C&D - 2007 Infiniti G35 Sport 6MT Sedan "0 - 60mph in 5.2s"

C&D - 2007 Infiniti G35 Sport 6MT Sedan
2007 Infiniti G35 Sport 6MT Sedan - Road Tests

A swell sequel to a first act that was very strong.
It’s no secret that creating a new car whose visual and visceral appeals hit enough buyer sweet spots to make it a winner is chapter one in the great book of designer challenges. Not so well known, though, is chapter two: the follow-up. When the debutante gets rave reviews, whaddya do for the encore in four years? A major makeover? Or just the automotive equivalent of a little more eye shadow and a few sequins.

BMW has faced this challenge with its 3-series sedans for decades, responding each time with a cautious evolutionary styling update augmented by significant engineering improvements. It’s an approach that obviously works — for BMW. The 3-series is the benchmark in the entry luxury-sports-sedan segment, with 15 consecutive appearances on the Car and Driver 10Best Cars list to underscore its preeminence.

But can this policy work for a newcomer? Has the second-gen G35 got the chops to keep pace with the fifth-gen Bimmer? The short answer is a definite maybe.

History: The G35 was an unknown quantity when it made its appearance in mid-2002 as an ’03 model — an eager rear-drive sports sedan replacing the I35, a badge-job version of the front-drive Nissan Maxima. Suddenly, Infiniti was a real contender in a game that has belonged almost exclusively to players from Germany, particularly those hailing from Bavaria. The real exclamation point came when a G35 prevailed in a seven-car sports-sedan shootout that included — ta-da! — a BMW [“$35,000 Sports Sedans,” C/D, March 2004]. Okay, the deck was stacked slightly in the G35’s favor. To keep the playing field level by price, the BMW was a 325i rather than a 330i, thus giving away 76 horses to its Asian assailant. But never mind. How many other Japanese sedans have topped a BMW 3-series sedan in C/D comparos over the past 20 years? Clue: zero.

The 3-series reasserted its primacy in a “$35,000 Sports Sedans” rematch that included a 2006 Lexus IS350 [C/D, October 2005], and we described the G35 as “aging gracefully.” How quickly new becomes not-so-new in the car biz. But more to the point, we think it likely the updated G would have given the 330i a much stronger run for first place. Here’s why.

Leaving the cautious styling update aside for the moment, this is a distinctly more capable G35 than the original: quicker straight ahead, quicker on its feet, with a new variable-assist rack-and-pinion steering system that tells the driver more about what the front tires are doing than did the previous setup. Infiniti also offers a new active-steering option that’s touted as a response enhancer, but it wasn’t present on our test car, and in any case, we wonder whether it’s worth the extra money — $1200, at a guess — or the added weight — about 25 pounds.

Speaking of weight, like almost all new cars, the G35 scales in a little heavier than the previous edition. Infiniti says 48 pounds and lists curb weight at 3532. In our comparo a year ago, the G35 weighed 3520, and this similarly equipped ’07 version ran our needle up to 3583. Increased mass is never a good thing — you probably notice that when you step on the scales at home — but in this case there are mitigating factors. For one, the updated FM architecture, shared with the Nissan 350Z and Infiniti FX45, is 40 percent stiffer, according to Infiniti, due in part to more extensive spot and seam welding in the unibody.

For another, there’s more thrust from the car’s 3.5-liter V-6 engine, the fourth generation of Nissan’s VQ series. Although the bore and stroke specs of this oversquare design are unchanged, Nissan says the engine is 80 percent new, with a beefier bottom end, variable cam timing on the intake and exhaust valves (the previous engine was intake side only), reduced exhaust back pressure, a slightly higher compression ratio (10.6:1 versus 10.3), a higher redline (7600 rpm versus 7000), and improved coolant flow — among other tweaks. It all adds up to 306 horsepower at 6800 rpm and 268 pound-feet of torque at 5200 rpm.

The previous engine carried a 2006 rating of 298 horsepower and 260 pound-feet, so at a glance, this doesn’t look like much of an increase, particularly with a corresponding gain at the scales. However, the old power numbers were published before the Society of Automotive Engineers instituted its new and more stringent rating system, which means the output disparity between old and new is actually bigger. In addition, Nissan notes that the new engine’s breathing is enhanced by a ram effect through the dual air-intake system, to the tune of three more ponies at 60 mph.

Nissan calls this effect, and the car’s all-around acceleration characteristics, “swell,” in the sense of a wave gathering power as it moves along. Uh-huh. We took our test car to the track, where it hunkered down and dashed to 60 mph in 5.2 seconds, covering the quarter-mile in 13.9 seconds at 103. Hmm, that is swell, and considerably quicker than the last G35 we tested (0 to 60 in 5.9 seconds and the quarter in 14.6 at 98 mph) as well as just a blink behind the IS350. More impressive still, our G35 tester went to the track with fewer than 250 miles on the odo. That’s like putting an Olympic sprinter in the starting blocks in his street clothes. What’ll it do with a proper break-in? We look forward to finding out.

