Audi Moves Upmarket With New A8 - Does the S-Class Have Anything To Worry About?

Audi Moves Upmarket With New A8 - Does the S-Class Have Anything To Worry About?

The new Audi A8 presents the future of the luxury class. In its fourth generation, the brand’s flagship model again provides the benchmark for Vorsprung durch Technik – with a new design language, an innovative touchscreen operating concept and a systematically electrified drive. The Audi A8 is also the first production automobile in the world to have been developed for highly automated driving. From 2018, Audi will gradually be taking piloted driving functions such as parking pilot, garage pilot and traffic jam pilot into production.

Doyen of style: the exterior design
The Audi A8 is stylistically defining – it signals the dawning of a new design era for the entire brand. The front end with the wide, upright Singleframe grille and the fluid, muscular body symbolize sporty elegance, sophistication and progressive status. The new A8 delivers on the promise made by the Audi prologue design study. The luxury sedan possesses a powerful presence – whether in the 5.17 meter (17.0 ft) standard version or the A8 L, which has a 13 centimeter (5.1 in) longer wheelbase.

The Audi brand is renowned worldwide for sports appeal, lightweight construction and quattro permanent all-wheel drive – and the design of the new A8 conveys these values. The balanced proportions emphasize all four wheels in equal measure. Muscular shapes above the wheel arches give visual expression to the quattro drive. Viewed side-on, the upright front end combined with the gently inclined rear create visual tension. The flagship model proclaims its identity both day and night, drawing on both the striking HD Matrix LED headlights with Audi laser lighting, and the LED light strip combined with OLED technology rear lights. These produce unique light animations as the driver approaches and leaves the car.

Luxury lounge: the interior
Freedom is the defining design feature with a new luxury slant. This explains the A8’s resemblance to a lavish, spacious lounge. Compared to the predecessor model, it has grown substantially in length in both body versions. The range of equipment and materials is extensive, with every detail radiating superlative bespoke quality – from the perforation in the seat upholstery to the electrically opened and closed shutters on the air vents.

The classiest seat in the new Audi flagship model is in the rear right – the optional relaxation seat in the A8 L that comes with four different adjustment options and a footrest. In this seat, the passenger can warm and massage the soles of their feet on a unit with multiple settings incorporated into the back of the front-passenger seat. The new comfort head restraints complete the experience. The rear passengers can also control an array of functions such as ambient lighting, the new HD Matrix reading lights and seat massage, plus make private phone calls, via a separate operating unit. The rear seat remote, with its OLED display as large as a smartphone, is a removable unit housed in the center armrest.

Fingertip response: the controls
The luxury sedan’s interior deliberately adopts a reductive design; the interior architecture is clear and with a strictly horizontal orientation. Audi carries its high quality standards into the digital age with a radically new operating concept. It does away with the familiar rotary pushbutton and touchpad of the predecessor model. The instrument panel is kept largely clear of buttons and switches. At its center is a 10.1-inch touchscreen display which, when off, blends almost invisibly into the high-gloss black surround thanks to its black-panel look.

The user interface appears as soon as the car is opened. The driver controls the Infotainment system with fingertip control on the large display. They can use a second touchscreen display on the center tunnel console to access the air conditioning and comfort functions as well as make text inputs. While doing so, they can rest their wrist comfortably on the wide tiptronic selector lever, for extra ease of inputting a navigation destination, for example. When the driver activates a function in the upper or lower display, they hear and feel a click by way of confirmation. The glass-look operating buttons respond in the same way. The combination of acoustic and tactile feedback along with the use of common touch gestures such as swiping make the new MMI touch response especially safe, intuitive and quick to use.

The A8 can also engage in intelligent conversation. The driver can activate an array of functions in the automobile using a new, natural form of voice control. Information on destinations and media is either available on board or is delivered from the cloud at LTE speed. The extensive Audi connect range also includes traffic sign recognition and hazard information – innovative car-to-X services that draw on the swarm intelligence of the Audi fleet.

