Toyota Moving to A Position of Panic Over NASCAR

Toyota should realize how demanding NASCAR or any form of racing is. There were such high hopes for their F1 team and have had marginal success but most would say disappointing. These forms of racing aren't like the drifting competitions they seem to dominate. But knowing Toyota, they will figure it out and dominate in a few more years.

Toyota's F1 problem is the driver lineup 20million for Ralphie.

Nothing will stop Toyota. Toyota is perfection...

I wouldn't hold my breath there.

Toyota and motorsports don't mix to provide sucess. They are the laughing stock of F1.

So sad, in F1 they easily have the most resources of any team and continually rank at the bottom. I guess it is pretty darn hard to actually have to compete with reverse engineering something.

They did have some fantastic perfomances in WRC (before they cheated).

The battles between their Celica GT4 and Lancia Delta Integrale were legendary.

hahahahaha. Toyota should give up. All they're really good at is producing "reliable" (taking existing technology from other manufacturers, improving upon it, and never actually developing anything) cars.

Toyota and any kind of racing is a joke.

The top 4 trucks in the NASCAR Craftsman truck series are Toyotas. I think Toyota knows how to compete just fine, thank you very much.

That is correct. It is nice to see they actually can compete and be successful i at least one form of racing.

and plano VW/Audi don't even have a team in F1.
So don't talk crap about F1,Toyota is in 5th place.5th rank.
There drivers jarno trulli and Ralf Schumi is second to none.

They just need time,to improve get experience...etc
Once the series of wins start,then they will be unstopable.

TOYOTA FOR LIFE

JUGNU

500 million X 5 years and still not a contender!

Audi has done very well in races that they competed in.

JUGNU, you're an idiot!

Audi dominates in every race they enter, and all the other brands run away in fear!

Case in point DTM. The A4 has won there for the last few years, BMW left because they were losing so much.

The obvious example is LeMans, though.

Actually Toyota is in 6th place as of today. They have competed in every race in the season.

The only teams with a worse record did not race in all of the races. So I rest my case on facts not fiction or fantasy.

Audi is not in F1 currently, because it is currently not a relevant sport for the transfer of technology to the streets. When and if F1 ever becomes more realistic in that aspect expect to see Audi there.

S4cabriofox..

You need to stop getting you motorsport information from Auto-union propoganda, and start actually watching some - that way you'll actually know about DTM and Le Mans.

And just for reference... since we're on the topic of motorsport victories...

BMW in motorsport ---- Outright/Class wins in ‘World’ & ‘European’, Russian, Dutch, New Zealand, Italian, Australian, South-East Asian, Swedish, Belgian, Portugese, Finnish, Croation, Japanese, Asian-Pacific, British, South African, Swiss, Czech, Slovenian, South American, Austrian touring car championships. German Super Touring, French Super Touring, European Super production, German Touring Challenge, European and international Grp N, Daytona 500 GT3 class, US Road Racing & Professional Sportscar series’. Mille Miglia Storica, 24h of Le Mans, 24h of Spa, 24h of Nürburgring, 24h of Silverstone/Britcar, 12h of Sebring, The Paris-Dakar, DTM, ALMS, ALMS GT, ADAC Super Touring, ADAC GT, AMSCAR, 12 Hill-climb championships, European Rally Championships… and an M3 even a WRC for ProDrive…. BMW powered F1 cars have won numerous F1 races for Williams and Brabham, who they powered to F1 WDC victory. And all that’s just since the early-80’s. BMW have been winning all kinds of stuff since they won the 1940 Mille Miglia....

... no wins in NASCAR yet though.

PlanoA4, It took Ferrari more than 15 years since 1979 to perfect their car and get that winning formula. Do you think Toyota is bad? money only matters Around 20% of success in formula one its a question of time and experience cause F1 is complex.

But they will eventually get there.

A few things: Toyota don't have the biggest budget in F1, Mclaren Mercedes do, and they're 3rd. Current World Champion Fernando Alonso drives for renault who have the 5th or 6th biggest budget in F1. MONEY DOES NOT EQUAL SUCCESS.

Ralf Schumacher and Jarno Trulli are not great drivers. Ralf's better than Jarno, but neither have done anything special with their careers. If Toyota want to get to the top they need to change one or both of their drivers.

Toyota are 1 point behind BMW in the constructors championship. Toyota are currently SIXTH - not 5th. This is BMW's first year EVER running their own team - and for reference their budget is smaller than toyota's. The Brazilian GP will sort out which team gets 5th, and who gets 6th.

NASCAR isn't quite 1960's technology - it's just not a technological sport - it's more about timing, strategy and consistency than ultra-light weight 0.1µ tolerance engineering and $400,000,000 budgets. The reliability of the cars is astounding. I'd like to see some of the new german mid-engined 4wd cars average 196 mph for 2-3 hours on end, whilst getting rubbed, rammed and slammed!

If you think NASCAR is 1960's technology, then you need to educate yourself. While not nearly as advanced as other forms of racing it is nowhere near as backwards as you think.

009 re-read my post - I'm not bashing nascar dude!

and.. Toyota are supplying WilliamsF1 with ngines for their cars next year... Williams have bags of experience (and world titles) behind them, but they have no money (they are currentley selling memorablilia on eBay). If they outperform Toyota next year it will be a VERY bad sign for toyota.

matt,Toyota has the biggest budget, but in means nothing in F1. Its a very complicated sport where one very small detail can mean the difference between winning and losing, it takes time to get a winning formula and no team has ever done it in 6 years.

It does takes motorsports "know-how", something that Toyota cetainly doesn't have. But with their money, better results are expected by the 5th season of spending the most out of all teams.

Well I could be wrong, but according to business F1...

1st: MclarenMercedes - $400m
2nd: Toyota - $393m
3rd: Honda - $382m
4th: BMW Sauber - $378m
5th: Ferrari - $328m
6th: Renault - $300m
7th: Red Bull Racing- $201m
8th: WilliamsF1 - $134m
9th: Super Aguri - $95m
10th: Midland - $76m* prior to Spyker buy-out
11th: Scuderia Torro Rosso - $66m

matt, need I remind you that the new BMW is the same from previous year, they only bought SAUBER its not like its a brand new team. BMW uses their existing technology and experience from previous years coupled with SAUBER's. So your argument is flawed.

What about this years car is the same as the BMW.Williams FW27 or the Sauber C24? BMW were only an engine supplier last year, they did not have a team. They have outperformed their previous partner Williams, and have finished far better than the old Sauber team would have done.

They should fire Lee White,because he does not have faith in Toyota!!!Toyota has been doing well in the Craftsman Truck Series,so why not in the Nextel Cup..