The power feeds through a six-speed manual gearbox that’s the personification of precise engagement — it makes BMW’s 3-series manual transmissions seem rubbery — to a limited-slip rear end and thence to the pavement via a set of 245/45-18 Bridgestone Potenza RE050A tires.

The 18-inch shoes (225/50-18 front) — the base rubber is 17-inch all-seasons — deliver grip that’s a little better than the previous G35 managed: 0.87 g versus 0.85, but neither number is impressive by the standards of this class. What is impressive is the G35’s nifty footwork on a set of switchbacks or that secret stretch of country road where you just know your transit times are world-class.

This honey can dance as fast as you can pedal, without a misstep and without punishing its partner in the ride department. Besides its more aggressive tires, the Sport 6MT employs firmer rear dampers and harder steering-rack bushings. It’s a setup that delivers Bimmer-esque compliance, and if the 3-series still holds an edge in this area, the distinctions have become paper thin.

G35 Sport models also have heftier brakes — bigger rotors, beefier single-piston calipers — that pay off in improved performance. The brake pedal felt a little long and a tad squishy, but our test car needed only 160 feet to stop from 70 mph, a number that would have been best in test in that October comparo.

Although the sheetmetal is all-new, Infiniti didn’t take any big chances with the G35’s second-gen styling. The outer blades of the grille are canted forward, the HID bixenon headlights are new, the hood has more contour, there’s a new character crease down the sides, and the rear roof*line is a little faster, with a little more down slope that takes a small bite out of rear-seat headroom. The wheelbase is unchanged at 112.2 inches, still the longest among the leaders in this class. However, overall length has stretched by a half-inch, width increases by 0.8 inch, and at 59.8 inches front and rear, the track has expanded by 0.7 and 0.5 inch, respectively. The roofline, meanwhile, is down by a half-inch.

The look that emerges is a little more tightly wrapped and athletic, particularly going away, but it takes a practiced eye to perceive its newness.

The interior is a different story. Upgraded materials, a superb new Bose audio option, an attractive and highly legible new instrument package, nicely placed switches with an exceptionally positive operational feel, and a sporty steering wheel with hand-stitched leather all lend an upscale feel that wasn’t really part of the first-generation G35. We’re not unanimously seduced by the aluminum interior trim — to some, at least, the optional straight-grain rosewood veneer might be preferable — and the front buckets aren’t quite in the BMW league in lateral support. On the other hand, there’s lots of power adjustability, there’s plenty of room front and rear — thanks to that long wheelbase — and interior noise is down in most operating modes, save for wide-open throttle.

Money: We don’t know. As usual, Infiniti sources will say only that they expect the new G to maintain a “highly competitive” price position. The ’06 G35 started at $31,850. We estimate the broadened ’07 range — G35, G35 Journey, G35x AWD, G35 Sport, G35 Sport 6MT — will start at about $32,500 and that our test car would retail for about $36,000, right about where 330i pricing starts.

It never gets any cheaper. But if our estimates are anywhere close to accurate, the G35 will still be one of the best buys in its class. Can best in class be far away? We smell another comparo brewing.

2007 Infiniti G35 SPORT 6MT Sedan

Vehicle type: front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan

Estimated price as tested: $36,000

Estimated base price: $32,500

Options on test car: Premium package (includes sunroof, 10-speaker sound system, and heated front seats)

Major standard accessories: power windows, seats, and locks; remote locking; A/C; cruise control; tilting and telescoping steering wheel; rear defroster

Sound system: Bose AM-FM radio/CD changer, 10 speakers

ENGINE
Type: V-6, aluminum block and heads
Bore x stroke: 3.76 x 3.20 in, 95.5 x 81.4mm
Displacement: 213 cu in, 3498cc
Compression ratio: 10.6:1
Fuel-delivery system: port injection
Valve gear: chain-driven double overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinder, hydraulic lifters, variable intake- and exhaust-valve timing
Power (SAE net): 306 bhp @ 6800 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 268 lb-ft @ 5200 rpm
Redline: 7600 rpm


DRIVETRAIN
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Final-drive ratio: 3.69:1, limited slip


Gear: Ratio: Mph/1000 rpm Max test speed
I 3.79 5.5 42 mph (7600 rpm)
II 2.32 9.0 68 mph (7600 rpm)
III 1.62 12.9 98 mph (7600 rpm)
IV 1.27 16.4 125 mph (7600 rpm)
V 1.00 20.8 158 mph (7590 rpm)
VI 0.79 26.4 158 mph (6000 rpm)
DIMENSIONS
Wheelbase: 112.2 in
Track, front/rear: 59.8/59.8 in
Length/width/height: 187.0/69.8/57.2 in
Ground clearance: 5.3 in
Drag area, Cd (0.29) x frontal area (25.2 sq ft, est): 7.3 sq ft
Curb weight: 3583 lb
Weight distribution, F/R: 53.3/46.7%
Curb weight per horsepower: 11.7 lb
Fuel capacity: 20.0 gal