The extensively optimized navigation is another new feature: It is self-learning, based on the route just driven. This provides the driver with intelligent search suggestions. The map also incorporates highly detailed 3D models of major European cities for a more realistic representation.

The latest version of the Modular Infotainment Platform, the MIB 2+, serves as the control hub for all these functions. It integrates a cutting-edge K1 processor by the Audi venture partner NVIDIA. A second K1 chip generates the graphics on the Audi virtual cockpit, which as the digital instrument cluster offers a full HD resolution of 1,920 x 720 pixels.

And the Bang & Olufsen Advanced Sound System delivers a new spatial experience: for the first time the rear seats are included in its fascinating 3D sound with height information. The music unfolds exactly how it was recorded in the concert hall. It draws on an algorithm that Audi has developed jointly with the Fraunhofer Institute. It is matched by a new standard of telephony in the A8 thanks to Audi phone box with Voice over LTE – a standard the user will experience both in operation and in the sound and connection quality.

World premiere: the pilot-driving Audi A8
The new A8 is the first production automobile to have been developed specially for highly automated driving. The Audi AI traffic jam pilot takes charge of driving in slow-moving traffic at up to 60 km/h (37.3 mph) on freeways and highways where a physical barrier separates the two carriageways. The system is activated using the AI button on the center console.

The traffic jam pilot manages starting, accelerating, steering and braking. The driver no longer needs to monitor the car permanently. They can take their hands off the steering wheel permanently and, depending on the national laws, focus on a different activity that is supported by the car, such as watching the on-board TV. As soon as the system reaches its limits, it calls on the driver to take back control of the task of driving.

From a technical perspective the traffic jam pilot is revolutionary. During piloted driving, a central driver assistance controller (zFAS) now permanently computes an image of the surroundings by merging the sensor data. As well as the radar sensors, a front camera and the ultrasonic sensors, Audi is the first car manufacturer also to use a laser scanner. The introduction of the Audi AI traffic jam pilot means the statutory framework will need to be clarified in each individual market, along with the country-specific definition of the application and testing of the system. The brand’s high quality standards are equally applicable in the realm of highly automated driving. In addition, a range of approval procedures and their corresponding timescales will need to be observed worldwide. Audi will therefore be adopting a step-by-step approach to the introduction of the traffic jam pilot in production models.

The Audi AI remote parking pilot and the Audi AI remote garage pilot steer the A8 independently into and out of a parking space or garage, monitored by the driver. The driver need not be sitting in the car. They start the appropriate system from their smartphone using the new myAudi app. To monitor the parking maneuver, they hold the Audi AI button pressed to watch a live display from the car’s 360 degree cameras on their device. Once the maneuver has been completed, the system automatically engages the tiptronic P position and switches off engine and ignition.

New dimension: the suspension
With a whole package of innovations, the suspension revisits the very limits of what is physically possible. One such innovation is dynamic all-wheel steering, which combines direct, sporty steering with unshakable stability. The steering ratio for the front wheels varies as a function of speed; the rear wheels are turned in or against the direction of steering depending on the speed range. The car’s handling becomes even more dynamic and precise with the sport differential. This actively distributes the drive torque between the rear wheels, complementing the quattro permanent all-wheel drive that is now standard in the new A8.

The second new technology, Audi AI active suspension, is a fully active suspension system. Depending on the driver’s wishes and the driving situation, it is capable of raising or lowering each wheel separately with electric actuators. This flexibility imparts the driving characteristic with huge latitude – ranging from the smooth ride comfort of a classic luxury sedan to the dynamism of a sports car. In combination with pre sense 360°, the car is raised with lighting speed if there is an impending lateral collision, reducing the potential consequences of the accident for all occupants. This highly innovative suspension system obtains the energy it requires from a 48-volt electrical system. Audi now for the first time fits it as the primary electrical system in all model versions of the A8. In conjunction with the advanced air suspension for the A8, the innovative suspension concept delivers an utterly new driving experience.

