AUTO SPIES WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Next BMW 7-series to get turbocharged?

as long as they get rid of those headlights...im fine

omg, a company uses fuel economy in their marketing? they must be copying lexus. dont be so stupid will. turbos have always had this feature.
that is a seriously ridiculous comment.

This ain't no Lexus, this is a winner and my next car.

Will-

You obviously haven't driven a car before. Turbo engines breathe easier. Breathing easier = more efficient. More efficient = better gas mileage.

My A3 has a 2.0 turbo four with 200hp. It averages 26mpg. If there was a non-turbocharged 2.0 200hp hatch of similar size and weight, it wouldn't get 26mpg, it would be more like 23 or 24. That's the difference. Turbos are a good thing.

Stop talking about the friggin lexus.
There is no way u compare this to a lexus.
Who started and won an award for their hydrogen car BMW or Lexus? ....BMW. When did lexus start developing hybrids....yes. Now shut it and go to sleep. and dream about ur lexuses, hehehehehehe.

The new 7 is going to better than the stupid S class and even the lexus LS, simply because it will handlebetter, more performance and is going to have a nice style. Mercedes will always do what it does hide behind the three sliver spoke stars.

Will can you just shut up. I am so sick and tired of all these lexus fanboys in these forums.

Lexus is and forever will be a toyota.
In other words it's crap.

My parents have a 2002 LS430. I think that car is the most waste of space, waste of gas, car out there, along with all the other lexus'.
Your hybrids suck because in the long run you end up paying more for then what you would of with gas.

And another thing WILL you are the most annoying little kid whose parents or grandparents drive a lexus and you think there cool. So just buzz off to a lexus forum.

ok now, for the turbo in all car engines thing.
Firstly, not all car manufacturers have the capability to do so. Talk about Ford laying off its workforce.
Second, its expensive and its gotta be sumthin like BMW or MB to develop such a system.
As for all u lexus lovers, Lexus is just for "luxury". If u really want a company comparison then compare a toyota camry or corolla with a 3 series or something (hehehe, doesnt sound same level to me). Lexus was never meant to be made for sport cars so no IS is comparable to a 3-series. And then we talk about 7-series this car is also for luxury but it doifesnt mean that it does not require great handling. If ur willing to spend on this car which is aiming for both luxury and sport then plz do talk abt handling. So until next time, M6 will rule as always. Thank you

Iam looking for a car that handles well, even in this segment. Will you dont want to pay over a 100K on these cars and get a car that feels like rolling over when you turn. As for luxury it is in BMW as in Lexus. Give a President, Prime minister , or officials that ride in a lexus. Plus Bmw has really good quality in there new cars and to insure that the owners have it they have $o maintainence, which lexus doesnt have. Lexus is having a huge problem in safety, I mean the Braking distance is literarly the braking distance of a truck or an SUV from 60-0. Thanks

lexus and all the other japanese companies just copy The Germans. In the 90's they copied Mercedes. In the 2000's their copying BMW. Every lexus feels like a boat when I drive one.
The new IS looks like a Japanese teenager who just got run over by a truck.
Toyota builds great cars...under 25k.

and M6 will always rule.............over ur ass.
hehehehehehe

How can you turn something so great into something bad. Your lexus cars are so pathetic the the lease prices on them are out the roof. Why? thats what I asked a lexus salesman. He said "lexus does not hold thier value as well as BMW and Mercedes, we cannot give lower lease prices because we end up loosing money."
I live in L.A. I probably have only seen one person under 30 years of age drive a lexus that he/she owns.
Lexus is for old retired people that just don't know any better.

Hey will, stay in the same price range as the m6. and lets see what can beat it. ummmm....nothing.

nope it doesnt
not the F

and plus its half price, so 2 of them will definitely beat and rule and own the enzo. hehehhehehehe

Will then go tell your friends that my lexus doesnt handle well, doesnt accelerate good, doesnt brake well but its the most reliable car on earth. I think that will convince them to get a lexus tomorrow.

I mostly hate lexus for stupid fanboys like you. Everybody knows that BMW is the benchmark. And they have been since I don't even know how long.

Answer this.
what is one thing that lexus has created technology wise?
BMW invented the swirling headlights. Guess what, lexus marketed it. thats just sad. Most people thought lexus was the first to have those.

Like i said lexus is just luxury for a toyota. So If i was the main owner of BMW wat would i do? I think id make a luxury for BMW. AS for 7series its not considered a main luxury branch so lets stoop to lexus's level of poor car design and construction and yes!! talk about safety, unless u wanna take that chance.

MB is similar to BMW in everything I know computers in each MB car Ive seen them all apart.Also, dont forget that lexus has more than sufficient money to invest in better technology since it doesnt have anything running after it except for lexus, lol. BMW is a huge manufacturer so i guess they r implementing the better technology than lexus.

B pillars in the back windows are copied from BMW, the beautifully sculpted bangle butt is now in the LS, Long wheel base as second versions are now in the new LS. So you see where this is going. tell me something lexus did on their own. Plz dont tell me park assist because bmw had that 2 years ago in development.

Hey will next time you fly, why don't you ask the pilot, What company made the engine?
As far as I know mercedes hasn't invented squat. They just were the first to buy it from the inventors.
airbags, abs the top 2 obvious the important ones.
BMW. navigation, xenon, best in-class handling.

Look man if we argue like this, it can go forever. All I know is that you will be the last man writing if I continue because you have no life. I read these forums and all I see is your damn name.

All lexus has is luxury. Thats it. Their engines are quite and the car is smooth.
Who cares about that when the mercedes next to me looks better, the bmw on the other side can smoke me in every twist and turn, and the audi behind me has way superior interior then I do.
Lexus is a waste of space.

Lexus is also a smart company. THey know that they can never take out a performance devision because it will not sell. But they might take a risk with the IS and of course fail.

hey will in your next post please dont say that the aircraft engines are rollsroyce because i will really laugh.

well by a huge manufacturer i meant that they own other companies like rolls royce and minis. So by far they r the greatest. As for lexus wat do they own ??? car parts??

well by a huge manufacturer i meant that they own other companies like rolls royce and minis. So by far they r the greatest. As for lexus wat do they own ??? car parts??

well by a huge manufacturer i meant that they own other companies like rolls royce and minis. So by far they r the greatest. As for lexus wat do they own ??? car parts??

well by a huge manufacturer i meant that they own other companies like rolls royce and minis. So by far they r the greatest. As for lexus wat do they own ??? car parts??

well by a huge manufacturer i meant that they own other companies like rolls royce and minis. So by far they r the greatest. As for lexus wat do they own ??? car parts??