CHASSIS/BODY
Type: unit construction
Body material: welded steel stampings


INTERIOR
SAE volume, front seat: 55 cu ft
rear seat: 41 cu ft
trunk: 14 cu ft
Front-seat adjustments: fore-and-aft, seatback angle, front height, rear height, thigh support; driver only: lumbar support, upper and lower side bolsters
Restraint systems, front: manual 3-point belts; driver and passenger front, side, and curtain airbags
rear: manual 3-point belts, curtain airbags


SUSPENSION
Front: ind, unequal-length control arms, coil springs, anti-roll bar
Rear: 1 control arm, 1 lateral link, 1 trailing link, and 1 toe-control link per side; coil springs; anti-roll bar


STEERING
Type: rack-and-pinion with variable hydraulic power assist
Steering ratio: 16.4:1
Turns lock-to-lock: 3.1
Turning circle curb-to-curb: 35.4 ft


BRAKES
Type: hydraulic with vacuum power assist, anti-lock control, and electronic panic assist
Front: 13.0 x 1.3-in vented disc
Rear: 13.0 x 0.6-in vented disc


WHEELS AND TIRES
Wheel size: F: 7.5 x 18 in, R: 8.5 x 18 in
Wheel type: cast aluminum
Tires: Bridgestone Potenza RE050A; F: 225/50R-18 95W, R: 245/45R-18 96W
Test inflation pressures, F/R: 33/33 psi
Spare: high-pressure compact



C/D TEST RESULTS

ACCELERATION Seconds
Zero to 30 mph 2.0
40 mph 2.8
50 mph 4.0
60 mph 5.2
70 mph 6.9
80 mph 8.6
90 mph 10.5
100 mph 13.1
110 mph 15.8
120 mph 19.0
130 mph 23.8
140 mph 30.2
150 mph 38.2
Street start, 5-60 mph: 5.8
Top-gear acceleration, 30-50 mph: 8.7
50-70 mph: 7.8
Standing 1/4 mile: 13.9 sec@ 103 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 158 mph

BRAKING
70-0 mph @ impending lockup: 160 ft

HANDLING
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.87 g
Understeer: minimal moderate excessive

FUEL ECONOMY
EPA city driving: 18 mpg
EPA highway driving: 25 mpg
C/D observed: 17 mpg

INTERIOR SOUND LEVEL
Idle: 41 dBA
Full-throttle acceleration: 79 dBA
70-mph cruising: 67 dBA


lexusis350lexusis350 - 10/2/2006 9:21:27 PM
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This car will definetely attract new buyers as well as BMW, Mercedes, Audi, and maybe Lexus buyers. Infiniti needs to kick up the luxury a bit and they will have a real winner.


Sauceboy01Sauceboy01 - 10/2/2006 9:36:46 PM
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For the conventional car buyer this may be the case. But you also have to remember that you're not only buying a BMW, you're also buying the STATUS symbol. Unfotunately, that's just how the world works.

Another take on the BMW comment. As an automotive enthusiast i would buy the 335i Sedan/Coupe over this car because of the cheap HP upgrade potential. TURBO motors give the new 3 series the edge over the G35 and others which have limited HP modification potential due to their natural aspiration.


lexusis350lexusis350 - 10/2/2006 11:58:25 PM
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That is so true Will. If you could take style, luxury, performance, and reliability, the IS and G35 are the cars you would want. The 3-series doesn't have style, luxury, or reliability.


speedracer54speedracer54 - 10/2/2006 9:51:10 PM
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Why does it have such bad gas mileage...is this the only engine offerd also?

If i was short on cash id buy the gs5 cuz of the power for the money


crackityjonescrackityjones - 10/2/2006 11:49:29 PM
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This car will shake the low hanging fruit of the enthusiast market. If you really didn't want a good car that bad, you'll fall for this.


TauronLBTauronLB - 10/3/2006 12:16:13 AM
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I am a huge fan of the last gen 3 series Bimmer. But now the Infiniti has my vote. The current 3 series interior just plain sucks. Its no where near as nice as the old cars interior. The G35 has some problem spots in the interior too but not as many as the 3 series. The way I look at it I could get a very nice g35 and spend the 10 grand that I saved from buying a new 335 on Armani suits. So that way I'd have a damn fast car and the status symbol suits!!!


00JT00JT - 10/3/2006 1:37:07 AM
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"Can best in class be far away? We smell another comparo brewing."

