Has Porsche lost its magic touch?

Has Porsche lost its magic touch?

Where should I start? Well, let’s start from the 80’s since I don’t want to go that far back. Does everyone remember when one would hear the name ‘Porsche’ they would always regard it as the high end Sports Car and would go on as to Porsche is not for everyone only if you’re a millionaire, a Doctor, or a Lawyer? It was actually during the same period, 80’s and late 90’s, that Porsche produced some of their best cars that ever existed and became synonymous with performance. Of course, earlier than that Porsche was known for their race history and engineering such as 907, 917 and…. but it was in the 80’s and early 90’s that the company really shone for their road going cars.

I remember the 930 and 964 models that had such an affect on me; I always wanted to have one. Performance wise no one could match the figures, styling wise they were so outcast yet so very beautiful. I also remember when the 993 was introduced I was so wickedly in love with that car that I was ready to sell my body organs to raise enough money to buy one. Every once in a while you would see one out in the streets and everyone would clear the lane for Porsche. It had style, class, performance (for that time period) and uniqueness that no other cars carried.

No doubt that the company was doing very badly financially but that was due to all resources being used in Engineering and development and didn’t have a good leader. Then, the board decided to get a good leader to turn the company around before they go belly up. Sure enough they hit bulls-eye with Dr. Wendelin Wiedeking. Needless to say, some key figures left the company due to conflicts in the new management style and their beliefs that was the continuation of Dr. Ferdinand Porsche beliefs. To name one that everyone knows would be Dr. Ulrich Bez, the father of 993 (911) that is heading Aston Martin at the present time.

The new management under Dr. WW definitely turned Porsche financial situation around but is this style of management taking Porsche out of its roots too? Has Porsche lost its magic touch?

Having financial stability one thing and loosing the goose bump feeling that whenever Porsche name was brought up is something else. After the Boxster introduction and the famous water-cooled engine of 996, which turned Porsche financially the most profitable automaker, Porsche started to slide its glories and zest among many Porsche lovers. At least this is true for the United States that Porsche doesn’t have the same prestige as it did decades ago. Nowadays people look at Porsche as a little upper scale than BMW and Mercedes. Porsche has definitely lost its turning-head touch; in every corner you see one, not that is bad, but exclusivity has long been gone. To me if you’re looking at performance the new Corvette Z06 has beat them all(Porsche, Aston, Ferrari, Lambo….) but we’re talking about the originality and Porsche’s fame which is being vanished little by little and sooner than later.

For the readers not to get me wrong with someone that would just read and write about Porsche, 997 models totally changed my mind about Porsche’s philosophy. May be I should mention that I have always loved Porsche since childhood and have owned 6 Porsches in my lifetime and I’m approaching mid 40s, never mind the books and magazines collections. I have owned 993, Boxster, 996 (many different models) no 997 though, I’ve had enough.

I test drove one but didn’t feel any different than the 996 C2 I’ve owned plus, for example, the annoying memory seat in the door that at each turn my left knee would hit it and would change my seat’s position. I can tell many hours and a lot of talent went into the ergonomic design of memory seats, right?. The stop-watch on the dash, very tasteful NOT, well the list can go on for pages, let’s get back to the main point.

I thought building a SUV would be bad but Porsche has out done itself with the introduction of the new Cayman S sitting between Boxster S and Carrera; can it get more bizarre than categorizing a car this way? Porsche needs an overhaul in their Marketing and Strategy department. This dept. is taking them down sooner than they can imagine. I truly don’t comprehend Porsche’s logic. Their Cayenne after a few years is the biggest failure in the SUV segment (selling wise) and now they’re thinking about a smaller version. Their new 911 models are pilling up at the dealer’s lots and now they’re thinking about a Sedan.

May be Porsche got too comfortable with themselves and thought they could pretty much sell anything under the legendary name ‘Porsche’; but where they went wrong was the fact which they kept reintroducing new models with new designation such as 996, 997, 986, 987 and they’re all literally the same with some minor engine works and hard to tell cosmetic changes. Porsche should know that their 996 line was the most successful line in the company’s history because it looked different than what they had before not because it was a better performer. Look at base model 997, same car as the 996 with 5 more ponies (engine mapping) some interior and hard to tell exterior changes from the old model, and higher price.

