REVIEW: Audi S3 gets panned in the UK

"Audi, while seeming to know all there is about how to make a car look right, still has something to learn about how to make them go properly too."

Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.

I personally think it's gorgeous.

The reviewer thought it was gorgeous too. That was the irony of his response on how it drove.

I guess we think the car's imperfections would somehow be altered once you put it on a boat and shipped it over to North America...?

Whatever, UK reviewers don't really like anything that isn't British. I seem to remember that the BMW Z4 M coupe got a horrible review from the same magazine.

Logical find me an article saying that the RS4 handling, ride and acceleration is sloppy. Until you find me an article I refuse to believe that the RS4 is a sloppy handling car.

Until you find me proof I won't buy a single one of your claims neither will anyone else on this site.

Your better off just not posting because you waste your time writing such utter nonsense.

Tell BMW to up their prices and then they will actually compete with Audi who has low end roots but charges a HIGHER price for its most expensive car than BMW does. The R8 is going to be faster than anything BMW produces and the interiors are better.

I think the cheapness of BMW in price and materials quality is becoming utterly apparent.

Of course those who can afford the best Audi, can't afford the best BMW right logical?

Knowing you, you would say that the person who buys the A8L 6.0 W12 for $119,350 can't afford the $118,900 760Li.

Your such a waste of time....

I LIKE IT

low end roots? oh jesus, this again.
AUDI IS NOT OWNED BY VW. Audi is partially owned by VW group, which is partially owned by porsche. if VW group was called Audi group, would that help?
then VWs would be based on audis.
or what about bentley or lamborghini group?
it's just a name.

"You could say this about every slobby Audi. You cant hide its low end roots. It shows up when it really counts."

yes, i was just driving along when all of a sudden i realised my car didn't have a propellor badge and was therefore crap.
low end roots? what low end roots?
bmw's interiors are the low end things and in case you forgot, the inside is where you spend most of your time.
when it really counts? HUH? where does "it realy count"?
waste of time? this car? the one that beats the pants off a 1 series?
it has more room, it handles better, it has a better interior, it is faster and it looks better.
why then is it a waste of time?
slobby?
how?
at least audis don't look fat, unlike most recent bmws.

and i have changed my opinion. lexus is worthy of tier 1 status. its engineering and quality gives it that privelige.
so now audi, bmw, merc and lexus are all tier one.
i may not want a lexus but they are good cars.

logical, a challenge for you.

what makes audis bad cars and not worthy of tier one status?
give me reasons.
give me facts.
give me figures.
give me proof.

i want to see why your little head thinks like that.

Logical, find me proof of a BMW 760Li that sold for $119,000. I can play the what car commanded what price game too.....

The S3 sure destroys the 1-series.

Logical, you post with your opinion. I only understand facts.....

logical is a troll; you just play into his hands every time he posts. To prove it, he/she won't provide the facts you desire.

You got it, quattro though my friend. Pretty soon a car that can fly by any car you own, Logical. The BMW 335i with new intake, exhaust and chip. Or #6 as I like to call it. What do you own your E39 M5 is rather wouldn't you say......old.

Let me hear what your lineup is and how many BMWs you've had.....

Just for the record, BMW comes out with a cheap, 1.6-powered, black plastic-clad hatch with hubcaps.

And no it's not the MINI, its the 1-series.

Internationally known as being a slow, under-performing hatch with no space and questionable quality. In essence, it has no point but to act as an ego-inflation device for the poor (literally) delusional people who throw all rationality out the window when they buy it.

Yes, BMW makes a slow, cramped and dynamically mediocre hatch.

Scandal.

Actually, when I say 'cheap', I mean 'more expensive than the roomier, faster and better-equipped competition'

Sorry for the mix-up.

"you cant be worht a conversation if youve never been n the makert of a rs4 or the super "pricey" a8?"

...and the rest of that post, please logical tell me you were drunk when you were writing that? Not that noobit's any better from any other post you make, but YOU can be taken seriously if you cant evn spel oar mak a complt sntance.

I guess no one on this site can comment or talk about any car that they aren't in the market for. Hey AS, nice to know you....see you later, my sub par life right now won't let me be in the market for half the cars we talk about. Best wishes to you.

You are such a noob.