Mild hybrid and e-tron: the drives
The new A8 starts out in the German market with two extensively reengineered V6 turbo engines: a 3.0 TDI and a 3.0 TFSI. The diesel develops 210 kW (286 hp), and the gasoline version 250 kW (340 hp). Two eight-cylinder versions – a 4.0 TDI with 320 kW (435 hp) and a 4.0 TFSI with 338 kW (460 hp) – will follow slightly later. The exclusive top engine version is the W12 with a displacement of 6.0 liters. (These vehicles are not yet on sale. They do not yet have type approval and are therefore not subject to Directive 1999/94/EC.)

All five engines operate in conjunction with a belt alternator starter (BAS), which is the nerve center of the 48-volt electrical system. This mild hybrid technology (MHEV, mild hybrid electric vehicle) enables the car to coast with the engine switched off, and to restart smoothly. It also has an extended start/stop function and an energy recovery output of up to 12 kW. The combined effect of these measures is to bring down the fuel consumption of the already efficient engines even further – by as much as 0.7 liters (0.2 US gal) per 100 kilometers (62.1 mi) in real driving conditions.

The A8 L e-tron quattro with its powerful plug-in hybrid drive will follow at a later date (This vehicle is not yet on sale. It does not yet have type approval and is therefore not subject to Directive 1999/94/EC.): Its 3.0 TFSI and the powerful electric motor achieve 330 kW (449 hp) of system power and 700 Nm (516.3 lb-ft) of system torque. The lithium-ion battery stores enough power for about 50 kilometers (31.1 mi) of electric driving. It can optionally be charged by Audi Wireless Charging. A pad in the garage floor transfers the power inductively to a receiver coil in the automobile with a power output of 3.6 kW.

The new Audi A8 and A8 L are being built at the Neckarsulm site and will appear on the German market in late fall 2017. The starting price for the A8 is EUR 90,600, with the A8 L starting at EUR 94,100.



MDarringerMDarringer - 7/11/2017 8:36:33 AM
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Are you sure that's not a Lincoln Continental with a 10 year old Audi face?

As we all knew it would be, this is a massive disappointment.

German Oldsmobile for geriatrics.


Car4life1Car4life1 - 7/11/2017 4:16:38 PM
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I have to agree its somewhat disappointing.

I guess it's kind of not Audi's fault though. In an age where the future direction of the auto industry is uncertain, the general public and most enthusiast yearn for the days when these 'debuts/world premieres' shocked the world and inspired generations...or at the very least something that stirs emotion or curiosity

As of late we've been getting stale evolutions rather than revolutions, but i digress.

Mercedes it looks like your flagship is in the clear for at least another 7 years, on top of the half of a century its already enjoyed...



dumpstydumpsty - 7/12/2017 3:51:04 PM
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And this is why M-B has comfortably stayed ahead of Audi & remains above Audi in the luxury category.


carloslassitercarloslassiter - 7/11/2017 9:04:20 AM
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"The Audi A8 is stylistically defining – it signals the dawning of a new design era for the entire brand."

What? This is exact same design is already on every vehicle they offer, from the current A3 on up.

I was shopping Audis last week (ended up with another BMW) and you literally cannot tell which model is which as you walk around the lot.


GermanNutGermanNut - 7/11/2017 10:07:23 AM
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Like the difference between the C-Class, E-Class and S-Class is so great that the models look like totally different vehicles from three different brands. Go walk around the Mercedes-Benz lot and I bet you'll confuse an E-Class for a C-Class and an S-Class for an E-Class.




GeorgeDGeorgeD - 7/11/2017 4:53:19 PM
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Casrlassitter, Your reason for getting a BMW over a Audi doesn't make sense. You comment on how the Audi's look the same throughout the line up and decided to move on, but buy a BMW when they also have a lineup that looks the same throughout.




bw5011bw5011 - 7/12/2017 2:33:59 PM
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You purchased a BMW because that is what you wanted. BMW, Benz and Audi cars all look similar throughout their brand. You don't have to like Audi, they are breaking sales records every month, they have plenty of support. Look to see how many cars look just like yours on one of your commutes. Enjoy your new car.