Let me guess how the comparo will turn out

1st place - BMW 335
2nd - Infiniti G35
3rd (if not dead last) Lexus IS350

C&D is so biased nowadays. They would anything BMW, even if it was a pile of manure with a BMW emblem.



00JT00JT - 10/3/2006 1:38:00 AM
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They would praise anything BMW....


kart1kart1 - 10/3/2006 1:46:25 AM
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You know since C&D has the IS 350 listed as 5.1 sec for 0-60 time. This is with an Automatic transmission. What can the IS 350 with an manual, although I doubt the IS 350 will get it.


DarkOneForceDarkOneForce - 10/3/2006 6:54:11 AM
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The 335i doesn't have the edge because of the turbo engine.

The engine is just one of the factors, but its the overall package that's so impresive on the 335i.

Excluding a straigh and smooth road, even the 330i is too much for the likes of the IS 350 and G35.

And was copying BMW's hofmeister kink really necesary ?!


goojmangoojman - 10/3/2006 9:04:38 AM
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Stop comparing the 335 to the G35. It is not comparing apples to apples. The 335 will be at least $10K more than a G35. Give Infiniti engineers $10k more to play with and they would dust the 335. The 335 sure as hell should be better than the G35 because it costs so much more and that is what the buyer is paying for. The only fair comparison is a $36,000 2007 G35 to a $36,000 2007 328i. The G35 spanks the 328i in every performance category and it's loaded with features whereas the 328i has just the basics. And the G35 will be far more reliable than the BMW. BMW should be embarrassed by their entry into this market segment. Now if you want to compare the 3 series which has the performace to beat the G35 and the options to match it then you must spend almost $50k for a 335i which takes you into Infiniti M45 range. Now make a comparison on performance, size, features etc. and it's a battle that BMW is again going to lose. Let's face it, in a head to head battle (apples to apples), Infiniti kills the comparable BMW product in the $32-40K market segment.


SSP350SSP350 - 10/3/2006 9:12:31 AM
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Well said goojman.


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 10/3/2006 9:44:46 AM
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Congratulations, that is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever read. BMW should be embarassed for building the car every other manufacturer in this class aspires to be? They should be embarassed for building the car that every other car is benchmarked against? They should be embarassed for building the car that, despite the higher cost, still wins every comparison test it's in?

Does the BMW cost more? You bet. Are you paying partly for the name? You bet. Does that make the BMW bad? No way. You could go buy a $30 Timex or a $5000 Rolex. They both tell time the same. Hell, the Timex will even have more features. But which one are most people going to want? The G35 is a fine car, and a solid alternative to a real BMW for people who either can't afford a real BMW or don't care about branding. But don't sit there on your pedestal and act like BMW should be ashamed just because you bought a blue light special pseudo-BMW. BMW is quite content in the position they're in with the 3-series -- it costs the most and it's the highest rated and best selling. It's hard to argue with that. Now go enjoy your Timex.


crackityjonescrackityjones - 10/3/2006 10:39:01 AM
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JRob, you are a poseur. Your analogy does not wash, rich boy. Both the Timex and the Rolex tell the same time with the same accuracy. Cars do not do one dumb thing like that. Praising BMW for being expensive is bad praise that only a USC snob could think works. BMW needs to EARN that price tag with performance, which it fails to do. Goojman shamed you with logic. I will never buy a BMW as long as idiots like you celebrate its ridiculously high price tag like it's a product feature. Now go ask Daddy for another grand for your car payment. You sure as hell didn't earn the money yourself the way you throw it away.


pchera01pchera01 - 10/3/2006 9:57:00 AM
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yep, well said


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 10/3/2006 10:57:43 AM
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Crackityjones, the fact that you used the word "poseur" shows me you're probably about 19 years old and in school still, so you probably should just keep your mouth shut and let the grown ups talk. For what it's worth I earned both of my BMWs, and I went to USC on military and academic scholarships. No one helped me. Now that I'm older I make a good living doing what I enjoy, I value my money and I enjoy rewarding myself for my efforts. And if you don't see the difference between a BMW and an Infiniti I am 100% ok with that, not everyone should have a BMW. That's why less expensive cars exist, and the Infinity is perfect for you (when you graduate and can save up enough for one).


crackityjonescrackityjones - 10/3/2006 11:22:47 AM
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Let me put down this can of beans and type into my wooden computer keyboard. Need to file down that return key.

If you can give money away like it's growing on trees, more power to you, private-school dude. However, championing its high price on an auto site is a show-off maneuver. What the unfortunately-named Goojman said was true--pound for pound BMW doesn't add up. You have to mismatch prices and classes for it to win comparo tests. But I guess you have drunk the kool-aid and don't believe objective comparison of BMW and other brands.

Anyway, your calling him stupid for making one of the most well-reasoned arguments about BMW on this site is, well, stupid. So there.