M6willruleoverurass-

It saddens me that you like/drive a M6.

Not all BMW owners are like this, some of us realize Bimmers are great cars but have flaws.

I'm so tired of people bashing lexus, look they make a great car. most Audi's are based on VW's but we don't hear much about that. Merc's and Chrylsers share componets not a word, and Acura Honda well only the General does a better job of badge engineering. BMW is the only true sport/luxury or luxury/sport company left, they no longer share with a lower (like of better term) brand.

Lexus caters to a differant client then the Germans. Most lexus people I know buy/lease because of the experiance. BMW people because of the car (image or the drive), even though the experiance is not always that good.

Is BMW hurting it self with low lease payments, yes and no. More cars sold but more posers buying them. I don't have a problem with leasing, if you like to trade cars every couple of months or years it's great, but their are to many people who can lease a BMW that really can't afford one. I kinda wish BMW would do away with $0 maintence to weed out the posers, but is nice to pay for maintence in the montly payment. Nothings $0/FREE.

Now 7 vs. LS you can compare the two because the people who buy them will. The 7 will be a better drivers car, the LS a better Luxury car. It comes down to what the consumer will want and need in their vehicle.

yeh so lets start playing that comparison game
give me the best that toyota got, 4 runner that SUV is no match for X3. Lexus again no match. Let them develop sport cars first instead of putting whinny little cars to start challenging the 3 series and stuff. And by the way, u are forgetting one huge point here. BMW has M series too oh and yeah....M6 will rule over ur ass.

BMW welcomes competition, that is why it has its own history and sports heritage. Where is the lexus sports history or where is the lexus history Will? Lexus is trying to copy bmw in price, they are making their cars more expensive now. I would rather get a V6 camry with all options and looks better than tricking my friends by an E350

this could vey well be true! turbo allows extra air to pass through the engine so therefore it can help to added feul economy if done right!

i own a pagani zonda c12, and an m6 so wat are U DOING?
Look at the name of the car 4runner sounds like a chicken to me, running away from the fight, and by the way there is no way u compare these too.

wat about MB they copied BMW when they developed AMG's so we r not talking about copying categories we r talking development stage dude.

Then dont. Suddenly the guy becomes my money manager telling me wat i own and wat i dont, lol.

Will

Lexus.....hehehaha very long way to come close to bmw..
here in dubai its just a toyota...how can Lexus come close.. where is the x5 rival..Z4 rival M series... 6 series...If u come to dubai u will see high class cars
and goes like thes

#1 Bmw,Benz,RaneRovers,lambos,ferraris.porshes
#2Audi,vw
#3Luxus

Btw: we've just heard about Lexus what some 8 years ago
Can't be compeard to BMW brand (since 1913)this is better Lexus vs Acura vs infinty = Toyota vs Honda vs Nissan..

I believe AMG was founded in 1967 and BMW M in 1972

I know in Dubai they sell alot of bmws because people right there know what is good and what is real plus Dubai is a rich country and it is interested to enter the racing industry because they already have nice race tracks and building new ones. Their rally history... I wouldnt talk about it but it is the best.

Absolutely, i agree with u BMW dubai. Middle east has way better cars in terms of luxury and editions. U c BMWs and MBs everywhere not like N.A where i c a MB every 2 days or all i c in fact toyotas, hondas and acuras. totally different standard of living

i didnt mean to unfavour MB and BMW. In terms of cars they r the best and comparable. BMW is way better in sports than MB, it doesnt matter when they started so it doesnt mean u should give crap for bmw when they developed luxury cars. SAying this then lexus should get some cra too for becoming a company. What u are saying is totally insane and irrelevant? and M6 will rule over ur ass

What are you talking about your last post made no sense???

my post was made to mr. m6

M6willruleoverurass, the post at 9:45:57

will
we do have lexus.. but its not compared to bmw here..
maybe 1 lexus = 10 bmws

cause people know its just a toyota..its rarly u see an
LS but u might see 20 7 series in one day not to mention X5's

Will, Lexus is plainly copying BMW from that point. If u say BMW copied MB in Luxury then SO did Lexus as a company. They r not only copying BMW but perhaps MB. If toyota as a company wants to rise it has to face larger challengers like MB and BMW so they should work more on developing better lexus cars. But these days there is no way u can compare a lexus to a BMW. A true comparison lies from the origins. Compare it to another japanese car manufacturer not a german. There is a hidden experience in german cars that cannot be compared to any other foreign car.

If ur so happy with a lexus then go get one or if u have one then its ok. But dont leak into BMW forums again coz thats low class we are VIP. Tell me if the Lexus is good or not and let it benefit u.

BMW Dubai-

Is this because BMW makes security Vehicle in those models?

I'm just curious.

huu76
I own e46 m3 and it will eat stock Sti if it does 0-62 in 4.5 second (thats it) the driver must be pro to get that as well..and nowadays its 0 to 200kmh M3 does it in 17 second and m6 in 13 seconds tell me the 0 to 200 for STI:(

adoptgreyhounds

not at all, The dealer dont even stock scurity Vehicles

Will,

For ur info., im not a BMW fanatic at all. Proof of that is that I own other cars too. I believe that u r a lexus fanatic from my point of view and believe me i think u should read "First year driver's manual for attending an autoshow and car knowledge coz im a little dummie".

Oh yeah and its not the website dude its a URL if u know computers, and this forum is for ppl who like BMW not ppl who critisize it, and yeah u have freedom of speech and SO DO I.

And like it or not an M6 will rule over ur ass...over an over again, over an over again...coz its all in my head
!!!T_*!!!

The 100th comment!

Woo-hoo!

will

yah but maybach also stealing RR Sales

dude u said website!!

