Detroit News Review Claims ATS-V Is Now A Valid Rival For The M3 - Are You Ready To Go That Far With A Statement?

yes I am...

Put me in the "no" column.

BMW has a lengthy reputation for making highly-desired, sporting cars. They practically invented the "Sport Sedan." Their 3-series styling has always been embraced by the public at large. The BMW 3 is the benchmark for its class. That's why everybody and their uncle claims to be working on or to have a 3-series killer.

As for Caddy, let's for argument's sake agree that the track numbers are on par with the M3. They have a reputation of being a struggling (arguably) luxury car maker that's trying to reestablish its credibility, and is not quite sure of how to position itself. Ultra comfy? Sporty? Versatile? Their styling is not embraced widely as a prestigious or highly desired design (though they do have their fans). The Caddy isn't a benchmark for anything. The brand name used to be synonymous with "The Best of The Best", back in the days when people used to say things like "that's the Cadillac of typewriters" or "it's the Cadillac of fax machines." That expression is all but dead today, a sign of the once great brand that has lost its lustre.

I still give Caddy credit for how far they've come, and for what they've achieved. All things considered, they're just not competition for MB or BMW at this time. Tomorrow's another day, though.

@TheSteve: I couldn't DISAGREE with you more. BMW is no longer unbeatable. That's been proven by the regular ATS. Case closed.

TheSteve...none of your arguments are valid....

sales figures would seem to disagree.

And JRob what are the sales figures for the ATS-V? Sales are not an indicator of competency... pretty sure their talking about competency not sales... so... there you have it...

Pretty sure the sales figures are 0 as its not out yet...

Sorry - but the case is ONLY as good as the person making the requirements.

A 1980's Yugo could be considered a Rival for both of these cars - depending on your point of view.

However - while a Cadillac may actually equal some performance numbers of the Bmw - the Cadillac is NOT a German made sports sedan. IF having a GERMAN sports sedan is one of the criteria - then Cadillac isn't a rival - it is not made there. If you want a car that LOOKS like a BMW M3 as well - the Cadillac cannot compete there either.

While I too give Cadillac credit for their attempt - I believe that their efforts are misguided. The ATS may be smaller and more nimble - BUT it is SMALLER - especially in the back seat - and trunk. But then - for the average person - we are talking about very Highly modified vehicles from the base unit - that sell in incredibly SMALL numbers - and it is because of the Small numbers that other factors instead of pure performance data come into the argument.

An attempt to turn an American LUXURY car manufacturer - into a High End Sports car manufacturer - and deliberately IGNORING and Overtly Abandoning their Luxury car market - was stupid. In the end - neither of these cars are what either manufacturer rests their reputation on.

I agree. It is basically like putting down a Corvette engine inside a modified Chevrolet Sonic.

It's basically like a bug telling himself that he can be a human.

Only some Americans would think that is true, but the rest of the world? No one even cares or knows about this garbage called ATS-V.

And on top of that, like I said before, it still looks like a chick car. I mean seriously? Do they think it would sell, if you put down some Corvette engine in a Toyota Celica or something? This is basically why Detroit went bankrupt, and Europe won everything. America just does not know what luxury is, and shouldn't even think they ever will.

And honestly, so let's say it is faster than an M4. It honestly doesn't matter because Cadillac is still viewed as a poor man's BMW. Not to mention the Cadillac dealerships don't really exist outside of North America. Why? Because Cadillac is not even a serious luxury brand right now, it is just doing a little bit better than other garbage brands like Buick and Lincoln, but at the end of the day, Cadillac is nothing. If Cadillac thinks just putting down a Corvette engine in a chick car will automatically make them a "legit" luxury carmaker, they obviously have no clue as to what it even means to be a "luxury" carmaker. And this is basically why America "always" fails in anything luxury. Just like how Apple keeps selling their overpriced MacBooks that can't even run high performance games (But Apple basically overcharges their products all because of the design. And nothing else.)

The European products are filled with passion and soul, you can tell their luxury products are pure results of their efforts (No wonder the European luxury brands dominate over 70% of the luxury market of the ENTIRE world). But the Americans? They are all about being lazy, just putting down trash all for the sake of short time profits. Just look at Apple and Cadillac. I mean honestly? Apple's Macbooks are not even worth over 1300 dollars, since all that it is good at is just web browsing. Might as well just buy a cheap Google laptop. Yes, CHEAP, is what America really is. CHEAP = AMERICA.

And this ATS-V should be priced at 21,000 dollars.

Then, the ATS-V deserves to sell a lot. I'm sure they can bring down the prices to that level, as Cadillac uses all the Mexican and Chinese parts like the other GM products do anyway.

Simply shows how far the mighty M3 has fallen behind the standards set by previous generations allowing Cadillac to bite at its heels.

Not really. It's like Toyota stating that the Corolla can beat M3, and everyone knows that would be the stupidest thing that anyone can say.

Anyone can say anything. They have the right to do so, even if it sounds completely retarded.

And I hope GM understands this. Cadillac always has been a brand for grandpas. Meaning old people.

And which brands usually are meant for the old people? Lexus. Or Hyundai.

The United States is meant to compete with the Asians, not the Europeans. No one, I repeat, "No one", can compete with the Europeans in anything on this planet. Period.

Your posts have all the vitriol, hyperbole, delusion and fifth grade level English of a North Korean press release.

Shouldn't you be paying tribute to your "Dear Leader" instead of wasting time trolling car blogs?

Actually, that nonsense about NO ONE competing with the Germans is not true either. VW in America is proof that the Germans are not invincible

However - NONE of the Germans make a Pick up as good as the American DUO (Ford and GM - Ram is a foreign owned company)

Runninglogan, my brother, you don't understand. You seem to talk about this whole "English" thing when I talk about something true and realistic. I mean, you do agree with me on this, too, so why all the hate, my brother? There is nothing wrong with agreeing with me, even though the bullies on this website kind of force you to make fun of me and deboost my comments and such, my good brother.

TomM, no one really cares about VW stuff. I mean, it's not even meant to be a luxury brand, and VW is doing good in other areas....such as? "Luxury".

Get some help my brother. We both know you need it.

No, I don't need any help. You must wake up, you know I am telling the truth here. Do not listen to the other guys around here, they just don't want you to listen to the truth.

JDMusMuscle - Actually - They did try to take the VW upmarket - and that did not work. If the Germans were invincible - then VW would handily outsell Toyota - and they do not. So - your statement that no one can compete with the Germans with ANYTHING on this planet (YOUR words) is actually proven wrong by your own statement against VW itself.

The problem with the Germans - is that they DEFINED the market - with their cars - and the rest of the people compete as they change the definition. BUT - no matter what YOU say - a BMW is NOT a Luxury car - it is a sports sedan. While Cadillac made the mistake of trying to compete on that definition (Sports sedan) - and they may have produced a car that actually can do so - they would have been better off asa a LUXURY car manufacturer - producing a LUXURY car in the Cadillac/Rolls/Bentley tradition - instead of trying to move to a specialized sports car market.

But - Cadillac was NOT the Brand for Grandpa's - it was the brand for American rich people. Grandpa's chose the middle premium cars - Mercury - Chrysler - Buick -Olds.

And no - you do not need any help -= YOU can show your bias all \by yourself.