BTW... the word poseur was spot-on for you.

poser (n) a person who acts in an affected manner in order to impress others

Peace.


HyundaiHyundai - 10/3/2006 11:30:01 AM
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JRob, I would be willing to be that crackityjones probably has 20 years on you. Just my assumption from the overall maturity of his posts and broad and often wise outlook on various issues.

All that aside, 2007 brings in a revised IS 350. Remember when all the critics said that underneath the potential robbing VDIM and stability control lay a BMW beating sport sedan? Well, 2007's IS 350 has a VDIM defeat switch, so I wouldn't count the car out. All the magazine critics and regular joe enthusiasts said that the only major weakness was that the car didn't allow you to take it to its limits; now it will!

However, the way I look at things is this: The IS is fast, more than tight (dynamically) for the normal driver, sexy, more luxurious than any other in the class, and middle-upper-end of the pack in terms of price. This is not an all-out, Porsche beating car, and, it is not intended to be. The IS 350 is an amazing driving car with loads of luxury (this is the luxury class you know, guys?) and style. To me, this is the full package. The BMW is missing the whole luxury part. Some may like that, but I don't! Not at this price!


RupertRupert - 10/3/2006 5:20:14 PM
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oi crackity!
less of the private school bashing!
the state schools in the uk are rubbish, private is the only choice if you want a half-decent education.


vcowmanvcowman - 10/3/2006 11:55:19 AM
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then buy a benz if you want luxury, bmw has obviously been doing something right if it makes the finest sports sedans in the world and invented the category.


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 10/3/2006 12:26:17 PM
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crackity, nice, but I buy BMW's because they impress ME, not other people. And I haven't "drank the kool-aid", if there was a car that made me feel the way a BMW did for less money that offered everything the BMW did in terms of drive, style, performance, and prestige, then sure, I'd consider it. Thus far that hasn't happened. BMW (and Mercedes, and lexus, and Audi, etc.) all have cars in this segment that cost more than the Infiniti, and none of them outperform the Infiniti or BMW, so do they suck too? We never seem to hear about them, it's always "xxx vs. BMW". Everyone loves to attack BMW to make their own opinions seem more valid. You know what, it's flattering really, people needing to justify to the world why they're right and everyone else is wrong about the #1 selling, #1 rated car in the class. I don't "give away my money", I "get what I pay for". There's a difference. People who can afford to choose, choose.


crackityjonescrackityjones - 10/3/2006 2:23:48 PM
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Rob, no one attacked your ride. (OK, maybe I did. But besides me.) Gooj just said, the 335i is in a higher price class than a G35. They should not be compared. You BMW drivers play a shell game where higher-priced BMWs go up against lesser priced competitors--then to justify it, you say "money is no object." Please. If you'd buy a 230hp 328i at the same price as a 300hp G35, that's the issue. Lots of people would. Lots of people wouldn't. But that was the issue. Not whether BMW was getting attacked. You've been in the military. I think you can tell what a real attack is.


RupertRupert - 10/3/2006 5:21:38 PM
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really? based on the american's friendly fire record, i'm not so sure crackity.


BM3WBM3W - 10/3/2006 2:29:37 PM
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The BMW 328i would defiantly be up for the challenge here. The differences between this car and the 335i is night and day. The BMW 3.0 liter twin turbo 335i is producing 350 hp at the crank. That is a staggering number. The cost for the 335i is about 41K. That's pretty cheap when you consider what your getting.


crackityjonescrackityjones - 10/3/2006 2:36:12 PM
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You go find me a 41K 335i. I'll wait.


RupertRupert - 10/3/2006 5:22:31 PM
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350? i thought it was 300.


BM3WBM3W - 10/3/2006 3:11:50 PM
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crackityjones....

The 335i is $40,600. Please visit the web page for BMW North America to confirm price.


crackityjonescrackityjones - 10/3/2006 4:27:52 PM
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You go find a dealer who will sell you a stripped 335i for $40,600. We'll be here when you get back. M-kay?


goojmangoojman - 10/3/2006 3:31:37 PM
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I can't believe how many of you have totally missed the point. Crackity gets it. BMW's are great cars. I never said they weren't. Now focus USC, you got lost here last time and started making arguments that showed your brain went off the rails. It is unfair to compare a $46,000 335i to a $36,000 G35. The 335i is better and it damn well should be for costing $10,000 more. But that is an absurd comparison because the 335i does not compete in the same market segment as the G35. The 328i does and it gets smoked by the G35 in every performance category and it is loaded with options for $36,000 whereas the 328i only has the basics. It's not even close. SO USC, please dont; go on about how BMW's are great cars (duh)and we are jealous becasue we can't afford one which is immature and TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to my point. The G35 smokes what BMW has to offer in this market segment. Now, go to the BMW site and price a 335i with automatic transmission, leather seats, advanced stereo, etc. and add all of the bells and whistles that the G35 comes with and your price of the 335i easily tops $47,000. My point is proven again.