First off where did Porsche find their marketing force? From Mars? Do they really think that people are as gullible as they think? Where do they come off with 997 and 997S and rip people off with their ridiculous options. For supposedly newly developed and over priced 997 they charge you $1200 or $1300 for xenon head lights which has to be standard in my opinion. Look at the 911 engines? What’s really different between the 996 model year and the 997 model year in the base 911? May be a little engine mapping and all new interior and the ridiculous stopwatch in the dash which you have to pay another $900 for supposedly sharper throttle response that a real sports car should have in the first place.

With great wait and anticipation now comes the new Turbo and the GT3. Well, turbo seem to get some after thought parts slap to it, such as the front LED signal lights but rear lights are lacking the LEDs or those horrendous air inlets on each side that was robbed from TechArt. Porsche used to introduce new and cutting edge technologies with introduction of each turbo and with the new 997TT besides Variable Turbine Geometry (marketing hype) I seriously can’t point out anything else. Well, he new 4WD system isn’t anything new since AUDI mastered it long time ago. PDK, which is Porsche’s version of auto transmission like SMG by BMW, E-gear in Lamborghinis and F1 in Ferraris, is not even out there yet.

My prediction is that the 997TT will do well for the first year but we’ll see many of them in the dealerships as the fever goes down within a year. Performance remains to be seen but so far I haven’t seen anything breathtaking about it like the way it was for the 996TT when it came out. I’d say for a car that cost well into $150k I personally can’t tell the difference between the 996TT and 997TT. The new design is really bland and plain. People brag about the performance rather than the looks but I guess one has to justify the high price they pay for this car. If the new turbo had Chevy or Viper badge on it nobody would even look at it, isn’t it true?

GT3 still remains the purist of all among other 911-model range but again with the new 997 the same engine as the old one but tweaked a little bit. GT3 seems to be still the magic key to the 911 family but for god sake for a car that costs to $106k and drive out $122k the xenon lights should be standard.

As we all know Porsche has never introduced so many models in such short period of time in their history. This, in fact, is an indication that the new models are not doing so well. Porsche needs to reevaluate their strategies and execute accordingly. Why not a mid-engine Gallardo and F430 competitor? People that love 911 will still buy 911.

I know it won’t do any good to complain but since I was Porsche admirer as a kid and still am to certain degrees, found it necessary to write this. I hope some Porsche executive in Germany reads this and realizes that in their biggest market U.S.A. Porsche is truly loosing grounds. Sure there is always a first time buyer that always wanted to have a Porsche such as most Cayenne owners but the long time admirers are mostly switching teams with such fantastic options for sports cars out there nowadays. The market and the attitude may be different in Europe in particular in Germany, but they should know it doesn’t apply to other countries. To give you an example, in the U.S. you want to show off your good-looking sports cars to neighbors and friends and you actually get respect for it, however in Europe you may create enemies. Porsche needs to learn their markets more thoroughly and not rip off people for so much money on ridiculous options where they should be standard. Porsche may be rich and have a lot of cash in hand but that’s not the sign of success.


lexusis350lexusis350 - 9/14/2006 11:46:02 PM
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Will-
I'm sorry you had to drive an E-Class, lol.


I think that Porsches still look really good. Although, I'm the only one I know who likes the Cayenne.


vcowmanvcowman - 9/14/2006 11:58:57 PM
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I think with the 9*96 porsche lost its touch


pchera01pchera01 - 9/15/2006 1:19:31 AM
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Prrsche is buy making money in SUV and Sedan


pchera01pchera01 - 9/15/2006 1:20:00 AM
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busy


tundraboytundraboy - 9/15/2006 1:20:51 AM
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"This way people who realy buy it can afford it." You're all a bunch of snobs. You want Porsche to survive and yet you want only the select deserving few to buy them. When BMW or Merc broadens their model range, most fans of those marques welcome the increased choices. When Porsche tries to do the same, Porsche fans hiss and carp because the new models will attract the 'wrong' kind of Porsche owner. What, you think any car company can survive these days just selling one model?

Porsche has practically zero appeal outside of your exclusive inbred club. Most folks don't want to be associated with that kind of snobbery. Current owners drive away potential owners. That's why Porsche is in trouble.


crackityjonescrackityjones - 9/15/2006 1:55:18 AM
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wow. Someone's really dissappointed with Porsche!

For one thing, I thought that all the Porsche guys liked the Cayenne?!?!

I cannot vouch for Porsche from a performance standpoint...


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Will, I really like your Lexus posts but you seem off your head talking about Porsche. Just because the 1st post is there for the taking doesn't mean you should :)




audiotaudiot - 9/15/2006 1:57:53 AM
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"Current owners drive away potential owners. That's why Porsche is in trouble."

