Too Little, Too Late? Honda Finally Enters The EV Market With The 80 Mile Per Charge Clarity

Worth testing the market with this range. For commuting 80 miles would seem to have plenty of margin for most.

It's actually shameful that Honda does not have a Bolt or a Leaf and moreover that their hybrids are crap compared to Toyota.

An 80 mile range actually would translate to 50-60 miles in the real world. That kind of range is laughable these days.

Agent 009 - Currently - EVs are selling based on a $7500 tax credit in the USA - offered by through the EPA. Our current President has announced that he is going to GUT the EPA - and I would suspect that this tax incentive will not survive the rest of THIS year.. Without this incentive - EVs will likely sell like Boat ANCHORS to car buyers and if they ALSO eliminate the Gas mileage requirements - then gasoline powered cars might also get a financial benefit from that too.

While some states like California are likely to chip in some help - I doubt they will match $7500 - although emission laws in California are likely NOT to change. And it is THAT - that will require the manufacturers to continue with the current EPA standards for ALL cars - since they will still have to meet them in California by State Law.

The $7,500 credit is only for the first 200k cars, it was going away with or without this administration for any company serious about EVs.

In 5 years, the cost of a 200mile EV will be exactly the same as an equivalent ICE car, no incentives (with better performance and far lower maintenance) at that point all manufacturers will shift their focus to electric.

Way too little and too late, choosing this over a Bolt would not be a smart decision.

Sorry - I do not believe your statement that EVs will be the same price (Cost) as ICE cars in FIVE years. They are not remotely close today - because virtually all EVs are sold at a loss - Tesla has never made a profit for example. I don't believe that ALL manufacturers will switch either.

Until there is an EV that can be re-charges within a 10-15 minute period and can drive for 300-400 miles between charges - there will be a place for ICE and Hybrid powered vehicles. I still regularly drive between my houses in NJ and FLorida - doing the trip straight through- which would take 3 days with an EV due to charging. THere are still many people who need more range than an EV allows - and the Trucking Industry could not survive on 300-400 trips either. It would take a really HUGE breakthrough in battery technology for EV's to replace all cars in 5 years - and even then - we would NOT have the Electric Generation Capacity to absorb all of them either. Neither is planned on the books which would be required today for it to happen in FIVE years. Try and get approval for a new Electric generation plant that quick!

YOU are at least 25 years too optimistic - and by then there will be other options to replace BOTH ICE and EVs - Fuel Cell cars among them.

$100 per KWH of battery capacity is the breakeven point where an EV drivetrain will cost as much as an ICE drivetrain. Tesla is between $125-150 today without the gigafactory going into full effect for car batteries. Also, Tesla has a 28% margin off each car, they would have had a $300 million profit in Q4 excluding all ZEV credits if they didn't invest $500 million in CAPEX for future cars.

200 miles per charge covers 99.9% of all trips, if you have a garage and charge at home it is also much more convenient than going to a gas station. I have 140 miles and a really crappy commute, and it is more than enough. At 300+ you are just wasting money on capacity you will never use unless you are doing commercial driving. For NJ to Florida each supercharger can fill 200 miles in 30min or so. I hope that you at least stop for food and restroom breaks ;) It will get down to 10-15 min within 5 years.

Also, I don't think EVs will replace all cars in 5 years but I think all major manufacturers will start offering multiple EV options within 5. In 10 I think just about every car produced will be an EV. Fuel cell is just a shitty EV with extra hardware adding cost and increasing maintenance. Even if a hydrogen network is built in the US, there is almost no reason to pay extra for hydrogen over getting an EV that can fill up nearly as fast at half the cost for fuel.