New clean diesel hits stations today

Starting tomorrow on Sunday, October 15, operators of more than eight million diesel-powered trucks and buses plying America's streets and highways will be able to fill up with a new, ultra-low sulfur fuel that is 97 percent cleaner than the old formulation it replaces. The new fuel, combined with innovative engine technology, will reduce diesel tailpipe pollution dramatically with far-reaching clean air benefits, say both industry and environmental organizations.
,br> Cleaner diesel fuel will immediately cut soot emissions from any diesel vehicle by 10 percent. But when combined with a new generation of engines hitting the road in January, it will enable emission reductions of up to 95 percent, according to the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) and the Diesel Technology Forum (DTF). The new fuel pumps will be clearly marked.
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chewy - 10/15/2006 3:41:24 AM

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Finally.

ATrain - 10/15/2006 7:59:46 AM

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This will go a long way to help people look at diesel in a different light. Combine fuel improvements with the performance of engines such as Audi's TDI technology and we may be close to seeing an explosion of diesels in the US.

I for one am now seriously looking to add another car to the stable and it will be diesel... The A8 has my attention following the Jeremy Clarskson video.

I95SPEEDINGTICKETS - 10/15/2006 12:01:49 PM

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HEY!!!!!!
CUT THE B***S***
You are not the only one with Car Problems
You are irritating people by Re-posting the same Comment on other Topics

vdiv - 10/15/2006 9:58:29 AM

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About freaking time, indeed. Can't wait for the new Honda diesels. Hybrid Frankenstein monsters, move aside! Here comes your daddy ;)

S4cabriofox - 10/15/2006 1:22:03 PM

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That's also because the only diesels in the US right now are IN $50,000 CARS.

Geez, use your head.

The GS450h is also $56,000, but that's because the engine is IN A $50,000 CAR.
There are also CHEAPER hybrids, as there will be diesel VWs which are CHEAPER.

urbansouljah - 10/15/2006 2:29:03 PM

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You are comparing a luxury diesel car to an economy hybrid? That makes no sense. Wait until lesser car companies use clean diesel technology first.

chewy - 10/15/2006 4:54:22 PM

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The VW with its next genration TDIs with great power and amazing fuel economy will start at around 20,000, nicely equipped.

chewy - 10/15/2006 9:50:39 PM

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No, the new TDI (4 cylinder) will be clean enough to be sold in all states without the exhaust injection (Blutec style tecnology) It will be awesome, at least 140 horsepower and 240 foot pounds of torque, it will be quicker than the 2.5 liter gasoline engine while still getting amazing fuel economy.

urbansouljah - 10/15/2006 6:32:17 PM

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hybrids carry much higher premiums over their gas only models then diesels do over their gas models. There were a few reports around that hybrid owner won't make their money back for many many years while diesel owners get their money back shortly after purchasing. diesel bybrids make more sense then gasoline h.ybrids

kart1 - 10/15/2006 8:20:22 PM

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I think that those batteries come with 8 year warranty. So its not going to cause all the glaciers in Greenland to melt or make you a X-woman ;).

kart1 - 10/15/2006 8:20:57 PM

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Will - that ^^^^ wasn't directed towards you.

urbansouljah - 10/15/2006 10:16:39 PM

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Will the premium for bybrids is more than the premium for diesels in most cases. Hybrids don't even get anywhere near their estimated mileage in the real world unless you are granny-driving or only using the 90% or more in the city. Diesels get better mileage in everyday driving. I didn't say I liked diesel hybrids. I don't like hybrids at all really. I was just pointing out that a diesel hybrid (with Blue-tech and particulate filter) would be cleaner and way more fuel efficient than a gasoline hybrid. Another plus with the diesel is the added torque.

sewingmachine - 10/15/2006 10:23:01 PM

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the battery excuse is a lame excuse. go to ur landfill and see how much garbage in one day they collect. when u think about all the plastic bottles people buy or bags, its sic (they say it could take a 1000 years before the bottles break down). most will go to landfill expect the few who recycle.

chewy - 10/15/2006 11:12:33 PM

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A prime example of diesel efficiency.

http://www.autospies.com/news/Can-a-4-800-pound-SUV-get-27-MPG-9272

What now?

chewy - 10/15/2006 11:51:45 PM

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And you are comparing an entry luxury car to a luxury car in price, and it isn't 20,000 cheaper. A 16,000 Civic would beat both in fuel economy. The reason is that there is more Nox is because the EPA hasn't allowed the Blutec part of the new diesel. It took the EPA years just to get clean diesel fuel. The ML/R class is much heavier and bigger (in gasoline version 4,800 pounds vs. 4,000 in gasoline powered version, the ML320 is bigger all around and the R class in 17 inches longer)

chewy - 10/16/2006 12:22:20 AM

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The EPA gasoline ratings for the ML 350 and the R 350 are almost identical, therefore I think that the 203 inch R 320 CDI will get about the same rating , 21/27. This is how one must drive their hybrid to get the EPA (overinflated) fuel economy.