BMW530iBMW530i - 10/3/2006 4:01:30 PM
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Actually, JRob's post make sense. Compared to some of the BULLSHIT others (usually BMW haters) post here. Well done, Rob.


crackityjonescrackityjones - 10/3/2006 4:28:41 PM
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It's just that mentality that makes BMW lost of money. Don't bother me with the truth. Just gimme the dream.


GrimREAPERGrimREAPER - 10/4/2006 11:52:19 PM
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People in glass houses... have you re-read some of your posts lately?


goojmangoojman - 10/3/2006 4:49:30 PM
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More posts yet no one has refuted my main point. In the $30,000-$40,000 sports sedan segment, Infiniti crushes the competition offered by BMW. The jury has reached a verdict your honor and we find Infiniti guilty as charged. I would be interested to see how the 335i fares against a similarly priced and equipped Infinit M35/45 in the $40,000-$50000 sports sedan segment. The M is a larger, more luxurious and better appointed car for the money which is obvious but I am curious about the performance numbers. Now that's a test that Car and Driver should do.


adoptgreyhoundsadoptgreyhounds - 10/3/2006 5:37:36 PM
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M45 C&D Nov. 2006 5.9 to 60 335i 4.9 to 60

335i 8.7g

M45 .85g




goudokgoudok - 10/3/2006 6:02:32 PM
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i totally agree with JRobUSC, first of all same features 335 sedan is 42K, nobody knows how much the new g35 is going to cost. They estimate it at 36K thats 6K difference. Around 3 goes to the brand that you are buying. BMW will always be higher than any japanese car. There is a reason why japanese cars are called RICE. They are rice mobiles. Don't get me wrong G35 is an excellent car, but it doesnt close to the 335. And the other 3 grand goes to the resale value. BMWs will always be BMWs. Just like Benzes their resale value is one of the best. And when you are paying 36 for a car 42 isnt that far off. So if you are saving up your last pennies to get a 36K dollar car than you shouldnt even be buying a G35. You should look into a maxima. or an accord.
Can't wait to hear some bashing
Gotta love the japs lovers


crackityjonescrackityjones - 10/3/2006 11:43:14 PM
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Rice is a racist term. Stop using it.


goojmangoojman - 10/3/2006 7:32:44 PM
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Are you smoking crack? A 335i for $42,000 has vinyl seats, manual transmission, crap stereo, non-xenon headlights, etc. It's stripped with a capital S. Do your homework. A comparably equipped 335i is at least $47,000. I spoke with my local dealer and a 2007 G35 with auto and premium package will sticker for $36,800, up from $35,500 or so for 2006. Go to the BMW website and build a 335i with all of the the standard and premium package features of the G35 and you will be at over $47,000. Yet again, nobody has refuted my earlier point. In the $30,000-$40,000 sports sedan market segment, Infinit crushes BMW in performance, reliabilty and features/accessories.
Don't compare the 335i to the G35. It's $10 grand more expensive and it sure as hell better be a superior car to the G35. Give Infiniti engineers $10k more to work with on the G35 and they would have a 335i killer on their hands. But for now, they merely have a 328i killer on their hands which is their direct competition in their market segment. The 335i is not comparing apples to apples. And anyone who tries to compare them is being deceptive. If I order a $50 California Cabernet at a restaurant, I certainly wouldn't compare it to a $80 Rothschild Bordeaux. It's not an apt comparison because the Rothschild is in another class. And it should be. That is why they charge a premium for it. However, a fair comparison would be between $50 California Cabernet and $50 Rothschild Bordeaux. Then we can judge which producer has the superior product in that segment. And clearly, Infiniti has the superior product to BMW in the 30-40k segment. It's not even close. Stack the 335i up against similarly equipped sorts sedans in the $45,000-$50,000 segment and then you can have an honest debate instead of comparing apples to oranges.


RupertRupert - 10/4/2006 12:54:43 PM
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funny, a 3 coupe in the uk for 42000 dollars is a 320i with cloth seats and a tape player.
those prices don't include taxes though, so if i take out the tax you can probably get like a 325. still with cloth though.


goudokgoudok - 10/3/2006 7:39:38 PM
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if you need auto tranny.. then BMW was never made for you lol but thanks for coming and 335 doesnt come with vinyl and all of them come with xenon.. but nice try there ..


goudokgoudok - 10/3/2006 7:40:26 PM
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and...btw im getting my 335 coupe in alpine white with navi with everything and i paid less than 42... so.. do your hwk first there bud


goudokgoudok - 10/3/2006 7:42:08 PM
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sorry i keep adding .. but THE ONLY WAY infiniti can take some customers away from bmw is exactly what you said make the price a little lower.. if it were the same price do YOU honestly think anyone would get G35


adoptgreyhoundsadoptgreyhounds - 10/3/2006 8:40:37 PM
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goojman- I believe my last post refuted your point.