Insert "BMW" for "Porsche" as well. IMO :)


MunichRobMunichRob - 9/15/2006 2:11:39 AM
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"May be Porsche got too comfortable with themselves and thought they could pretty much sell anything under the legendary name ‘Porsche’"

This is bound to happen with most car companies...Nobody thought BMW would build a truck, and just look at the rumours of possible crossover SUV's from Lamborghini and Ferrari.

Anything can happen these days!


MarcusMarcus - 9/15/2006 2:21:40 AM
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Porsche should stick to sports cars I agree. Making sedans and trucks is just pointless. Leave that for your average, non-special brands BMW and Lexus.


audiotaudiot - 9/15/2006 3:32:09 AM
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Will...! Just joking. Your posts are very informative!


wooodwoood - 9/15/2006 5:49:10 AM
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Porsche has to develop other car market niches in order to stay alive.


TauronLBTauronLB - 9/15/2006 8:16:12 AM
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Actually I really like Porsche. I think they should rethink their options sheet and add more standard features to the cars. But otherwise I think its a great company under good leadership.
You have to remember the reason Porsche sales slumped is because it was only selling sports cars. They had to broaden their range and appeal to stay viable. I personally hated the Cayenne until I drove a turbo. Then I was blown the hell away. Yeah its ugly but its still a heck of a vehicle. I think they still develop cutting edge technology and bring it to market in a timely way. I am not soo convinced about the Panamera yet but the final design hasn't been seen. I garauntee that when it is shown to the public all you Porsche haters will be Porschephiles again though.
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carfan3carfan3 - 9/15/2006 8:45:55 AM
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the cayenne should have been on it's own platform....and not quite so ugly. i see the cayenne like the 914.....not sure the sales is worth it at the expense of long term image.


RupertRupert - 9/15/2006 9:26:22 AM
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sporty sedan like coupes are the latest craze, seriously, hyundai will have one in 10 years. suvs will pass just like big 80s coupes did.
a porsche sedan is a better idea than a porsche suv.


LokiLoki - 9/15/2006 9:55:10 AM
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Porsche is still the most prestigious luxury automobile brand in the world. Have they lost their touch? I think not. The 911 is still their bread and butter. Cayenne is 2nd (as far as sales go). Porsche has boosted deliveries in NA by 11% so far this year. Highest they have done in history.


carfan3carfan3 - 9/15/2006 10:12:09 AM
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the most prestigious?
what about Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin?



AlexTxAlexTx - 9/15/2006 10:21:48 AM
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Apparently this Porsche owner does not understand the philosophy of what is Porsche.
He said: "GT3 seems to be still the magic key to the 911 family but for god sake for a car that costs to $106k and drive out $122k the xenon lights should be standard."
That's the whole point. The GT3 is all about weight savings. Most people who buy this car, go to to track with it. They do not want more weight. Just like the Automatic climate control are optional.
Just wait until the GT3 RS comes out!!
80% of our clients that buy the GT3 take it to the track. Most people don't care how much the Xenon lights cost on these cars; they understand how a Porsche should be equipped. That is why you have 40 pages of options you can choose from to really customize your car!

"My prediction is that the 997TT will do well for the first year but we’ll see many of them in the dealerships as the fever goes down within a year. Performance remains to be seen but so far I haven’t seen anything breathtaking about it like the way it was for the 996TT when it came out."
Porsche will not do the same mistake twice I guarantee you that!!
You must have not read the specs on the car and the mags properly. This car does 0-60 in 3.4 sec in Automatic!!!!
And that's not even the X50 version of it.
The Variable Turbine Geometry is an incredible system.
No Turbo lag at all and the best part?
This car does not have a $3,000 Gas Guzzler Tax like the previous 996TT had. This car has more power (480hp Vs 415) and much better fuel economy than the previous model.
How can you say it is not that much better???
It outperforms the old, yet phenomenal, 996TT in all aspects!!!

The interior of the 997 is miles ahead of the 996 if you ask me. The Sport Chrono package should remain an option. Not every one wants it.

There will never be a Mid engine 911; that might be called a Cayman S.
The 911 is the only car whose design (shape) has remained the same for over 40 years and it has to stay that way as purist want it that way.
I'm actually surprised that you would not consider a 997 especially since you had a 993.
A lot of our 993 clients bypassed the 996 because it looked too much like the Boxster, and got the 997 because it reminded them of the 993.
Don't have to get the 4S version to get the wide body. You get it with the 997.