FirewombatFirewombat - 7/12/2017 3:27:14 PM
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Audis definitely look more similar model-to-model than their competitors. It's a design theme they started and still own today.


carsnyccarsnyc - 7/11/2017 9:17:39 AM
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Far from ugly but also totally insipid and uninspiring.



GermanNutGermanNut - 7/11/2017 9:18:04 AM
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The new A8 is indeed the dawn of a new design era for the Audi brand. The new A8 is aggressive, luxurious and the technological leader of its class. I believe the new A8's design and cutting edge technology will cause a huge increase in its sales figures.

Most importantly, the A8's design will be so welcomed by buyers globally that when the A8's design is filtered down to the A7 and A6, it will cause Audi's global sales to skyrocket much like what Mercedes-Benz experienced after its current generation S-Class went on sale.

Audi has really outdone itself with this new A8. The A8 stays true to Audi's slogan of Vorsprung durch Technik which translates in English to 'Advancement through Technology' and as new technologies such as autonomous driving and artificial intelligence become a greater part of the car experience, Audi has proven that it will be there to deliver some of the most advanced capabilities in the industry.


GermanNutGermanNut - 7/11/2017 10:04:03 AM
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BobM, I think people are really underestimating how great a role technology will play in the future of the automobile industry. Technologies such as autonomous driving, self-parking and artificial intelligence will fundamentally change the way the industry functions.

These features will be more important than the design of the car because having them on-board and at the cutting edge will mean a safer, more efficient and better ownership experience.

The technology in the new 2018 Audi A8 is far more advanced than the Mercedes-Benz S-Class and even the new BMW 7-Series. I would say it's more advanced than what Tesla offers as well. People will try to argue that the features might be gimmicky but fully-autonomous driving at speeds of up to 37 mph with garage pilot and remote parking pilot means these features will be used everyday.


FirewombatFirewombat - 7/11/2017 10:04:04 AM
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I think the increase in sales MB has seen mostly comes from increasing their model range and first generations of the CLA and GLA(big sellers and vehicle types MB didn't have before) as well as refreshed C-class, which is a very accomplished car even in a competitive segment, and GLC (refreshed GLK). Audi already has competitors to these models so I don't see how the styling is going to cause sales to "sky rocket" as the only new model types they are launching are niche SUV coupes. Also not seeing a new design direction here or anything that is drastically new or different from existing Audi designs.


GermanNutGermanNut - 7/11/2017 10:12:58 AM
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Considering the technology on-board the new A8 is truly ahead of the competition, if it filters down to the rest of the range before BMW and Mercedes-Benz can catch up and spread similar technologies to their own lineup, I think Audi has a great chance of seeing its sales soar. I think design will play less of a role as technology advances.

Imagine the A6, A7 and A8 all offering the self-driving up to 37 mph with garage pilot, parking pilot etc. and if Mercedes-Benz and BMW don't offer something similar, I think buyers will gravitate to Audi.


FirewombatFirewombat - 7/11/2017 10:21:24 AM
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Technology is fleeting, Jaguar / Land Rover plan to have autonomous level 4 available beginning next year. Tesla says the Model 3 is already being produced to have level 5 capability. Technology like autonomous driving is also often outsourced, much like many systems in cars nowadays, and everyone ends-up buying systems from the same company.


GermanNutGermanNut - 7/11/2017 10:57:33 AM
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Tesla and Jaguar/Land Rover combined sell around 1/3 of what Audi does globally. There isn't another luxury automaker with Audi's scale that is releasing such advanced technologies.


FirewombatFirewombat - 7/11/2017 11:23:35 AM
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Not sure what sales suddenly have to do with technological innovation but my point was the technology won't be as advanced in a couple of months so it is a fleeting moment, as it is with technology in all of the cars in this class.


GermanNutGermanNut - 7/11/2017 11:30:46 AM
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What do you mean by fleeting? To top the A8's technology, the next S-Class and 7-Series will need to offer fully autonomous driving, more advanced self-parking/garage parking and more advanced wireless charging and an even smarter suspension setup. I'm not sure I'd call the A8's technology fleeting because in order to top it, the competition will need to essentially offer a fully-autonomous car. That's a big hurdle to climb and means the A8's technological leadership should last a lot longer than you claim.