Well I wont find any coz u r sticking ur posts EVERYWHERE!!!! talkin about how gorgeous lexus is and how beautiful the seats are. If it were'nt for that i wouldnt say otherwise. I know ppl have different opinions i happen to be a human being, if ur forgetting that point and plz next time plz talk about lexus elsewhere. Im sure everyone would agree on that. Thats why they have comments on every article. So my opinion or lets make it a fact, keep arguments relevant to discussions please.

will

do u see the car list above I posted...No lexus in it thats why nobody cares about them they are damn slow..

adoptgreyhounds-

"Most Audis are based on VWs..."

NOT TRUE!

Gosh I'm so tired of hearing that!

The only Audis that are truly based on VWs are the A3 and the Q7, but the Q7 is stretched about a foot longer than the Touareg!

You could call the Q7 a re-badged VW, but you could also call it a re-badged Porsche. I prefer the latter.

my zonda can take over any car on that list.

One of the things that interest me most is how you people measure cars. Ok here is something, I dont hate lexus , Iam just stating a point , BMW has better cars in their line up than lexus but the only lexus car I liked was the LS600h presentation because of the way it was presented but after the braking failure , I dont really like lexus anymore, my only hope to like lexus again is the IS500, If they have good handling and performance then I would get that and also to add a coupe to the IS. But still I like THe M3 the one coming up other than anything else right now.

You could also call the R8 a re-badged Lamborghini, and the A8 W12 a re-badged Bentley.

S4cabriofox
Most Audi are bassed on vw even bentleys and porsche cayane is vw toureg

rember vw owns Audi,bentley,lambo and skoda even some skodas based on vw

the bmw i was really hoping to develop as a car although progressed as a 6 series is the Z9. That was one heck of a car.

M6willruleoverurass

yah me too was hoping that too

The only thing I dont like about the BMW lineup is the best selling one of them, yes its the 3 series sedan , and why I dont like it? because of the rear lights in the back, the ugliest thing ever.

The only thing I dont like about the BMW lineup is the best selling one of them, yes its the 3 series sedan , and why I dont like it? because of the rear lights in the back, the ugliest thing ever.

i hope the 6 series design progresses for the better next time.

yes i agree m3owns, but u have to admit that it started the whole bmw history especially through the m series m3.

I think we can count mcclaren F1 as bmw supercar it has bmw engine without it will not do shit...i mean it held the top speed record since 1992 till 2004 beaten by koeing then bugatti... but still both are FI

I wonder what top speed a lexus supercar will do..

it Will be First stock toyota to pass 260km/h he he

and how about the alpina B7 i saw it at the autoshow last year and i believe its design is much better than the current 7.

They are together but the slr has half the power of the mclaren F1

Ceramic brakes, carbon fiber !! SLR!! yeah but no match for the zonda F. All carbon fibre car!! vroom vvroom!!

...will that bangel butt ur talking about is copied by benz and other car companies

for the looks current 7 is perfect its the best selling 7 series to date

6 series also perfect

5 series more than perfect cause i ve seen many people keep on looking on it eventhough it was between many good cars


3 series only taillights

3 coupe perfect

1 series headlight crap

z4 perfect the new coupe "selling like hell"

I just had one question: What is the back of the 1998+ Nissan Altima called? I mean I know what a bangle butt is, but what is the Nissan called. Didn't the Nissan come out first - so if it is similar did Chris Bangle copy Nissan? What do you guys think.

from my opinion, 1 series sucs, 3coupe good, 3 sedan awful, 5 series + all m series more than perfect, z4 design is crap, 6 series pretty good and 7 series is quite the strange one that is sometimes good and sometimes bad.

SLR is no match for The orignal, Benz just wanted the macclaren name i guess.they can build Slr on thier own..do u guys know that SL65 beats SLR!

by the way the zonda has an MB engine nothing less from a car. Its only flaw is that it wont be comfortable after a long trip.

I think that the 5 series is not that bad, It may not look good in pics but in the real world it is really nice and beautiful. but my favorite bmw is the 3 coupe until they comeout with the m3. but that doesnt mean I dont like the 5. I really love it.

kart1

'the bangle butt'


I first saw it on bmw Z9 concept

M3owns

belive me if u stand next to 5 series you will love it

Bmw Dubai,
The thing i can tell u is that my friend has a 545i, i have to say the car is quite powerful, however, the quality is shit, the car rattles from the inside like an american car, the car lost soo much power and it only has 20 to 30000kms on it, my dad's LS430 beats it, the quality of the car is faaar better than the bmw. All i said about the 545i goes for my other friend's B7. And BTW the M3 is honestly a car that is really slow and is not half as what people say about it, my friend's E500 smoked it, if u live in dubai im sure u know the caprice SS and this car smoked the M3 as well. For ur information all bmw lovers, the new 3.5 liter V6 smoked a 745 in front of my eyes believe it or not. The LS430 that all of u are saying is slow also beat the 745i. Over all that, I beat it in luxury, knowing that i would not need to take my car to service worrying about the bill because of one race and knowing that my car would last forever whichever way u use it. I already talked about my 530i in other pages and it really does not compare to the GS or even the ES350!!
Thank you very much.
Will i know exactly what ur talking about and i toootally agree with u.
Don't let these BMW lovers try to convince anyone that BMW or MB or Audi is better than lexus.
I have had experience with bmw and my friends tell me about their MB's.
BMW dubai, i live in qatar and not one BMW or MB lasts more than 3 years in our hot countries.

This is why nearly every house has a Landcruiser which is more comfortable, reliable and has much better abilities than any X5 or ML.

When i was talking about lasting 3 years, this means that after that u will need to go to the dealership every month and fight with the manager about how bad the cars are.

That is totaly wrong if you think any car would survive the hot weather of your country, dude most of the toyotas and lexus that you guys get and even the cheverolet and ford are messed up with and tuned specially for the middle east , whether you like it or not BmW doesnt tune their cars for any part of the world , plus who cares a bmw would perform better anyways than a lexus. Lexus is for luxury and a bmw is for performance and elegance. You can show off with both brands anywhere but with which people will get more obsessed with? All of us know the answer.