Hey let me ask you this Logical? When you know Audi interiors are the best how come you said you wouldn't be caught dead in one. Obviously the materials quality is higher than what you will find in a comparative 3-series and the interior is obviously the best in class as noted by Edmunds. Personally I like having that advantage over BMW.

You mean what color will my 335i come in. Well considering I've already optioned the thing and given my dealer the quote, Logical. It will be montego blue (almost like LeMans) with creme beige and dark poplar wood.

Do you know if they will do piano black as an ala carte option?

Hey logical I strongly suggest you stop trolling the whole bmw thing. It's funny when someone like me who will have more bmws at one time than you will and will have double the amount of bmws you have, can write what I do about Audi.

Listen, I obviously appreciate BMW (why would we have so many if we didn't) but your calling the Audi a Jetta when in every single class the "Jettas" come with beter interiors than their comparative bmw counterparts has got to stop.

Why do you not understand that higher materials quality, finer interiors, higher prices, faster acceleration and better track times = a competing car company.

Personally, you are not worthy of BMW. The BMW CEO would be sad to see you as an owner of one of his company's automobiles. When he recognizes the fact that Audi is indeed a competing car company, and we have people like you who keep posting such nonsense it really does hurt the brand you so passionately support.

You are the epitome of the typical bmw customer mentioned in the businessweek article regarding how 75% of car shoppers overlook BMW. You bring that stigma to the brand, which is evidently hurting BMW.

I'm trying to achieve two things by posting here. The first being increased brand awareness for Audi and attempting to give them more respect and secondly, I'm trying to show you that even those people who drive bmws and no it's not a run of the mill 325i with manual seats, can and will appreciate cars from other car companies.

Logical I will laugh long and hard when your "xi" gets wrapped around a tree all because you thought BMW's AWD system was superior to Audi's Quattro.

Logical every single time you post something against Audi, I'm going to correct your statements (not to argue with you) but to raise Audi's brand awareness.

Be prepared to have all your Audi is a VW, cheap roots, sales arguements..... be corrected.

I'm going to make sure your antics stop on this website and if they don't I will simply correct them for you.

I will not sit here and watch you make a mockery of a brand that has achieved the pinnacle in automotive interiors, performance (compared to BMW) and price (also compared to BMW) and say they are Volkswagens.

I've had enough of this, and I speak for everyone else on this website as well.

I will systematically correct all your posts and I will make sure that people like you can't destroy what Audi has worked so hard for and it is about time they receive the proper recognition for doing so.

By the way I would like to mention that BMW owners are appreciatve of Audi. We will be on BMWs # 6 & 7 and I will say that I appreciate Audi, and they do truly kick our (BMW's) ass when it comes to interiors - enough said.

logical - I don't drive a jetta, and you still haven't (and won't, because you can't) told us why we have to be in the market for a certain car to be able to talk about it. Apparently the whole VAG revolves around the Jetta, hmmm...interesting.

I can't even believe you found your balls long enough to make a comment that "your banking friends" would even laugh.

I know exactly the type of person you are and I feel sorry for you.

who was trolling about this being better than the 1 series? Keep dreaming guys, no1 can beat the ultimate driving hatch back, the 1 series. logical is the only 1 logical here , lol

oh, logical is a city boy.
the definition of a bmw stereotype.
that explains the arrogance and the bmws perfectly, in fact, you are the perfect bmw driver.
the funny thing is, since you revealed you are a banker and drive a bmw, we all know exactly what you are like. an a**hole.
in england, people don't let bmw drivers out of junctions because of that.
banking friends? with that attitude, what friends?
i actually feel quite sorry for you children. (if you have any)

vw group does not own audi. audi trades seperately from vw on the stock market, at a higher price. vw group is a shareholder, not the out right owner.
i think it's funny that you think all audis revolve around the golf platform. yes all 2 audis that do, even then on a chopped and very much changed version (does the golf have any aluminium? no.)
"vw is not able to produce anything nice". ever heard of lambo or bentley? or the gti, the a8, the rs4?
and i think it is strange that you can call a 5er and 7er beautiful...

m53r, the 1 series is a horrible car.

Logical, it is people like you who slowly hurt the brand because of the stigma you attach yourself to.

Your lack of appreciation of such a brand will result in you not owning more than 10 BMWs. The only people who can acheive that are those who appreciate other brands.