BTW, this is how one must drive a Hybrid to achieve EPA fuel economy.

http://www.autospies.com/news/Video-Hybrids-Are-a-Danger-to-our-Society-aka-Lexus-RX-400H-Test-Drive-9271

chewy - 10/16/2006 1:09:40 AM

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This is how one must drive a hybrid in the real world to get EPA milage, it's scary stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HzZ1v7j8G0

urbansouljah - 10/16/2006 1:09:47 AM

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There won't be any environmental concerns when BlueTec is used with the special particulate filters. I'm also not sure why everyone is comparing a luxury car to a cheap economy car in the first place. The tests that were done between hybrids and diesels were done with simular models and the diesels won in overall mileage. The hybrid mileage was considerably less in both highway and city driving. It was also proven that diesel owners made their money back much sooner than hybrid owners if both cars had equal premiums. The diesels in most tests cost less then the gasoline hybrid models which resulted in even faster ROI.

urbansouljah - 10/16/2006 1:16:52 AM

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Typical hybrid premiums are $3000 over their normal gasoline models while diesel is usually less than or a little over $1,000 more than the gasoline model. It would take 13-16 years in most hybrids to make that money back while it would take a diesel owner only 4 years to make their money back.

chewy - 10/16/2006 3:14:56 AM

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You have facts for all that? No, that is what I thought. Here is something about hybrid real world fuel economy, it is much much lower than EPA ratings.

http://auto.consumerguide.com/Articles/index.cfm/act/featuredarticles/article/FA_CG_FUEL_CHAMPS.html

Matthew1 - 10/16/2006 3:21:26 AM

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You make some good points there huu76.

For me though, I am prejudiced against any car that is propelled by a geeky whisper quiet electric motor and a trunk-full of batteries. (Hyperbole, but you get the idea)

You also neglect the fact that modern turbo-diesel motors are quicker than most Hybrids in the real world. (0-60 aside, but since when did drag-racing account for 'real-world' driving?) On open-road jaunts, climbing hills or overtaking a line of trucks, the immediate torque of the diesel is invaluable.

Diesel-Electric hybrids suddenly make more sense.

I for one are willing to sacrifice a few mpg for the fact that my car isn't dishwasher-propelled at low speeds.....

Please note my exaggeration, for those who may get upset by my non-diplomatic remarks against Hybrids. Don't cry. :)

urbansouljah - 10/16/2006 7:30:45 AM

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Funny since I the Prius lost to the Jetta in every hybrid vs diesel comparison between the two that I've ever seen. The diesel is only $1200 over the gasoline model while the hybrid is over $4000 more than it's gasoline model. Diesel premiums on average are much much lower than that of their hybrid competition. That's a proven fact. Just go and check prices. The diesel still get better mileage on top of costing less.

urbansouljah - 10/16/2006 7:32:43 AM

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and the new filters will make diesel less polutant than even gasoline hybrids.

urbansouljah - 10/16/2006 7:36:39 AM

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and 0 emmisions in the city? Not possible since the gas motor does work while driving in the city. Just not as much.

urbansouljah - 10/16/2006 8:19:43 AM

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There is one drawback major to both a hybrid and a diesel: weight.

BMW530i - 10/16/2006 9:44:12 AM

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Not so much diesels anymore. Modern light-weight materials are now used in the construction of diesel engines (especially Audi and MB). They're lighter, but just as durable as older cast-iron-block diesel designs.

Dee81 - 10/16/2006 11:15:29 AM

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Is it a UPS truck? Is it a horde of crickets? No its the S class cdi!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgXvqoeqnyQ

The car is idleing btw, just imagine the sound of that engine when it drives! Makes a Kia sound like a LS460!

IamEvilHomer - 10/16/2006 11:16:02 AM

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I gought my dad a TDI jetta for about 20k and he gets 50 mpg

chewy - 10/16/2006 1:47:20 PM

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Just wait until we get up to date diesels here, you all will be impressed.

vdiv - 10/16/2006 3:20:12 PM

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toyota die-hard hybrid advocates will not be impressed unless toyota brings it to the table. looks like it won't.

chewy - 10/16/2006 9:44:03 PM

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Even the best gasoline technology still can't match diesel fuel economy.

chewy - 10/16/2006 11:46:38 PM

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Uh, diesel makes less C02 than comparable gas engines (less of the "heat wave"} Here you go. The diesels do get better real world milage.

Here you go:

http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060605/FREE/60601044/1111

And even more:

http://auto.consumerguide.com/Articles/index.cfm/act/featuredarticles/article/FA_CG_FUEL_CHAMPS.html

Is that enough for you???