Designs go back to opinion Mpower. But reliability, refinement, durability, comfort, smoothness, silence, tuning, are facts. Talking about Mpower and AMG lexus has L-sportline and about handling, lexus has Eurotuned suspension for good proper handling.

"Talking about Mpower and AMG lexus has L-sportline and about handling, lexus has Eurotuned suspension for good proper handling."

yeah right euro tuned suspension. Come on were talking stock cars here plus euro , I dont care iam here in N.A need everything out of the box, Iam not going to pay 40K for a car that doesnt have the "good proper handling" yet.

I can't buy one? I think i have one, and i've driven a lot. I will not lie and say that they don't drive nice but drive it for 15 minutes then u will get sick of it.
BTW Mr M6 no one really cares about ur Zonda this is not what we're talking about.

Will im sorry to say that the IS350 is not only way better than the 330i its even much better than their 335i which will fall apart after driving it for a couple of days!!

Will
I never said that the IS350 is bad. If I had the money to buy a sport sedan I would buy the IS but sorry now, The new coupe for the 3 series is out and is really sexy so I would get that one above any sedan. I went to the last auto show and I liked ..no I love the IS because of luxury and as for me I wouldntcare about handling so nicely much , but Iam still paying the same price as a bmw coupe , so still this one needs thinking, and I would tell you my opinion when they come out with the new IS coupe.

Hey will stop saying Iam from the BMW crowd because I believe that performance is not everything and I also Love one car of Lexus. The IS is the only one I like. But still I love Bmw at the same time.

What is up with the giant amount of comments? I know it had something to do with Lexus. Anyone want to Sparknote this whole discussion? Yes, BMW will have a 4 liter V8 turboed to 400 hp, however it won't have the power of a V12 (450 at the least right now) or have fuel economy way above of the V12.

It will definately not have the fuel economy of a V6. Turboes do have better fuel economy than non turbos but it won't be geting 20/30.

Hey boya go to your magic land where your LS passion drives you around the track in your beautiful Lexus boat that is full of luxuries including a throttle lever made of wood that was gotten from the third tree on the road of the tropical rainforest in a country called Teezaka or something. Lexus brings the reall magic land to your own enterainment. The lexus slogan is " THe new LS , the driving magic down the mountain."

heheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheh, fantastic comment m3owns fantastic!! i have to say

WhaT is better is if you let your LS drag another boat behind it and test the brakes. It will be from 60-0 in 2 miles, and i think that that is impressive with two boats dragging each other.

M3owns: honestly, have u driven an LS before?

ill tell u wat im on about. I will eat anyone who Bitches about BMW. I will tell u a story,
i opened the hood of an LS and found nothing but car parts. Opened the back doors found nothing but seats. Held the front wheel found nothing but a magic ass feel that takes u off the road and crashes u in a tree.
What i want to get out of this is that lexus is poor poor poor.

Not only 0-60 mate trust me.

I think he was looking at a 740 or something

I will tell you another magic story, when I was looking at an LS I saw nothing but a regular car with 4 wheels , a hood and a trunk , with a 3D preview that is not made by computers because that was what lexus admitted. End of Story The new lexus LS is a Boat, The Passionate magic pursuit of luxury huge boats. As for the IS it goes under the Ultimate driving machine but with a boaty feel.

I know because BMW interior is all business and not luxury.So lexus is better at interiors.

Will,

You are stooping to the level of a five-year-old.

Get over the crackpots. Have you no shame?


huu76, the M3 is electronically governed to 250km/h.

And g-forces don't for a better drivers car. I actually don't think you are qualified to talk about 'drivers cars', as you seem to love SUV's and Toyotas.

ToyotaLexus, you are an idiot. Like ANY car is going to just fall apart. You are being a little over-dramatic, don't you think?

Christ what a stupid thread.

hey will, ill tell u wat i was looking for inside that LS You, heheheheh

-don't make for

For arguing and humouring those crackpot BMW fans, that's what.

We have a bunch of children bickering, and in the middle of it is Will, grown man with a Lexus LS, joining in on the mayhem.

Too bad arguing on blogs doesn't get you fit, otherwise you'd be a champion at long-distance running or something.

I will tell you why lexus is more reliable. You guys know why? Because people who own lexus cars cant do the fun things like bmw owners do so they will be scared to drive their cars near the speed limit and turn their signals 2 minutes before they make a turn because they cant turn at high speeds so that the car wont rool over , so that is why most of the lexus owners are so protective about their cars , not that , its just that they have to be. that is why bmw cars break more than a lexus.

Those BMW guys aren't worth the time of day.

Looks like it, when Iam thinking about how you underestimate my comments it just means that you didnt read my comments. Those bmw guys , this and that... YOu dont know anything I already told you , Bmw is not the only brand that I like , I also like the new IS 350 and by the way I own two toyotas OK , 2007 camry SE and 1998 camry LE. See how performance is not everything.

Matthew if u think im being over dramatic, look at ur BMW mate Mr M3owns don't u think thats over dramatic??

and im back. Welcome to the BMW eating lexus owners contest.
Oh Mr. SS beats an M3 (heheheheheh). U know ive heard that a donkey car (carro) beat the SS.

THe donkey will rule over ur ass

Ok please guys now really. 001 is deleting the comments now.

keep on laughing man the sad thing is that is does. i cant believe u actually think the M3 is fast hahahahahahahahahaha

It is fast, why dont you look the 0-60 times.

And the sadder thing is that u can't even race with an M3 more than 5 times probably???? U would need to get out of ur "PRESTIGIOUS CAR" and pick the freakin gearbox up from the ground...hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah thats when u will need the donkey u were talking about to come and take u back home!

Wats the deal u stupid SOB Agent001 stop deleting my account, Ill show u.