"in the U.S. you want to show off your good-looking sports cars to neighbors and friends and you actually get respect for it, however in Europe you may create enemies"
That is not why you buy a Porsche....to show it off.
You buy one because it is simple still the best sport cars for the buck.
To give you an example on how close it is to a race car: to change the brakes on a 911, all you have to do is use your fingers without any tools. You may just need a screw driver to remove a pin, but that is it.
This car is designed like a race car.
I couldn't care less what my neighbors think of my Porsche (if I had one). I would buy one because of the pleasure o


vcowmanvcowman - 9/15/2006 10:24:30 AM
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Porsche was an icon, Ferrari IS an icon. thats the difference, if ferrari made a "boxster" then it too would lose its iconic status. I think thats what killed it for them, the lack of exclusivity that brings a prestigioius brand down.


AlexTxAlexTx - 9/15/2006 10:37:12 AM
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Porsche is far from being dead. Why do you guys keep saying that?
Porsche is still seen as an icon, mainly when you look at the 911.
Porsche is maybe the only brand that offers a car that you can drive everyday to go to work and then at the track.
Don't want to do that in a Ferrari...


vcowmanvcowman - 9/15/2006 10:52:02 AM
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I disagree with "Nearly all high-end brands are doing the "entry-level" segment. (BMW and the Z2? In America?) Maybe it's the Japanese forcing all of this behavior? It seems nowadays that if you don't have an "entry-level," then you don't matter."

Ferrari matters, Lambo, matters, on and on, buy they deeply matter


carfan3carfan3 - 9/15/2006 10:55:27 AM
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if they wanted sales #s, they should have spun off another brand and kept the porsche brand more exclusive


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 9/15/2006 2:06:56 PM
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Porsche is doing plenty well, they are the most profitable car manufacturer in the world.


BMW530iBMW530i - 9/15/2006 7:53:09 PM
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Porsche was an icon, Ferrari IS an icon. thats the difference, if ferrari made a "boxster" then it too would lose its iconic status. I think thats what killed it for them, the lack of exclusivity that brings a prestigioius brand down.
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What BS are you talking about?

Porsche is still an icon and they're still prestigeous. The Boxster didn't bring down Porsche's image at all. Too many people I know flame the Boxster without even knowing what it was mad for.

The Boxster was designed with HANDLING as top priority. Not 0-60, not low 1/4 mile times, no, HANDLING. And I'd say your typical Boxster handles pretty nicely, one of the best-handling cars according to many notable magazines. This is a car made for someone who wants to attack corners on backroads or on the track.

Also, if the regular Boxster is too "slow", then get a Boxster S.




RupertRupert - 9/16/2006 6:45:19 PM
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the boxster is the most unreliable used car in britain.
fact.


flychronicflychronic - 9/17/2006 4:13:47 AM
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Agree with xfifty, I have had Boxters S and 996, don't see the point to keep going. Nowadays in LA, everybody drives a Porsche, it definetely has lost its magic touch. I admire Porsche for capitalizing on their name. After all, they make cars to make money, not to make you look good. I think Porsche is attracting a whole new group of buyers and at the same time losing a few who, myself included , would rather go for a Conti GT, Gallardo, or Aston rather than a 997TT. Also, 911's are not daily drivers, ask someone who actually owns one. Unless you don't go out much.


DarkOneForceDarkOneForce - 9/17/2006 4:45:24 PM
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If you're considering a Continetal GT, then good ridance, you're not worthy.

The 911 was about the driving first and foremost. If you could drive, really drive, a Carrera RS and/or 930, you were somebody.

These days, the problem is that Porsche are way to easy to drive, and lost much of pleasure they provided for the sakes of clinical cornering.

But since Porsche are so succesfull and they still make a handfull of real Porsches than who cares.


flychronicflychronic - 9/18/2006 3:17:41 AM
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Dark one:

That's what I thought about the Cont GT until I drove one. Maybe you are not worthy of a Bentley. The 930 turbo was my dream car as a kid, just the sound of the engine made my day, too bad the 997's are just too civilized. I wish Porsche came out with cars priced higher than a 911 not lower. If the carrera GT was priced around the f430...some of the magic would be back. Again, who am I to say what they should or shouldn't do? If they are highly profitable as they say they are, then they must be doing something right.


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