Also, scale is important because Audi has the resources to compete with Mercedes-Benz and BMW globally, which Jaguar and Land Rover do not have. Jaguar/Land Rover and Tesla combined sold somewhere around 690,000 vehicles in 2016. Audi sold 1.87 million. Technology can cause sales to skyrocket but the competitors claiming to offer even more advanced technology than Audi's A8 are too far behind sales wise to catch up to Mercedes-Benz and BMW anytime soon.


FirewombatFirewombat - 7/11/2017 11:53:51 AM
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Oh, now technology causes sales to soar. You can keep formulated responses to back-up a biased opinion but they will still sound ridiculous. So to use your kind of language and thinking to explain this properly in terms of sales - Audi A8: Dead on arrival. Carry on S-Class,.


MDarringerMDarringer - 7/11/2017 3:54:53 PM
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What drugs are you on?


FirewombatFirewombat - 7/12/2017 3:29:26 PM
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@MD this has been going on for years, he's definitely an adult by now unless he started commenting here when he was 9 yo


GermanNutGermanNut - 7/12/2017 4:03:18 PM
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My comment is in context of where Audi stands in relation to its closest rivals in terms of sales, revenue and profitability. Audi's new design was a well calculated business decision with just enough differentiation to cause a surge in sales without risking the alienation of its customer base.


FirewombatFirewombat - 7/13/2017 2:58:15 AM
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Your comment is in the context of sounding like a paid Audi marketing bot


mre30mre30 - 7/11/2017 9:40:29 AM
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Stylistically better than the 7-series and Lexus.

Interior beautiful (expect more than a few Tesla conquest sales as that brand wanes - I'd say 1/2 of Tesla customers buy it for its cool interior).

For those who have tired of their S-Classes (5 yrs old at this point), its really the only choice.

I don't disagree with some of the comments here - but in a segment starved for an S-Class competitor, its really the only option.

Nice work Audi.


FirewombatFirewombat - 7/11/2017 11:06:05 AM
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Unfortunately your entire comment is contradicted by sales figures


FirewombatFirewombat - 7/11/2017 10:10:13 AM
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So basically as expected. There is something very Lincoln / old Hyandai Azera about the rear but it works. Nice looking car overall but not very different to current Audi designs besides the larger grill. I think the previous generation might actually look a bit better.

Where they have done well is the interior design, I like this look and it's way better than the cheap-looking black plastic air vents running across the length of the dashboard that are used in other new Audi models.

I think they had an opportunity here to use styling to help push the design for their cars in a different direction but it is a big saloon and no one was really expecting the change to be radical so not a letdown just not very exciting. Buyers in this segment are very conservative however so par for the course.


GermanNutGermanNut - 7/11/2017 10:18:31 AM
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I agree with your analysis. Audi isn't Jaguar that needed a radical design change in order to survive as a company. Audi is already very successful globally in terms of sales, revenue and profitability to the point where it competes with BMW and Mercedes-Benz in all the major markets and has a full lineup of competing vehicles.

Audi simply didn't need to take such a massive design risk given that the A8 is an expensive car that will be bought by older and more conservative buyers.

Instead of using radical design, Audi used advanced technologies to make it clear that it is indeed a force to be reckoned with on a global scale.

The ball is in BMW and Mercedes-Benz's court to match Audi's technological innovation with this new A8. Let's see what they come up with.


FirewombatFirewombat - 7/11/2017 11:14:36 AM
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I'm glad you agree but I wish you were more consistent in your opinions.

Going from "the A8 will introduce Audi's new design language that will cause sales to soar because they have a new head of design and they're going to mimic the success of MB in recent times because of that new styling" to "Audi didn't need a completely different design approach because they're already successful" is very contradictory and especially irrelevant when every one of your comments sound like it's been written by Audi's marketing department.

I'm sure BMW and MB will be fine, their global sales are increasing, unlike Audi's sales decline, and neither company is currently experiencing a global management crisis, unlike Audi.