I wasnt talking about donkeys

because 0-60 isnt what the car is about. the M3 is capable of dropping 280kms or even a little more but it'll take it years to get to it

Over and over again. Over and over again.

i wasnt refering to u when i was talking about the donkeys its M6boy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpN20ExVIh8
check that out M3 if u like the IS350

how bout we all drop this rubbish and talk bout wat everyone that comes to this thread wants... the next generation 7 series... personally think its lookin good.. but im not overly keen on turbo charging this big fella cause it seems abit mercedes benz.. personally natural aspirtation is the bmw way... i got no rpoblem with it but aslong as its not the top of the range for that i think we need the 6.75 litre rolls royce engine or a bigger v12... and this time round a M7 pleaseeee.... also colour code the whole interior aswell cause the black and beige looks cheapish... lookin good but

how bout we all drop this rubbish and talk bout wat everyone that comes to this thread wants... the next generation 7 series... personally think its lookin good.. but im not overly keen on turbo charging this big fella cause it seems abit mercedes benz.. personally natural aspirtation is the bmw way... i got no rpoblem with it but aslong as its not the top of the range for that i think we need the 6.75 litre rolls royce engine or a bigger v12... and this time round a M7 pleaseeee.... also colour code the whole interior aswell cause the black and beige looks cheapish... lookin good but

To all you Fanatics:
Either BMW or Lexus, you guys need to get laid...

M3Owns,

The new 7 is going to better than the stupid S class and even the lexus LS, simply because it will handlebetter, more performance and is going to have a nice style. Mercedes will always do what it does hide behind the three sliver spoke stars.
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How many buyers in this class care about handling?

Right.

The S-Class isn't stupid and so is the LS. In fact, IMHO, they both look much better than the ugly BMW 7-series: and I am a Bimmer fan.

Adoptgreyhounds,

Merc's and Chrylsers share componets not a word.
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No. Chrysler USES MB parts. It's not the other way around. And many people know that Chrysler makes uses of MB parts.

wat about MB they copied BMW when they developed AMG's so we r not talking about copying categories we r talking development stage dude.
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Wrong. AMG was already active before BMW M was born. AMG began in the late 1960s. The first BMW M appareared in the 1980s.

M6willrule,

BMW is way better in sports than MB.
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Hey, I love BMW just as much as the next guy, but you got to give credit where credit is due. MB has quite a history of success in motorsports, they just don't build their cars to be sporty because they aim for a totally different target market than BMW.

Will,

Also, many people say that the rear on the new S-Class is from the Maybach, but I agree with you, it's from the 7.
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I love BMW, but I am the first to defend the new S-Class because the rear of the S-Class came from the Maybach. Compare the Bangle Butt to the S-Class rear: they don't even look the same. Now, compare the Maybach rear to the S-Class rear: DING DING.

ToyotaLexus,

And BTW the M3 is honestly a car that is really slow and is not half as what people say about it, my friend's E500 smoked it.
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A
1) The M3 driver didn't know how to drive
2) The E500 driver knew how to drive

B
1) The M3 driver didn't know how to drive
2) The E500 was supped up

C)
1) You're making this up. ;)

M3Owns,

I will tell you why lexus is more reliable. You guys know why? Because people who own lexus cars cant do the fun things like bmw owners do so they will be scared to drive their cars near the speed limit and turn their signals 2 minutes before they make a turn because they cant turn at high speeds so that the car wont rool over , so that is why most of the lexus owners are so protective about their cars , not that , its just that they have to be. that is why bmw cars break more than a lexus.
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You posted some funny stuff in this thread. Immature, but funny and entertaining.

But this latest explanation is just plain stupid.

LOOK WHO'S TALKING. THE NUMBER ONE "LEXUS IS THE BEST" SUPPORTER ON THESE BOARDS, MR WILL!!!!

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Or do you, just like everyone else spew nothing but OPINIONS on how BMW is the best in the world?
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I don't think I have ever stated that BMW is the "best in the world". I openly admit that when it comes to luxury, BMW is usually not a big player. When it comes to DRIVING DYNAMICS, BMW is the benchmark. In other words, other premium makes might make the better luxury cars, but BMW makes the better sports sedans.

I usually give credit where credit is due. Recently, I've been loosing my cool but I am regaining it. Gosh some of you Toyota-Lexus fanboys are really annoying.

I don't think much of M3Owns. I think he's the BMW version of "LexusIS350". A confused young individual who is BMW-biased.

M6Owns? I don't believe he drives a Pagani Zonda. Some people here claim to drive all these exotic cars, yet they talk like little children. I know a poser when I see one.

BMWDubai? Also slightly BMW-biased but generally decent input.

God this is a retarded thread. Will, please stop bringing up Lexus in every BMW post, it's real irritating. EVERY SINGLE POST turns into a battle of Lexus vs. BMW. Who really cares already? ahhhh, I might have to stop reading this stuff, losing brain cells each word I read.

BTW I think there is some confusion over the whole turbo argument (back on topic). Nobody claims they enhance fuel economy, the point is that you get V8 performance with the fuel economy of a I-6 or V-6. Get it?

sorry if this was already mentioned but i had to stop reading after post 374 because it was getting a little off topic. so here goes:

what they mean when they say the performance of a v8 from a v6 with the gas of a v6 is common marketing lingo in the car buisness.

the turbo does nothing to save fuel economy on its own, except by being 20-30% more fuel effecient than a super-charger. how it is more fuel effecient, is that the turbo basicly replaces 2 cylinders. you get all the performance of a big bulky v8, but you have less weight and less consumption of gas because of a lower displacement (the combined volume of all the cylinders at max capacity.)
car companys have diff ways of creating a harmony of performance and fuel economy. hybrids are not one of them as they are generaly terrabily underpowered and weak. turbo, turbo-deisel, super-chargers, and multi-displacement systems are a few examples of how they do this. if they say it will get the gas of a v6 but fool you with v8 power, then more power to them. the car just better had back it up.
imo since i sell chryslers i like the 300c's system. the MDS deactivates 4 cylinders part of the time (and does so in a bout 4 millisecs) to conserve on fuel. now u really do have the hemi power of a v8, but get the gas mileage of 3.5L V6.
I dont think they were copying anything especially hybrids when they built this car or created their advertising.

WOW!!!! This has really gotten too long. I guess every couple of months we get new BMW fans and have to go through the BMW vs. Lexus thing over and over again. WOW!!!

Oh to go back on topic according to EPA the 335i gets 19/28 fuel economy and the LS 430 gets 18/25 (and I believe the new LS is supposed to get better fuel economy right? So the V-8 performance and 6-cylinder economy doesn't apply to Lexus models. And yes that is exactly what Lexus said when their new RX400h came out - the first Lexus hybrid).