And all 335i's come with xenons, logic 7 audio standard. And clearly in the 30K-40K segment If you take the total package the BMW 328i or the IS350 is still the better car.

If you are going to look at power then Apple to Apple the G35 has to be compared to the 335i. the only reason Infiniti can cuts it's cost is because the G35 is sold in other markets as Nissans In Japan it's the Cedric. I'd put my 06 330i up against the New G35, the G35 is faster in a staightline and not by much. Any BMW is going to carry at least 10-15 mph more in and through a corner and that whats sports sedans are about. If all you want is to drag race then save another 10K and get a 350Z.

Reliability- I drive all these cars for a living and the Infiniti's are rattle boxs after 25k, the new IS to soon to tell but the IS300 solid even with 100k on the clock, same with BMW, and Audi.

Infiniti also has the most TSBs and recalls.

BMW/MB most warrenty claims.

Lexus normal scheduled maintence.




adoptgreyhoundsadoptgreyhounds - 10/3/2006 9:06:30 PM
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Oh and most 335i's sedans (the new G35coupe won't be out untill 08 Apple to Apple) that are sold will MSRP for about $44095

Metallic paint, premium pack(leather, assist,bluetooth,lumbar support, garage door opener, and auto dimming mirrors) automatic, and heated seats.
The sport pack adds$1600 Still not $47000.

The G35 may start around 36K but we don't all the standard equip or options yet. I'll guess that most sold will be 40k+ since the current ones go for 37-38K MSRP when options are added.

Why does everyone forget about BMW adding 4yr/50k Included service. OIl, filters, wipers, belts complete brakes and much more that adds to the cost and value. Most BMW dealers offer pick up and deliver for service appointments + a BMW loaner.


goojmangoojman - 10/3/2006 9:26:01 PM
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Let me reiterate, yet again,in the $30-$40k segment, the G35 crushes the 328i. Not even close. 2006 G35 with (leather seats,bluetooth, bose 6 disc changer, xenon lights, metallic paint, keyless start, etc. is MSRP $35,800. Similarly equipped 328i is more money for less performance, reliability, etc. You can argue about a 335i being $45k or $47k but yet again you miss the point. The G35 kills the BMW entry in their market segment. The BMW better be superior to the G35 for $10k more.


DarkOneForceDarkOneForce - 10/4/2006 8:09:12 AM
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Reasons why BMWs are more expensive:

- the G35 used 40% parts from other Nissans (it's even badged a Nissan in some countries);

- the yen vs. the euro; the yen is artificially kept low by the japanese central bank so as to incourage exports, while the euro if lest free and is strong;

- brand image/prestige/reputation/heritage, BMW can
command higher prices than others;

- supply and demand; BMW under-suplyes the USA market with 3 series to keep up demand/high prices;

- 335i really is that good; in fact it's a bargain, considering it several tests it bested the M3, S4, C55
AMG, CLK63 AMG, and even the CLS 55 AMG.
All of these are (considerably) more expensive cars.
Both the G35 and M45 will be an easy prey.


adoptgreyhoundsadoptgreyhounds - 10/3/2006 10:26:00 PM
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No I did not miss the point. I''ll tell you what, I''ll take a 328i and you can take a 07G35 we'll go race around a track or city streets and the BMW will win. Here's why- chassis balance and grip to power. The G35 has more weight over the front end and the tail comes loose way to abrupt (less balance, power can not go down smoothly), the steering is too slow, the manual rubbery and the seating position is like a SUV like its built by people don't know how to drive. I've driven both cars new and old the BMW wins everytime. If 35k is all you have or you just really like the car better then buy the G35 it's a good car, if you want the best buy a BMW any BMW.

Really I'm so tired of magazines and bloggers (or what every we call ourselfs) talking about price. When your looking at vehicles like these money really should not be a deciding factor. BMW, Lexus, Audi, and MB offers lower power models because not everyone wants big numbers. Some people just want a nice car that handles well. Image is part of it but how do you think the Europeans built this image, the product is good. Like all luxury goods they do it better Example Who's the worlds largest luxury goods maker???

Answer: LVMH Fashion group (Louis Vuitton, Dior, etc...lvmh.com) their largest client base Asians. And I can tell you LV is the best, the quality is 2nd to no one. Same with Euro auto makers, over all know one does it better. Lexus is almost there.


