Special Edition On The Way? Track Focused GT86 Caught Circling Nürburgring

I despise Toyota for not sweating the details of this car in the first place.

It's close to being great, but it ultimately fails to deliver. It deserved better from its manufacturer.

The GT86FRSBRZ needs wider tires, attention to shock valving, and other suspension tuning to cure its tail happiness. For novice drivers, it's theoretically unsafe because it gets the tail sideways way too easily.

I've seen novices spin out in corners. They go in too hot for the corner. The car gets tail happy. On come the brake lights (you know they slammed the pedal to the floor). And its spin spin spin in the runoff areas.

Setting it up to be more neutral would probably make it faster at the track.

If you know how to drive, it's fun--but SLOW--to drift in.

A boost of 50 in hp and torque would make it a relevant player as would some seriously larger brakes. As it is it feels like a sporty car that got out of the prototype stage before the chassis was sorted out.

The FRS can be fixed in the aftermarket, but the issue is that a new car should not need fixing.

It's begging for greatness, but so far Toyota hasn't shown much interest in making it truly great. This should have been a modern day 240Z but instead it's a rehash of the Miata.

Come on Toyota/BMW fix this car!

Matt I am not sure in Texas but here in Florida they are not selling well. I don't think people want this car, they should had built a legitimate sport car, like a SUPRA.

Here in Bakersfield there are left over 2013s on the lot. Having Subaru engineer a rear wheel drive sports car when Subaru has no experience doing that was a DUMB move on Toyota's part. This should have been designed as a Celica (4 cylinder) and renosed as a Supra (V6). That was what Toyota used to do with the Celica and Supra and it makes sense. Celica at $25-35K and the Supra at $35-45K. Toss in a V8, reskin it create a Lexus "F Type" for $45-60K.

Styling is also a head scratcher. It's not ugly, but neither is it impactful (sic) like the new Mustang. It has some odd elements like Subaru styled it but it's also so dull in so many ways that it screams Toyota. It's like a Camry which has good proportions but the styling is oddly dull.

Subaru engineering a RWD car is not the BRZ/FT86's problem!

The problem with the car is that it is overpriced from Toyota and then the dealerships added their own special tax.

Price this car at $19,000, and they would not be able to keep them in stock.

@MorePower that is BELOW the real dealer invoice. And YES this is a mess because Subaru designed a vehicle they had no experience in. Their lack of understanding how a RWD coupe should be is EVIDENT if you know how to drive cars at the limit. The chassis is NEVER settled.

No Matt.

No one cares, except for you, that Subaru designed a RWD car. Many people have wanted a RWD only version of the Wrx or STi.

Tell me, what RWD Toyotas have you driven recently . . . your mother's Tacoma or the one in Forza you play on your buddy's Xbox?

The fact that you base the poor/slowing sales of the BRZ/FR-S on Subaru, instead on their uncompetitive price only shows people your automotive ignorance or the fact that you are probably 13.

@MorePower I have driven the FRS and the last Supra, the one before it, as well the Corolla GTS our version of the "hachiroku". The Supras and the Corolla are much better behaved. By your logic, it would make perfect sense for Land Rover to suddenly build a rear wheel drive sports car despite Jaguar having more experience. The same is true for Subaru and Toyota respectively.

Your land rover argument is pathetic! We are not talking about brand perception. You know who buys Toyota's, old people! Why would someone want to buy a youth oriented car from a company whose customers typically have an age closer to death than puberty?

Subaru has championship racing experience. Aside from the turbo motor in the Supra and MR2 and the LF-A, Toyota has nothing on Subaru when it concerns driving fun. If Toyota could have built the BRZ/FR-S/FT86 without Subaru, they would have. Toyota knew they could not make this car fun to drive.

Because you still don't seem to be able to put together. $26,000 for a 200 hp car with a Toyota badge is not competitive in a market where the average American can pick up a 300 hp Mustang or a 300+ hp Camaro for less money. Hell, you can walk into a Subaru dealership and drive out in a WRX that will destroy a FR-S all day for the same amount of money, or less if you know how to haggle.

You may think you're hot shit, and by some miracle, you may be, but your reasoning skills are severely lacking!

American buyers are more concerned with stop light racing than twisties. So on multiple levels, the BRZ/FR-S is a horrible buy, considering it is a slower car.

Just because you want a FR-S, and your friend may have one, does not mean you get to cry that Subaru caused it to sell poorly.

The BRZ/FR-S is a fun car, but not worth buying at that price. There are better performing cars that cost less, have more room and are faster.

As a former road racer and Lotus owner I love light weight cars. I love my BRZ in spite of it's shortcomings. All cars are a compromise as is the Mustang, the BRZ, The 911 etc.....
Can you name another RWD coupe sports or sporty car that is below 3000 lbs?
I can't. Can you name one for under 30K? Heavy cars drive ike heavy cars. I waited 20 years for someone to offer a light weight RWD car like this. I have no brand loyalty. If someone comes out with a better platform for a price I'm willing to pay, good, I'll buy it. I don't care if it's Subaru, Toyota, Honda, Mazda or even an American company. I'm skeptical about the American companies though. I'm 62 and they haven't ever built a car for me in my life time. All toooooo heavy to consider.

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