Worldwide, doesn't MB and BMW sell more then Lexus? So does this make them the best as well? Lexus is best in the US and is waiting expansion in the world - but MB and BMW have been around forever and sell better internationally. So according to your logic, just more MB and BMW being sold doesn't make them the best right? Or am I wrong here?

kart1

"WOW!!!! This has really gotten too long. I guess every couple of months we get new BMW fans and have to go through the BMW vs. Lexus thing over and over again. WOW!!!"

What an IDIOT statement.

Last time I checked this post is regarding BMW,
you and your bed buddy Will are those idiots that post too times, this post was bound to DOOM starting off with tha first post...

"Lexus"


G

No. The reason why you made that first comment, as well as rest of the 44335632 comments on this post, was to show how much time you've got on your "hands" buddy.


G

Next time you've got a comment, raise your hand.


G

Will,

For one, "Lexus is the best" IS NOT AN OPINION!!!
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And that's what makes you a troll. Loud and clear.


Lexus is THE #1 BEST_SELLING LUXURY CAR IN NORTH AMERICA!!!

Let's see you "give credit" to this FACT?!?!
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At least this is a FACT, not some bullshit to come out of Lexus Dremland...

Will,

For one, "Lexus is the best" IS NOT AN OPINION!!!
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And that's what makes you a troll. Loud and clear.


Lexus is THE #1 BEST_SELLING LUXURY CAR IN NORTH AMERICA!!!

Let's see you "give credit" to this FACT?!?!
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At least this is a FACT, not some bullshit to come out of Lexus Dreamland...

Will,

But they have been overtaken in the largest of all the automotive markets; Lexus surpasses them in North America.
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Because a lot of middle aged Asian women need a small sporty looking SUV to bring little Johnny to soccer practice. Cut the BS Will, Lexus sales are largely helped by the RX SUV - the best-selling Lexus in the US. Period.


B) after conquering the largest and toughest market, how hard can the others be?
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The rest of the world ain't easily fooled by a Toyota with an L badge on the hood. BMW and MB have prestige that is internationally accepted. Lexus has nothing internationally. You think someone with money to spend in China is going to buy a Lexus? Hell no, they'll consider European brands first because they stand for something.

BMW530i stated that you're a "troll", will. Well lets see, I'm 6'3" (193cm) tall and obviously you're a troll, so in that reguard i CAN count higher than you can.

I cant count enough to deternine that your IQ level doesn't surpass tha number of your fingers on your "hands"


G

What a near-racist comment!
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Racist? Look around you. The only people I see driving RX's are Asian women. How is that a racist comment?

Do you want me to say that because I was German-Jewish ancestry, I drive a BMW? Huh?

Geeez...

was = have

BMW530i-

The RX is the best selling because it's the best suv designed for it's purpose, hauling people around in comfort.

This is late but, Chryslers using M-B parts is sharing.

Lexus was designed for the U.S. market.

Adoptgreyhounds,

Yes, thanks for stating that the RX is the best-selling SUV. My question, why does someone need an SUV which can't even go offroad to drive around in comfort? I live in America, I am an American, and I don't get it. SUV to me = workhorse, not comfort car. ;)

And yeah, Lexus was designed for the US market. The German brands were designed for the German / European market, but have found international acceptance and appeal. Lexus knows that Americans love "value", so they undercut the Europeans and hence Lexus is the best-selling nameplate of luxury in the US.

BMW530i,

I ask myself the same question. A sportwagon will do everything most people need.

"You're resorting to telling me how tall you are to prove you can count?"

So now you're slow, remedial and a troll?


G

i must be a slow remedial troll too because i didnt quite get that point either, oh well. you guys are so cute when ur mad. like naked baby birds fighting over a half regurgitated worm

Ok class, let go over this one more again, and this time very slowwwly for our 2 slow, remedial, troll students...


G

...will and dipshit83, sorry I jus had to write that.


G

Ok 001, time to shut this thread DOWN.


G

THIS IS DEFINATLY A world war 3 lol.

here it come again, lexus fanboys spoiling another thread. just accept the fatct. BMW RULES OVER UR ASSES

Will, go back to your Lexus Dreamland, please.

I think this is the age old "my car is better than yours" argument. Nice to see people are so passionate. Let me chime in...I have owned each of the big 3 (Lexus, BMW, MB) Each has its advantages over the other. You cant touch the lexus for quality, smooth quiet ride. The Germans perform better...they are "drivers" cars. Wanna actually hear your engine?? Dont get a lexus lol. It just depends on how you drive...me...I drive hard and fast so I prefer the BMWs. My wife misses the Lexus...that should tell you something ..eh hem.

By the way...these comments should be limited to the intended discussion..the new 7-series with a turbo. How awesome is that ...anyway its my opinion that someone who doesnt even drive a sports sedan should go find a small luxury SUV forum and discuss how great your wifes car is! Are you kidding me ...actually admitting you drive a RX???? LMAO

You know in the end all I have to say now is:

That only Toyota's last this long.

Whether it is with 200+ posts or 200k+ miles.

I get a new car every 2-3 years so enjoy your 200k mile toyota. I like driving new fast cars. Have anything to say about the BMW 7 series with turbo?

Extract - First of all the oldest vehicle in my house is a 2005. Second I don't drive the same car for more than 2 years and I don't drive a Toyota either.

7-series turbo and the use of Toyota's slogan of V-8 power and V-6 economy: Is this the first it has happened? By the way I pointed out that this statement doesn't work with the Lexus V-8's (the 430 and the new 460).

What do you have to say about every Lexus post getting more than 100+ comments? Quit ignoring Lexus like it is going to go away.

OH sorry - by saying "Is this the first it has happened?" I meant that is the 7-series the first turbo. I mean its good that BMW wants to put more speed - there is nothing wrong with that. That question just asked me to state the obvious. What do I have to say: Go power.

Hehehehe. Im glad to see that some ppl here have no lives and to how far this discussion progressed.