We'll have to see what law enforcement and prosecutors have to say about Mercedes-Benz and their ability to match Audi's "technological innovation" when it comes to diesel emissions.


GermanNutGermanNut - 7/11/2017 11:37:45 AM
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My comment was in context of where Audi is in relation to Mercedes-Benz in BMW in terms of global sales, revenue and profitability. I believe Audi's design direction is definitely new but it did not have to be so new as to make the A8 unrecognizable from other Audi's or even the current A8. Audi took a new design direction with the understanding that it is already highly competitive globally and did not need a radical change. Is the A8's design new? Absolutely. Is it radically different? No, and it never needed to be. However, I'd say the technology is a giant step forward.

Regarding Audi's sales, they might be down YTD globally, but June was the first month of positive YTD global sales growth. Crucially, China turned positive and Audi outsold Mercedes-Benz in China for the month despite Mercedes-Benz's much larger percentage gain.

As I maintained all along, Audi's sales decline was due to a disagreement between the company and its dealers in China. I don't believe it ever was a product problem. Audi's vehicles hold their own and so I'm not surprised that when the disagreement was settled, Audi's sales rose in China because the cars are desirable.


FirewombatFirewombat - 7/11/2017 11:56:14 AM
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Your comment is in the context of denial.


GermanNutGermanNut - 7/12/2017 4:03:56 PM
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My comment is in context of where Audi stands in relation to its closest rivals in terms of sales, revenue and profitability. Audi's new design was a well calculated business decision with just enough differentiation to cause a surge in sales without risking the alienation of its customer base.


FirewombatFirewombat - 7/13/2017 3:00:28 AM
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Denial: failure to acknowledge an unacceptable truth or emotion or to admit it into consciousness, used as a defense mechanism.


PUGPROUDPUGPROUD - 7/11/2017 10:21:28 AM
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Boring! Sterile! A technological wonder. Great quality. Still boring!


carloslassitercarloslassiter - 7/11/2017 10:48:52 AM
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"Yes and somehow BMW is so much better at it. Please this has more to do with your own personal prejudices then the truth. The A3, A4, A6, and A8 are made to look like a family, just as the BMW 2,3,4,5,7 are meant to be...."

You think a BMW 2 series looks like a 3? Really? I find that hard to believe. BMWs are different enough that I can tell them apart without walking behind and checking the model #. Audi more than any other maker has adopted one single look and adopted it on everything they sell. That in and of itself is not a bad thing, but it does make the statement that this new 8 "signals the dawning of a new design era for the entire brand" sound completely ridiculous. If the 8 was the first Audi to adopt this look then fine, but it seems to be the very last one.


GermanNutGermanNut - 7/11/2017 10:59:45 AM
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Do you think a 3-Series looks radically different from a 5-Series which looks radically different than a 7-Series? What about telling the C-Class, E-Class and S-Class apart?

If you are confused by how similar Audi's vehicles look to each other how can you possibly not be confused between the C-Class and the E-Class considering they are identical clones in different sizes?


pepito66pepito66 - 7/11/2017 10:55:09 AM
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The car is extremely elegant and well executed in and out , not to mention the high level of technology and sophistication. Kudos for Audi team , those advance features will be copy buy other in three or four years as always, they already copy theirs emblematic grill headalights and tails lights just to mention few of the details.
Painful or not the three Germans are the one that have power to create , innovate and spent a great amount of money to do it, other just wait to buy copy and produce in a cheaper way.
The new A8 is great.


GermanNutGermanNut - 7/11/2017 11:02:02 AM
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The interior design is a radical departure from the current A8. It does away with the rotary knob that is still in use by BMW and Mercedes-Benz in their 7-Series and S-Class respectively.


TheSteveTheSteve - 7/11/2017 11:04:33 AM
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I believe the Mercedes C-class is safe, and A8 sales will not skyrocket.

