Is Anyone ACTUALLY Worried About Manuals Going The Way Of The Dodo Bird?

Is Anyone ACTUALLY Worried About Manuals Going The Way Of The Dodo Bird?
In recent years it's been pretty common to see enthusiast publications write headlines related to manual transmissions and how woe is the world. But, is that really the case?

Hear me out.

At this point in time, the take rate for standard transmissions is at an all-time low. Last I heard the overall sales figure for sticks was along the lines of five to six percent of total vehicles sold.

With the mass roll out of dual-clutch gearboxes that were known for their super fast shifts, it seemed like the heyday of rowing your own gears was, well, over. Turns out that may not actually be the DIY transmission's swan song.

That's because, according a BMW executive, torque converter automatics are going to make a comeback. With nine and 10-speed transmissions featuring the latest technology, they're better than ever. And, they shift just as fast. Considering how expensive DCTs are to service and that standard gearboxes can only withstand so much power, it seems pretty much inevitable at this point.

But given the dire state that five and six-speed standards are in, is ANYONE actually going to miss them?

It seems like manual transmission lovers are in a dwindling minority, clinging onto a last hope from yesteryear.


The passenger-car transmission war will ultimately be won by the conventional, torque-converter automatic, according to BMW's M division.

And M's vice-president of sales and marketing, Peter Quintus, has given both the conventional manual and the double-clutch transmission just a handful of years to live...

...Having already predicted the end of manual transmissions in the next six or seven years, Quintus confirmed that he believed we would all soon be making a return to the torque converter automatic...


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MDarringerMDarringer - 4/26/2017 12:17:54 AM
-2 Boost
When all is said and done, their days are numbered. Get over it.


TheSteveTheSteve - 4/26/2017 12:27:44 AM
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I've loved manual transmissions for all of my driving life. It's just in the last two years that I've warmed up to a good 8-speed automatic with paddle shifters. I'm eyeing a Porsche 911 Carrera 4... with PDK.

I respect and understand folks who still love and prefer a manual transmission, but when you see Ferrari, Lamborghini and McLaren offering only automatics, and when you realize that F-1 racers are all running automatics, then you can only conclude that the days of a stick are numbered. Sad, but true.

My suggestion for stick lovers is start exploring *good* automatics. That might help you find your peace with cars in the not-too-distant future. Otherwise, you might find yourself being an unhappy camper, with no way to feel good other than to buy a pre-owned car.


zliveszlives - 4/26/2017 2:04:16 PM
+3 Boost
I present a counter point, the 911R and thus the new GT3 with manual option back.


SanJoseDriverSanJoseDriver - 4/26/2017 12:33:05 AM
+1 Boost
Manuals are fun to drive (I always pick a manual if renting a car in Europe) but we are past the point where there are any performance or fuel efficiency benefits to using them.


zliveszlives - 4/26/2017 2:05:39 PM
+4 Boost
and why would fun to drive take a back seat to performance and efficiency.


pcar4evrpcar4evr - 4/26/2017 2:29:57 AM
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Yes, I will certainly miss having a great sports car with a great manual transmission. It's all about maximizing connection with driving.

Fast forward 25 years some Agent will ask: "Do you miss having a steering wheel and pedals in your car"? Will the answer be "no, because they are less efficient". Hopefully the afterlife has a good internet connection - I'd love to know your answers.


TomMTomM - 4/26/2017 6:35:50 AM
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I'm sorry to disagree. A paddle shifted transmission gives you the input to the transmission (I agree not all) - and it is already proven to be more efficient than the best race car drivers can shift. And if you believe they (THe race car drivers) don't have fun driving - think again. The fun of driving to me is connection to the road and handling - not turning the power on and off.

I am at an age where I can say that my cars will always have a steering wheel and pedals so that does not affect me. I still continue to believe that until cars are ALL directed by outside forces (Big brother) - that individual aut-driving cars will need to have both - and a driver who can take over when needed.

However - if you are waiting for someone to verify that the afterlife has a good internet connect - I am sorry you will be disappointed - it appears that only living people actually log in.




zliveszlives - 4/26/2017 2:01:23 PM
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just like watches... they maybe relegated to the few, but i am sure they will not be replaced completely for those that wish otherwise.


SanJoseDriverSanJoseDriver - 4/26/2017 2:28:14 PM
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When you are 90 years old and still want some independence and the ability to get from point A to point B, I can assure you that you will be stepping into a car with no wheel. Heck, 10-15 years from now you can also count on taxis being transitioned mostly to vehicles with no wheel. It may happen sooner than you think.


carloslassitercarloslassiter - 4/26/2017 6:26:11 AM
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I really miss the hand crank on the front of my Model T.


PUGPROUDPUGPROUD - 4/26/2017 8:46:12 AM
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I give the youngins all their due and appreciate their love for good paddle shifters but like Charlton Heston said they will take away my manual from my cold dead hand. Just the way it is. Nothing links a man to a machine more than a manual. It may not be near as fast but it is enjoyable at every speed. While I could buy a new car I just bought a ten year old low mileage vehicle with a manual for my daily driver.


supermotosupermoto - 4/26/2017 11:10:27 AM
+1 Boost
PDK and left foot braking are a very fast and fun combo.


t_bonet_bone - 4/27/2017 9:26:02 PM
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Best true driver's comment here.


HauergHauerg - 4/26/2017 12:31:27 PM
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Not worried at all.

2 months ago, I would have been.
Now having massive problems with my back even fully self driving cars don't look so bad any more. :(


pcar4evrpcar4evr - 4/26/2017 4:13:27 PM
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Sorry to hear that - hope you feel better quickly!


quizzquizz - 4/26/2017 2:09:07 PM
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Manuals will no longer be for the common man, just like horses are no longer for the common man.



HolydudeHolydude - 4/26/2017 3:47:51 PM
-2 Boost
WTF is a manual? (enough said)


qwertyflaqwertyfla - 4/26/2017 7:22:03 PM
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I don't give a fat frogs ass what is better, faster or more efficient. I like shifting my own damn gears even in stop and go 401 Toronto traffic. It connects your whole body to the car and makes me a gooder driver. Nothing else can simulate that feeling of oneness with your sled. I also think stick is way safer in snow and ice conditions as well and don't get me started on ABS brakes....


templar19dtemplar19d - 4/27/2017 1:16:05 PM
+2 Boost
Manual is about connection and FUN. I'll keep my R8V10 and TTRS for life. Next car is focus RS.


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