Have fun owning mediocre bmws. You have an outdated M5. a 530xi (talk aout base models) and a 745Li with the fugly trunk, why don't you get the cash and get a 750????

A4 1.8T w/ quattro. Calling me an underachiever?

You are the underachiever here my friend.

325Ci
330i w/ M performance package
335i on order

X5 3.0i
X5 4.8is

750Li
750Li (a second one, on the way after the lease on the current one is up)


Our lineup stomps all over the:

E39 M5.
530xi
745Li.

Just what I didn't want to see. A BMW owner with an attitude.

Oh well, upgrade your lineup, chief. Then we'll talk......

Until then keep looking up at your colleagues on this website who have a superior lineup of cars from your favorite car company when compared to you. In the meanwhile we will look down at you, and your inferior lineup of cars.

Now how was that for being a stuck-up asshole???

Pretty good I think. Logical, how do you like the taste of your own medicine??

A little sour......

what 99 jetta? does anyone here have a jetta?
german nut has a 335 on order, an x5, an a4 something or other, and various other cars.
and you NEVER contest my arguments, as you know i'm right. vw group make good cars, nay great cars, and you can't find a reason to hate them. dislike them all you want, but don't go around making ridiculous allegations (ie vw doesn't make a good car) and expect us to take you seriously.
and FYI, i can't drive, but my first car will be the our range rover (if the insurance too much them probably a golf), my dad has a 740, my mother a 3er convertible.
in the time that i've been alive, we've had 5 bimmers, 3 mercs, 1 audi, 1 land rover, 1 porsche, 1 saab, 1 volvo and a vauxhall.
the first 7 series was terrible, and frequently melted.
the merc sl didn't work (the roof, key, engine all failed, sent it back), the 230te went on for ever (and ever and ever and ever), the 300te got stolen. the 928 need new air conditioning at about 6000 dollars (but was v quick with the 5 litre), the saab a new roof (convertible), the range rover new suspension, the volvo new tyres all the time, one 3er got stolen, the other got old. our current 3er is fine.
the audi a8 was perhaps the most trouble free of all our cars, and since we had it when i was 11, the TV function was the height of cool, and it is probably the best car we've owned.
our current 740 we've only had for about 1 month (its a 1999) and it is good. i don't hate bimmers, i hate people like you.
and having a 525 more expensive than an a6 3.0 isn't very good.

my post was posted before germannut's one just above.

and logical, its not your car preference, its your general attitude and manner of speaking.
i must live in a land of giants if i'm a midget.

Logical, please. My lineup is superior to yours. I'm sorry I don't associate myself with asshole BMW owners who don't have a lineup that is as good as mine.

Your in need of a serious upgrade. Your cars are underpowered (530xi), ugly (5-series) and old. An E39 M5 is worthless now that the E60 is out.

Logical, do you not have the cash to get the M5 and the 750Li.

Let me make clear to you: I will take your posts down one by one.

Have a fun time getting stomped on by superior BMW owners.

Logical incase you are oblivious, your 3 BMWs pale in comparison to my lineup of soon to be 6 and then 7 BMWs.

Get off this site, upgrade yourself above your measely middle-manager shithole of a position and then you can mingle with the true BMW owners, such as myself.

Also, fix your attitude about Audi and BMW and then maybe I'll take you seriously. You just might make more money so you don't look like such a tool driving a $40K E39 M5 when the E60 M5 owner points and laughs at your now worthless car.

Your a worthless BMW owner, with a shitty lineup of BMWs and that hideous BMW yuppie, poser attitude.

Have fun supporting the company you so truly love, when you drive a shitty lineup of their cars.

Logical, your the equivalent of being a Porsche troll that drives a base Boxster.

trailer trash? is that because of my foul language? Pardon me, but such arrogant posts can't be warmly welcomed.

I will use every expletive that I need to in order to get my point across and bring down your posts.

It's better to be rich and accepting (me) rather than poor and obnoxious (you), wouldn't you agree?......

upgrade your lineup of worthless cars and we'll talk. It's that simple.

"We" would include our family as in wife and kids.

dad, mom and two siblings, if that makes it more clear for your brain to comprehend (which it sadly) probably still can't.

Logical, if I may, I would like to guess your position at the investment bank you work at.

