Next Generation TDI Previewed in America Out of All Places

I read the thread, it is supposed to get 40 mpg city and 60 highway. Amazing.

The milage might be a bit high, but I expect the next generation of VW TDIs to be very very good. One thing that is a fact, is that it idles as quietly as a gasoline powered Camry.

Diesel is expensive!!!!!!!! period

Not really. Depends on the area but usaully not much more expensive than gas, 5 cents or so. Even the most expensive diesel won't be more than 10% more expensive, but the TDI will easily give you 40% more fuel efficiency. That means plenty of money saved. This also comes with greater performance.

In my area it is actually running about 30 cents a gallon more. Availability is not a problem, but the dropping gas prices are really undercutting and if gas stays low it will also hurt sales. Now for this machine, I will believe it when I see it. Definitely. Because of these things

40/60 mpg
50 state legal
Idles quieter than a Camry???

Definitely have to see this, no doubt.

30 cents is about 10% here. TDI will get you milage way above 10%, and after ULSD gets to market it will fall down probably.

The ones that want better products than what BMW has.(Golf vs. 1 series) Germans seem to love the Golf, don't you think they know something about cars?

Will,

why is that. This is the latest diesel out right now.

it says it idles like the toyota camry next to it.
they must have parked next to an 89 camry or something. i really have my doubts, as much as i love deisels its hard to imagine they have already produced one (a 2.0 no less) that is quieter than a camry. maybe a 6 cyl camry(a larger engine makes more noise correct?) now if they said it was smoother than a cavilier/cobalt, i prob wouldn't doubt it at all.

Haha makes me laugh that u arent farmiliar with this stuff

BTW: diesels are not noisy at all,

logical is such a total idiot.

VW is the largest company in Germany, by far- they make a LOT more than BMW each year. Combined, their assets shine much brighter: Lamborghini, Bugatti, Bentley, Audi, Skoda, SEAT, and of course, Volkswagen. A lot better-sounding than "BMW, Rolls-Royce and MINI" IMHO.

I live in Europe, and a 140 hp 2.0 TDI engine is definitely not quieter than an actual Camry. You can still hear it's a diesel. The thing is, it has so much torq available from 1500 revs, so it's easy to drive, and it gives back good mpg, but unfortunately diesel and gas prices are almost the same here in Europe. Europeans love diesels, in France 70% or so new cars are diesels. Maybe an alternative is Propane-buthane gas, which is twice cheaper than gas. But it needs an indipendent fuel distribution system. I have one in my car.

This is a brand new diesel, they haven't put this inot any producton cars yet, not even in Europe.

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huu76

I see basically the same real world numbers, while the EPA has much much much much much much higer numbers. I told you hybrids cheat the EPA test. 31 and 33 are very close, same as 53 and 56. And new diesels WILL be more fuel efficient. The brand new Audi V12 TDI with 500 hp IS more fuel efficient than the old V10 TDI with 310 hp. Do I need to say more.

I meant to say that the Prius and the Jetta got very similar real world fuel economy numbers, while the EPA rates the Prius way higher, reinforcing everything that I have said previously.

Dude, the article that YOU provided, showed almost no difference in real world fuel economy.Hybrids only looks great on the EPA test numbers, that are obviosly exaggerated as evidensed with YOUR own article. This is what you wrote:

Popular Mechanics did a real world test and the TDI only got 31/53mpg, the Prius got 33/56.

To me those numbers are so close that I can't say that the Prius has any real fuel economy advantage. Of course the EPA difference is much bigger.

Diesel and gas prices are different in different places, the spread is down to 5 cents in some places.

huu76,

The fact is diesel still can't beat hybrids...
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huu76,

Let's stop delving pointlessly into figures as your only source of discussion.

Let's put our 'driving hat' on for a moment (An incredible idea that, cars are made to be driven?) and look at diesels. Diesels offer a economical alternative to petrol's, without removing the heart of many a car fan, that being the piston engine.

Compared to petrol engines, modern diesels offer better economy, higher torque (and therefore better pulling power), better performance from a smaller displacement, faster over-taking acceleration compared to an equivalent petrol, and with the various performance ECU re-maps available for VAG TDI's, tyre-spinning performance in almost every gear, with only minor effects on economy.

In Europe, many 'sporty' petrol cars are simply out-classed performance-wise by these new diesels.

All this WITHOUT resorting to the un-sporty, un-car like idea of replacing an engine note with an electric motor hum.

There are better gains and more fun to be had with diesels.

diesels are much more economical than hybrids

well at least Golf plus is more economical than a Prius -PROVEN

mdalle, i absolutley love the lupo. it's so cute and little :P.

the a2 did the same thing didn't it? 3L per 100km?

huu, 90 imperial mpg is like 78 US mpg.

huu76

You are so freaking dense. The particulate filter NEVER needs replacement, it continioulsy cleans it self. This basically makes all your points irrelevent, you don't even know how modern diesels work, knowledge=power. How about them batteries in your hybrids?

huu, not the polo 3L, the LUPO 3L.

Particulate filters burn them at such a high temperature than the particulates are no longer dangerous.

Alternators don't hold energy, only make it. Please learn some stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternator

I think you were talking about a capacitator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor

It is hard to hold a discussion about technology with these error. Also, diesel is not even close to 30% more expensive, it would have to be a whole dollar more expensive here to be 30% more expensive, it isn't. Ever heard of this wise saying, Torque is what drives the car, horsepower is what sells the car.

The reason diesel locomotives have elctric engines is to eliminate the transmission. Still togather combined that makes for some very old technology. A pure electric train is much better, and used in countries with developed rail roads.

mdalle,
audi made the a2 on a similar 3L concept. too expensive, lots of aluminium, but very economical.

huu, we're not saying diesels save the world, but neither do hybrids. it's a stop-gap, until we invent something better.
you know, diesel isn't the worst thing ever, and i'll agree, hybrids aren't either. but stop touting them as the planet saviour and diesel as a terrible, because they're not.

and torque lets you change gear less, so it is useful in small cars. (but not in the US where everything seems to be auto).

Electric trains get their power from wires running above the train, or a third rail in the subway. You can't get more energy by using an alternator. ALL cars have them to run stuff like headlights. Alternators don't get power out of nowhere, there is no such thing as free energy or multiplying force without giving up something in return.

MDalle is correct, however internal combustion engines are a bit more efficeinte than that. I hear about 30 or so % (gasoline) this is of course not including drivetrain loses. The Audi V8 TDI is about 41% fuel efficient. The best turbine used to make electricity is only around 50-60%.

And to talk about performance for a second, consider this:

Current Jetta Gas engine: 150 hp and 170 pound feet of torque

Current Jetta TDI: 100 hp and 177 pound feet of torque.

You would think that the TDI would be much slower, but it isn't, only 1 second slower in 0-60. The 140 hp diesel will have a performance advantage over the 150 hp gasoline engine.

Are you people stupid or what,do your research on the tdi then speak?Bush is a texas oil barron. they don't want fuel economy, honda crx h/f in early 80's @ 50 plus, now most cars by honda 30+mpg. TDI passed 06 emission in their 98 model TDI's










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