As for Audi's "new styling language", see my post (link below) for an example of how their alleged new direction was easily anticipated, and accurately described as "what we’ve already seen, just more of it".

http://www.autospies.com/news/TEASED-Audi-Reveals-MORE-Than-Ever-Of-Its-All-new-A8-Launch-Comes-Tuesday-93482/
(posted on 7/8/2017 10:47:21 AM)


GermanNutGermanNut - 7/11/2017 11:16:00 AM
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I refuted many of your points and believe you were incorrect in many of your assumptions about the new 2018 Audi A8:

Actually, Audi did mention that the new A8 was the start of a new design era, the era under Marc Lichte's leadership:

http://www.audipasadenanews.com/Articles/first-lichte-designed-show-car-marks-new-design-era-for-audi

I think Steve's prediction are going to be wrong in many ways and I think a big reason for Audi's sustained success in the U.S. (and now China turned positive in June) is due to its technological innovation...

First and foremost, "Greater focus on tech and stuff that looks cool in a car review; less on outstanding driver usability." The usability is a big part of what Audi has planned for the new A8. The car will feature Level III autonomous driving capabilities, which have never before been available on a production car. Furthermore, the self-parking feature will be the easiest and most usable version of the technology to date based on the Audi teaser videos.

"A whiz-bang, video-game-style virtual gauge cluster with a strong emphasis on showing off what programmers can think up, rather than a superior user interface." Audi's Virtual Cockpit was actually the first of its kind and Audi has been the first mainstream brand to offer such a technology across its lineup. It makes driving easier as the data is displayed in front of the driver.

"Fewer real controls, with their functionality moved to a computer screen, buried in layers of menus and mouse clicks (for worse real-time control by the driver)." Actually, there are more actual controls in the rear combined with a computer screen. Audi is not looking to offer everything via a screen. This has been seen in the Audi teaser videos of the car's interior.

Regarding the creases, trapezoids and grille, it's your opinion that it doesn't look good. I feel it looks futuristic and buyers will be drawn to the futuristic look.

The new A8, most importantly, will set the stage for Audi's future design direction under Marc Lichte's leadership and its details will flow down to the next A7, A6, A4 etc. Audi is taking the Mercedes-Benz approach of styling from the top down and the A8 will usher in this change. If Audi is successful with the A8, I think it's very possible the brand achieves skyrocketing global sales growth just as Mercedes-Benz experienced after the S-Class's design details went downrange to the C-Class and up to the E-Class.





GermanNutGermanNut - 7/11/2017 9:21:26 PM
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I don't think the autonomous driving is just half a step better than the competition. It's more like a giant leap over what Tesla can do, which is itself a giant leap over what BMW's 7-Series and Mercedes-Benz S-Class can do.

The Tesla still requires the driver to keep their hands on the steering wheel and stay alert. The Audi doesn't require that of the driver. Furthermore, BMW's 7-Series is only autonomous at speeds of 10 mph, which is not suitable for anything more than back roads. The A8's system is autonomous at more than 3 times the speed of the 7-Series.


cidflekkencidflekken - 7/11/2017 11:52:35 AM
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From a design standpoint, disappointing. It looks more like the A6 now, odd considering the A6 is a much-aged design. The new front and rear design language has virtually zero impact and, at the end of the day, doesn't look much different. Just a true evolution of the current designs.
The interior looks very elegant, but cold and sterile. Not sure how RR achieved a better environment with the new Velar and its new console/dash where the A8 feels like it's missing something. I'd be interested to find out where the air vents are. But all that shiny glass and glossy finishes make me itch thinking about the fingerprints. At least it's a step forward in interior design, unlike the 7 series which put fancy materials over a dated design.
From a tech standpoint, outside of the half-step more advanced autonomous system, nothing makes me think that this is THE large luxo barge to have. And none of it would make me think, "why didn't the others think of this?".

Will this drive/ride well? I'm sure it will. But I don't think the S-Class need worry. And I think Audi needs to be concerned that they will be quickly upstaged by the upcoming Lexus LS.