You are a divisional vice-president definetely not in the mergers and equities group and make a decent six-figure salary. You are not at Goldman, Lehman or Merrill. Your probably at a citigroup or some larger corporation

Your friends who laugh at you not with you are more the division presidents, perhaps say a director or managing director?

Yes, I know logical it hurts when people, even your closest friends have salaries, homes and cars that are nicer than yours.

Oh yeah, with the attitude you have know good luck in catching up with your buddies or myself, because your never going to go past your lowly position and subsequently low income in comparison to your other more high-profile friends who scoff at anything less than $300K.

Even BMW owners have reason to laugh at you. You lack the company's flagship "Li" 7-series models.

You lack a current "M" model.

Your 530xi is hardly anything beautiful to look at, much less drive around in snow in when an Audi A6 equipped with Quattro would be doing figure 8s while your wrapping your car around a tree. :)

I say your in serious need of a promotion, higher-income and nicer BMWs which would probably give you a better attitude so you can hang out with the true BMW crowd such as myself.

Is your jealousy of other more established BMW owners fueling your inner rage and hatred for Audi?

I think so.....

I don't want him to ruin the image of Audi on this website. I believe credit should be given where credit is due. He clearly isn't giving credit.

Errm... hate to interupt the party guys.. as there is obviously alot of childish stuff going on in here..

but I think it has to be said...

GermanNut...

Your line-up of cars is impressive... but not as impressive as mine... in my garage I have the Renault F1 team, 20 Ferrari FXX's, a Delorean Time Machine and a gold-plated Rolls-Royce.

.. oh sod it.. I was trying to be funny but I can't be bothered ... GermanNut... IF you do actually have any BMW's at all please sell them, and go buy a Moris Minor .. as you are a complete f*****g c**t faced w****r and a total disgrace to any brand you claim to own. I think the reason why so many people argue with you GN is because you sound like a 14 year old who's sat behind his computer pretending to be something he's not.

I think from now on I'm just going to stick to reading GCF to get news on new cars... Autospies has reahed an all new low!

Matt635, well if I was to post a line-up as mentioned above why would I leave out cars such as the M5, M6 or M3???? Instead of saying I have 2 750's why wouldn't I say I have a 760.

No I don't have all these cars right now. That would be ridiculous and would be in the crazy $500-600K range. These are the cars that I currently own or have owned in the past.

Honestly though, Logical's BMW lineup is hardly something to be impressed about. An E39 M5 which lost god know's how much of its value by now considering the E60 is out.

My family has four drivers (myself, my wife, daughter, son) and soon to be a fifth (younger son). I have an S4 Cabriolet as if you can't tell, and when I'm ready to sell, I may be looking at the Porsche C4S cabrio, if I don't need four seats. My wife has a loaded RX330, which has been great, but we're trading it for either a loaded E350 4Matic or a Jaguar XJ... we just can't decide whether we need AWD, but the decision is imminent.

My son has a Honda Civic EX coupe that I bought for my daughter in 2003 (she passed it onto him when she didn't need a car any longer), and my winter car, a 2006 A3, will be going to my fourteen year old in a couple years.

Why are we doing this, anyway?

GermanNut, there's no need for you to get all fiery. You have some beautiful cars, but everyone except mromar knows that logical is an idiot, and that he has endless trash spewing out of his mouth. I can't comprehend how a person with his level of intelligence could possibly be an adult; a car enthusiast at that. His brain is tainted, blue and white propellers submitting subliminal messages telling him that there's no other good car out there.

I forgot to add: If I could, I'd trade up my fabulous 2.0T DSG A3 for an even more wonderful S3, but I can't. For my next winter car, however, I'll either be getting a 335xi sedan or a 328xi coupe. I just hope I don't end up a total yuppie like logical.

Thanks S4,

Really useful information there. :)

I meant your second-to-last post...

So...

Logical and GermanNut,

You go to school together?

14 year old, more like I have a bank account larger than you'll ever have.....

Keep dreaming Logical, you poor BMW owner.

I'm done. I can't associate myself with people who drive outdated M cars and have a worthless line of BMWs.

My bank account is as grand as my imagination.

Money and sense?

There's a lesson here, somewhere.

Personally, I'm GLAD VW owns Audi. I could only imagine how lackluster Audi would be if it were an independent company. It may even be as hit-and-miss as... say, BMW.