.

Looks good from the front. Personally I think it looks better than the current gen 3 and 4 series. I thought the previous gen bmws look better. They have gone down hill in terms of design. Mercedes on the other hand is heading in the right direction in the CLA and new C. Just my 2 cents.

Looks badass. Hopefully the performance matches the look. Definitely an attention-getting car, which is a plus. If you want anonymity I think that's what Audi and BMW have really nailed down recently, and competing with that is pointless.

Definitely growing on me!

While I certainly appreciate Lexus...have owned 2 GS models in the past...I am not sure how I feel about this locomotive-esque grill design. It translates fairly well on most of their vehicles, but on others, it looks like a bit like an add-on reminiscent of a snowplow.

As for the picture above...this looks like a Lexus front tacked on to a BMW coupe profile, IMHO.