JDdrinkerJDdrinker - 10/3/2006 11:43:24 PM
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NICE torque numbers on the nissan and toyotas.


crackityjonescrackityjones - 10/3/2006 11:44:11 PM
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You really are lost, man. Louis Vuitton? That's your example of quality and value? Excuse me while I puke.


sewingmachinesewingmachine - 10/4/2006 12:15:22 AM
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-if you need auto tranny.. then BMW was never made for
-you lol.

do u even know what percentage of bmws are manual, its small. but ur buying a white one so i just cant compete with u.


goojmangoojman - 10/4/2006 9:30:01 AM
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Greyhound, the only people who would choose a 328i over a G35 are poseurs such as your self who seek to derive some status from their car. Now, people who like to really drive will take the Infiniti every time. I test drove the 328i just last week and it's engine is a dog in the low end and it's much lauded handling characteristics were unimpressive. You need a sports package to get the decent tires on the 328i. Yet Again, Infiniti kills BMW in the $30-40k sports sedan market segment and no one has refuted that point. Infiniti performance, features/accessories, reliability are superior to the 328i. I'm sure the 335i is a great car but don't compare it to a car $10k less. It's an inaccurate and unfair comparison.


adoptgreyhoundsadoptgreyhounds - 10/4/2006 12:04:53 PM
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Goojman-

Actually I own a 06 330ia, 05 330i, 06 Saab 2.0T, And my assistants 05 330ia.

Previous- 02 325i, 06 530ia, 01 540i.

I'm not bragging about what I drive, I just know cars and if you like I can resite the brand history of BMW, Audi, Lexus, MB, Infiniti and Honda/Acura. As I said before driving cars is what I do for a living, my company piles on 50k+ miles a month on every major luxury brand excluding exotics. a 5min to hour test drive can't compare. This reliabilty thing Infiniti has more recalls/TSB's then any other U.S. premium/luxury automaker. The infiniti national average CSI score is below 92% even BMW who's scores are awful are 94.3% CSI is the customer score much more inportant than jd power. I would bet Infiniti knows they can't compete at 10K more so they go after the little guys. My challange stills stands track or street I'll take a stock 328i and you can have a G35 The Bimmer will still win.


adoptgreyhoundsadoptgreyhounds - 10/4/2006 12:13:16 PM
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Crackity- have you seen how a LV bag is made, go to France and take the tour. It's not as involved as what employees get, but still impressive. I worked for LVMH for some time and the example is BMW 3series is the most copied car in the class as LV is the most copied Luxury goods world wide.

hope the toilet was clean.




crackityjonescrackityjones - 10/4/2006 12:26:49 PM
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It's not anymore. Anyway, LV is a "lux" good through and through. BMW is still a car. When you have to go the "lux" route to justify BMW you've lost. They still need to have a functional aspect and value for a consumer. Cars aren't handbags. The BMW emblem alone is not going to be worth $5-10k to enough people to keep BMW afloat in America. Just my opinion. No knock on the quality of LV, just the way they make the cash by the snob appeal factor.


goojmangoojman - 10/4/2006 2:47:08 PM
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Sorry greyhound, but I just drove the 328i last week. It's engine is a dog when compared to the G35. And you need to get the sports package on the 328i to get halfway decent tires on the thing. You are delusional if you think the 328i wins. Wins how? Just because you like it. My argument is based on the performance numbers and features/acessories on a $36,000 G35 and $36,000 328i. Your argument is not based on facts. These cars are not even close. So yet again, Infiniti crushes BMW's offering in the $30,000-$40,000 sports sedan segment. Next!


DarkOneForceDarkOneForce - 10/6/2006 9:18:27 AM
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Again I repost what I said before:

Reasons why BMWs are more expensive:

- the G35 used 40% parts from other Nissans (it's even badged a Nissan in some countries);

- the yen vs. the euro; the yen is artificially kept low by the japanese central bank so as to incourage exports, while the euro if lest free and is strong;

- brand image/prestige/reputation/heritage, BMW can
command higher prices than others;

- supply and demand; BMW under-suplyes the USA market with 3 series to keep up demand/high prices;

- 335i really is that good; in fact it's a bargain, considering it several tests it bested the M3, S4, C55
AMG, CLK63 AMG, and even the CLS 55 AMG.
All of these are (considerably) more expensive cars.
Both the G35 and M45 will be an easy prey.

Oh, and Avanti, what about those overpaid japanese workers, and those poor americans working for Nissan (moving HQ to cut costs, fired or forced to move) ?!

What about those rascals at the central japaese bank witch keep on maipulating the yen, to keep its value artificialy down ?!



The_DudeThe_Dude - 10/11/2006 9:31:23 AM
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How in the world can a 300 hp 3 series run 0-60 in 4.8 secs and a 306 hp G only manage 5.2 secs? Something is amiss.


The_DudeThe_Dude - 10/11/2006 9:40:01 AM
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The 3 series is smaller, lower to the ground & down-right ugly. The later is subjective. The handling edge is attributed to the first two.


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