Never Say Never: Ford CTO Sidesteps Interview Questions Of An All Electric F-150

Never Say Never: Ford CTO Sidesteps Interview Questions Of An All Electric F-150
Ford has left the door slightly ajar for an all-electric F-150 pickup, as claimed in an interview with Yahoo.

Quizzed about Ford’s upcoming hybrid F-150 set to arrive in 2020 and the possibility of an electric version, chief technology officer Raj Nair kept his cards close to his chest.

“I would never rule out anything like that,” he said, before adding that as it stands, a hybrid version makes more sense. Ford first revealed its plan for an F-150 hybrid at the start of the year and has promised that the vehicle will offer exceptional towing and payload capacity.

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MDarringerMDarringer - 5/19/2017 8:21:04 PM
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Electric would NOT be idea for a pickup. Pickups tall and tow things. That would increase draw off the batteries and deplete range rapidly. The loss of range of the unladen vehicle vs laden would be higher than in a conventional passenger car.


SanJoseDriverSanJoseDriver - 5/21/2017 9:15:42 PM
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Not a shock, but I disagree =) Electric motors have a massive amount of torque and can handle strenuous workloads. The range hit may not be as large as you would expect. On a F150-sized car, I think you can squeeze 2.5 miles per KWh on a dual or quad motor design.

Tesla implied they are going larger than 100 KWh for their truck. So picture options for 80 KWh for ~200 miles of range, 100 KWh for ~250 miles, and 120 KWh for ~300 miles. The big question is going to be cost, I could easily see the 120 KWh version hitting $90k.

Added benefits of an electrified F150:
- Lower cost-per mile for fuel and maintenance
- The front could be used as a protected storage space
- Better performance, higher torque
- Car could be made slightly smaller without losing capabilities or ground clearance

I think it will happen eventually, but probably not before batteries are below $100 per KWh.


MDarringerMDarringer - 5/21/2017 11:28:57 PM
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@SanJoseDriver You clearly have no clue how pickups are used and why would you?

Sure, making an F150 EV is feasible and for it to have a reasonable range and pulling power is doable, BUT the nanosecond a trailer is hitched up and or cargo carried, its range would collapse exponentially to the point of being comically bad.

Increasing the weight on or a vehicle or the weight that it pulls decreases range. With gas or diesel, MPG suffers, but you can fill the tank in scant minutes. If the truck were an EV, the range would also be reduced BUT it would be sidelined for hours recharging.

Don't point to Tesla's "supercharger" because Tesla is finding that owners who supercharge are destroying their battery packs.

As for the supposed "lower cost per mile" that's total BS--and you know it--because the initial cost of an EV is double or triple to a comparable ICE vehicle so the break even point of the EV a long way down the road and it's at the break even point that cost per mile can be assessed. Given how many owners have fried their batteries, once the warranty is gone, that's going to be a major cash drain.


SanJoseDriverSanJoseDriver - 5/23/2017 9:36:01 PM
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Absolutely range would be less, but collapse is a strong word. The Semi is expected to move up to 80,000 lbs including its own weight and still hit 1 mile per KWh. With towing something quite large, I think the truck will still be able to hit 1.5-2 miles per KWh. That should be plenty to haul large items locally. Long distance will be more tricky.

The superchargers work fine an indefinite amount of times, but after 200-300 charges they reduce the maximum charging speed by 10-20%, not too big of a deal, but it will be really annoying if you have to charge every 100-150 miles. One option is a battery trailer that can be rented. A 400 KWh PowerPack would weigh 7,000 lbs and give the truck 500-750 miles of range. BTW, this also might be Tesla's solution for helping the Semi go cross country.



MDarringerMDarringer - 5/23/2017 11:54:32 PM
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Collapse is the correct word.

People are frying their batteries via supercharging.


SanJoseDriverSanJoseDriver - 5/24/2017 4:03:50 AM
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That is fake news. Please provide a reliable link.

If that were the case, do you really think they would have brought back unlimited supercharging to the S and X this week?


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