TDI Dead? Volkswagen Pulls 2.0 Liter Diesels From 2016 VW And Audi Model Year Lineup

This isn't too surprising. They have their hands full taking care of the cars already on the street. After that, they have to satisfy the EPA the new cars are compliant. With the time it all takes, I could see them instead concentrating on MY2017.

That article didn't mention Audi, it only mentioned the 2.0 TDI, which is only in the A3. Audi isn't going to be removing their 3.0 TDI in the Q5, Q7, A6, A7 lines.

Also, I have a 2015 Golf TDI, and there is no way I'm going near a dealer for the recall until I find out the performance impact. It has the newer EA288 engine that uses AdBlue, so hopefully it won't be affected (as much).

The 2015 might need a software change that would largely increase the use of the Additive fluid (I wish they would come up with something better than Urea) - but should not affect the performance otherwise. Note - there is no indication that the problem even extends to the later engine. Noting that your car fails to meet emission standards will require you to get their fix - no matter what it does to their performance - because there will probably be a fine for not getting it done - and you certainly will not be able to sell the car without it.

I would suggest that VW will not re-introduce Diesel engines for far more than a year. And they will not do so until they can advertise them having been tested independently for compliance. ANd the question is - will they still have the performance people will want - and more important - will they still cost a lot more than gas - with cheap gas prices. About the only thing that could change that would be a major increase in gas prices - but with the introduction of Iranian oil onto the market- there will still be a glut.

Tom, I agree that the SCR cars will likely only see an increase in AdBlue consumption, with no impact on mileage or performance. Since many people that have bothered to track their AdBlue consumption, they are currently going from 12-15,000 miles before the warning comes on. Even tripling the consumption is a minor expense to the owner.

My son-in-law's Jetta, however, will need something more. What that is, no one knows yet. If they have to add SCR to make the Golf and Jetta compliant, I wouldn't be surprised to see a buy-back offer, as the complexity of adding the SCR system would probably exceed the value of the car. On both cars, space for a urea tank is non-existent without replacing the rear suspension. And that would mean a severe change in the car.

Since VW has rescinded their 2016 certification request, I agree that MY2017 will likely be the earliest we see a 4 cylinder TDI offered again. For now, the V6 TDI is all you can get from VAG.

Please PULL THE PLUG ON ALL VW AND AUDI. LONG LIVE PORSCHE. JUST KILL THE PORSCHE SUV AND 4DOOR.

With VW's credibility blown by Dieselgate, I believe it would be a terribly embarrassing move to try to certify 2016 diesel models with 11,000,000 existing non-compliant models worldwide. I *speculate* that VW is doing the following:
(1) Formulate a fix for existing affected engines
(2) Prove to various governments and agencies that the fix works, and you KNOW they'll be scrutinizing extra closely, with a high degree of suspicion (fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me)
(3) Then demonstrate to various governments and agencies that the new 2016s are being tested honestly, and are ready for certification.
(4) Go for the certification, which is basically a formality, confirming the extremely scrutinized tests that have already happened.

My hope is that governments and agencies change the testing process to include emissions under real-world operating conditions, and not just under a very narrow set of lab conditions.

Pulling the TDI from VW is the absolute right thing to do. They need to demonstrate that their premium diesels are compliant however.

pull all GM AND DODGE DIESEL. THEY ARE A LOT WORSE.

You are talking about older models that do not have the urea systems. The ones sold today meet the new standard.