Oh and bmw530i, i agree that no m3 could be beaten by an e500. Imagine that he even said that a caprice SS beat it (im still laughing).
But and BUT!! in no way u have the right to turn my word around when i said that i have a zonda c12. U can ask M3owns he saw it. Regardless of giving proof, u have no right to say so.
Plus, my point abt bmw m vs. AMG I never mentioned dates to say who started first or who didnt. What i meant to say was that BMW is a better performer when it comes to sport cars and sometimes MB tops them in luxury and design of cars (e.g. E class)

m3 owns is the same person as m6 willrule, i reckon...
what else do you have besides the zonda?

BMWs shouldn't be turbos.

im on the road wenevr i want to? and plus there r some restrictions here on my zonda, so i cant drive it anywhere i have to have a permit on some roads, so its quite a hassle.
On the highway though, ohh yeah!!

i got sumtin for u lexus boys im from downunder and lexus aint even considered luxury the only thing its got goin for is that its cheaper alot cheaper yet BMW and MERCEDES BENZ the real luxury cars outsell them..... th e BMW X5 which is over 7 yrs old is still nearly selling enuff to be ion the top 20 cars and for australia that is simply awesome no lexus comes close to any beamer even the the 7 series is outselling the A8 and mercedes benz and its getting old aswell

^Oh dear

ToyotaLexus



Man … do u know that the 545i is as almost as powerful as the E39 M5!!

As for 545i getting Slower by time is totally wrong the more u drive more power u will get .I don’t think u know anything about bmw .

I am driving M3 since 2002/02 146,000km no problem here even with temp 54c
A/C is colder than any Japanese car…and I find it durable because. I will tell why

The gearbox oil.. is life time u don’t have to change it! While in lexus and other Japan cars for example u have to change it every 40,000km.

Spark plugs on bmw will go more than 100,000km (I changed mine once only since 2002) while on lexus it's every 10,000km

Oil change on bmw will go to 30,000km 25k for m3...while on lexus every 5000-10,000km

And I drive my m3 everyday at 8000Rpm engine still running like new

As for M3 is slow…this shows that u don’t know anything about cars…0 to 200 in about 17s is not slow .A stupid caprice ss will beat an m3 ha ha ha lumina ss can not (Ask them) the lumia ss stock will do 0 to 200 in 24 seconds.




Anyway I think u r confused between M3 and 330i
come on man a 343hp Coupe 1550kg with 6 speed Sequential gearbox vs caprice ss 300hp heavy Automatic sedan. As for E500 ur dreaming that it will beat M3 see comparison between 00 M3 vs 01 SL500( E500 almost same performance as SL500) and C6 05 corvette barely beats M3!! So if chevy caprice ss beat m3 than 400 hp chevy corvette is no match for caprice ss Ha ha ha

(I dont think u live in qatar cause people there know what a bmw can do)




Source : http://www.track-challenge.com


Make BMW M GmbH | Mercedes-Benz
M3 E46 | SL 500
I6 3.2L 343hp | V8 5.0L 306hp!!
|
0-40Km/h: 1,6 s | 1,9 s
0-60Km/h: 2,5 s | 3,2 s
0-80Km/h: 3,9 s | 4,7 s
0-100Km/h:5,2 s | 6,5 s
0-180Km/h:14,7s | 18,4 s
0-200km/h:18,1s | 23,4 s



Make BMW M GmbH | Chevrolet

00 M3 E46 | 05 Corvette C6
I6 3.2L 343hp | V8 6.0 400hp
|
0-40Km/h: 1,6 s | 1,8 s
0-60Km/h: 2,5 s | 2,7 s
0-80Km/h: 3,9 s | 3,7 s
0-100Km/h:5,2 s | 5,2 s
0-180Km/h:14,7s | 13,6 s
0-200km/h:18,1s | 16.8 s



Make BMW M GmbH | Subaru
00 M3 E46 | 04 WRX STI
I6 3.2L 343hp | B4 2.0 265hp!!
|
0-40Km/h: 1,6 s | 1,4 s
0-60Km/h: 2,5 s | 2,3 s
0-80Km/h: 3,9 s | 3,9 s
0-100Km/h:5,2 s | 5,9 s
0-180Km/h:14,7s | 19,6 s
0-200km/h:18,1s | 25.9 s



Make BMW M GmbH | Subaru
00 M3 E46 | 00 Impreza Gt Turbo
I6 3.2L 343hp | B4 2.0 215hp!!
|
0-40Km/h: 1,6 s | 1,2 s
0-60Km/h: 2,5 s | 2,5 s
0-80Km/h: 3,9 s | 4,2 s
0-100Km/h:5,2 s | 5,8 s
0-180Km/h:14,7s | 19,7 s
0-200km/h:18,1s | 29.3 s



Make BMW M GmbH | Nissan
00 M3 E46 | 03 350Z
I6 3.2L 343hp | V6 3.5L 280hp
|
0-40Km/h: 1,6 s | 1,8 s
0-60Km/h: 2,5 s | 2,8 s
0-80Km/h: 3,9 s | 4,2 s
0-100Km/h:5,2 s | 5,8 s
0-180Km/h:14,7s | 16.9 s
0-200km/h:18,1s | 22.8 s



Make BMW M GmbH | Mitsubishi
00 M3 E46 | 02 Evo VII
I6 3.2L 343hp | 2.0 280hp
|
0-40Km/h: 1,6 s | 1,3 s

Make BMW M GmbH | Mitsubishi
00 M3 E46 | 02 Evo VII
I6 3.2L 343hp | 2.0 280hp
|
0-40Km/h: 1,6 s | 1,3 s
0-60Km/h: 2,5 s | 2,2 s
0-80Km/h: 3,9 s | 3,5 s
0-100Km/h:5,2 s | 4,8 s
0-180Km/h:14,7s | 16,4 s
0-200km/h:18,1s | 21.9 s



Make BMW M GmbH | Aston Martin

00 M3 E46 | 05 vantage
I6 3.2L 343hp | V8 4.2 385hp
|
0-40Km/h: 1,6 s | 1,8 s
0-60Km/h: 2,5 s | 2,7 s
0-80Km/h: 3,9 s | 4,1 s
0-100Km/h:5,2 s | 5,5 s
0-180Km/h:14,7s | 15,8 s
0-200km/h:18,1s | 18.8 s



M5

Make BMW M GmbH | Dodge

04 M5 E60 | 05 Viper SRT-10
V10 5.0L 507hp | V10 8.3L506hp
|
0-40Km/h: 1,5 s | 1,7 s
0-60Km/h: 2,3 s | 2,5 s
0-80Km/h: 3,5 s | 3,4 s
0-100Km/h:4,5 s | 4,5 s
0-180Km/h:11,6s | 11,4 s
0-200km/h:13,8s | 14.0 s




Make BMW M GmbH | Aston Martin

04 M5 E60 | 03 Vanquish
V10 5.0L 507hp | V12 6.0L 469hp
|
0-40Km/h: 1,5 s | 1,9 s
0-60Km/h: 2,3 s | 2,9 s
0-80Km/h: 3,5 s | 3,9 s
0-100Km/h:4,5 s | 5,4 s
0-180Km/h:11,6s | 12,9 s
0-200km/h:13,8s | 15.6 s

please post a pic of you with your M6 and Zonda...go ahead and stand in between them...LMAO

huu76

The subaru sti cannot pass speed of 240kmh and its not restricted because it cannot go more than that…A stock M3 goes to 280kmh( been there) when derestricted it will hit 315 Kmh also we hit 280 in 5th gear at 8000rpm for ur information a derestricted M5 will go more than 330kmh..thats more than a Ferrari F430

Will, my wife has an RX, and I'm assuring you that they're very feminine cars. They're designed FOR females- they even have a space in between the shift column and the sliding-cupholders specifically for purses!

I don't enjoy being seen in that thing... goodbye Lexus, hello Jaguar!

Will, my wife has an RX, and I'm assuring you that they're very feminine cars. They're designed FOR females- they even have a space in between the shift column and the sliding-cupholders specifically for purses!

I don't enjoy being seen in that thing... goodbye Lexus, hello Jaguar!

bmw blowing hot air? sounds about right.

agent, it doesn't bother me at all. I can keep doin this all day. so give up now and i will spare u, hahahah.

hehehehehehe

Still BMW530 I just wanted to have fun, thats all but that doesnt change anything, BMW is still king of the hill in performance and power.

Alright people, for anyone who is still commenting here, plz cross the 300 barrier. It will be the article with the most comments in the history of autospies.

Give urselves a mighty clap and celebrate!!

Yep, BMW are going turbo (I4, I6, V8 & V12). Of course NAengines are staying too. Expect every line to one NA engine & one turbo - both with several output versions.

F01/2 7er: minda that LWB F02 will differ form SWB F01 in styling: SWB being more sporty, dynamic & performance oriented, while F02 will be more luxurious, elegant & comfortable.

Also a bunch of new technology is coming with F01/2 ...

This is a great decision by BMW. What really makes BMW so special is when they decide to make a move, they do it right. For example the new bi-turbo 335i, this car delivers the output of a 4.4 liter V8 engine with ZERO turbo lag. There is no doubt this engine will take home the Oscar for engine of the year. Now a bi-turbo 7 Series, simply amazing.

Refug - Yeah so when people come into the BMW article and start talking about Lexus, then it becomes a problem. However, when BMW fans come into the Lexus articles and talk about BMW that is absolutely fine, huh???

Nice standards.

I don't think I posted any comments that have made this into a war. I am not against any comparison talk. However, posts regarding BMW, Lexus, and Audi always turn into flame wars. Are fans attacking at everything rather than to take the whole perspective in?

Although I have to say the BMW 7-series split idea of yours is good.

1995e34 - not attacking you there.

Gawd, These so called Lexus fans are really irritating and have made me say goodbye to reading these posts. This was a BMW topic and I wonder how this ubiquitous idiot manages to barge into every section and start a war of words- extremely childish behaviour. Good bye, Autospies.

Styling differences F01 vs F02:

F01 more agressive & dynamic, F02 more elegant & commanding

- front fascia: different bumper with different air intake, different headlights, slightly different grille design (F01 more aggressive, F02 more commanding)
- rear: different bumper, different rear lights - only the part on the boot lid, visiable vs invisiable exhaust pipes.
-side: different side skirt / rocker pannel

Interior will have same styling - expect different trim choices.

This is hilarious...

BMW vs. Lexus never ends!

And some of us just smile contendedly on the side, knowing Audi is obviously the best...

Just kidding, just kidding! I don't want to start another war!

And Will, yes, the RX is so feminine. You can't deny that! How many women vs. men do you see driving that? I've observed that it's something like 9 to 1 in favor of women. I mean the RX is a good car, but it's not masculine in the least.

This is hilarious...

BMW vs. Lexus never ends!

And some of us just smile contendedly on the side, knowing Audi is obviously the best...

Just kidding, just kidding! I don't want to start another war!

And Will, yes, the RX is so feminine. You can't deny that! How many women vs. men do you see driving that? I've observed that it's something like 9 to 1 in favor of women. I mean the RX is a good car, but it's not masculine in the least.

Sorry for the double-posting... it took forever to post so I clicked it again.

Yep, congratulations we hit a record in comments!!
We should have our names put on Guiness or something. Who ever moderates this please pass this message forward. Don't u all agree?

man this is funny ! lol

I look forward to se what BMW will give us of turbo engines in the future. 335i looks nice, so lets hope we get both bigger and smaller engines with turbo.

Stop that silly discussion about Lexus/BMW/MB/Audi they all make great cars, in different ways, Comfort MB/Lexus Sport: BMW a little of both; Audi.
Have a nice day;)

this thread went way off topic. Im to lazy to read all the comments lol.

huu76

i didnt say that i own all that cars!! I only own e46 M3 and a Z06

here is video for M6 doning 330km/h
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4243445487353764300&q=M6&hl=en


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2533133705838773675&q=m3+top+speed


here is m3 doning 300kmh

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-765410936431664905&q=m3&hl=en

note that he will hit 280 in fith gear at 8000rpm

huu76

I dont think u have drevin any bmw or sports cars cause
those speeds (280kmh) is totaly normal in these cars unlike (japanese cars) and I have clocked Z06 at 326kmh

lol , This thread is still alive, Good times good times