GermanNutGermanNut - 7/11/2017 5:09:47 PM
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You must have missed the self-parking feature along with intelligent suspension that is more advanced than the S-Class's.


cidflekkencidflekken - 7/11/2017 6:46:41 PM
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Oh, no, I got all that. As I stated, nothing overly compelling to make me WANT or NEED an A8 over anything else. And technology is a wash these days. It's only a matter of time before someone else comes along and ups the game again so tech, to me, isn't a selling point at all. I stripped down my current car's options list substantially because I don't care for all the fancy nonsense, just the essentials. Not to mention, S-Class and others have had self-parking for years. The find-a-space app has been around since 2011. The adjustable suspension may be more advanced, but it doesn't mean it's better.


dumpstydumpsty - 7/12/2017 3:59:33 PM
+2 Boost
Many of Audi's recent designs just further remind me that their lineup is closely related to the VW lineup.

In the US, consumers had beat on Cadillac to "greatly differentiate" their exterior/interior designs or face the threat of killing the luxury subsidiary. With the exception of the Escalade, much of the task has been resolved.

Audi has definitely offered some really nice tech & powertrain goodies over recent years, but proportionally, their cars look too much like VW's. So basically, the brand overall is perceived as just "hotted up" VW's with a different logo. Its funny though - my wife has wanted an A6 but then couldn't tell it apart from a neighbor's Passat with aftermarket wheels.

...can't let her go car shopping alone....


222max222max - 7/11/2017 12:04:47 PM
+10 Boost
Um, er, Uh... that grill. And I have traditionally really loved Audi's but lately the styling is a bit lost. Somehow this looks like a modern day VW Pheaton.


Agent00JAgent00J - 7/11/2017 12:42:08 PM
+8 Boost
Yawn....


HauergHauerg - 7/11/2017 1:09:16 PM
+13 Boost
Whoever is responsible for bringing this front design into production should be fired.


CANADIANCOMMENTSCANADIANCOMMENTS - 7/11/2017 2:45:30 PM
+11 Boost
If you can trust the web, there were 18,803 S-Class sales in the USA last year. Everyone else, Audi, Lexus, BMW, Jaguar, Maserati, Porsche, Aston Martin, Acura, Infiniti, Bentley, Rolls Royce etc... gets the scraps in terms of units sold. It is an extremely small segment and while very profitable for the brands that sell in it, it does not keep the lights on.



FirewombatFirewombat - 7/11/2017 3:49:30 PM
+3 Boost
I don't think Bentley and RR compete against Mercedes-Benz, different level of car in price and execution, even if you look at at the Merc-Maybach which is a tiny portion of sales, if they even sell any.

Saying models from Lexus, Audi, and BMW get the "scraps" is also incorrect. If we take your 18,800 S-class sales the rivals from the 3 brands mentioned outsell the S-Class. That's without adding the other brands you mentioned. That doesn't take away from the sales success of the S-Class, it leads the segment in sales but calling it scraps is an exaggeration when the 7-series alone accounts for 13,000 sales, not as much as the S-Class but the S-Class is also not outselling that car 2-1 for 2016 year stats.

Also not sure what models Acura, Infiniti, and Aston Martin have that compete against the S-Class?


GermanNutGermanNut - 7/11/2017 3:05:37 PM
-8 Boost
I believe the new A8 will present massive competition for the S-Class. Until the next S-Class arrives, which won't be until 2020, Audi will be leagues ahead of the competition in terms of technology.

Mercedes-Benz and BMW better work on getting their autonomous-driving, artificial intelligence and remote parking capabilities in order because without massive advancements in those areas, the sales of their flagship sedans will suffer as buyers gravitate to the more advanced Audi.

Audi has raised the bar big time and Mercedes-Benz and BMW must now play catch up. The A8 has set a new benchmark in its class. Your turn BMW and Mercedes-Benz.


TruthyTruthy - 7/11/2017 3:47:08 PM
-7 Boost
You all are missing several key points. First, a 2D picture is no way to evaluate design. Surface tension, etc need to be appreciated in the metal and Audis always look good. Audi recognizes that what is moving cars in this class are outstanding interiors - and this sets a new bar.
Lastly, it does not need to outsell the S-Class to be a success. It will cast a halo on other Audis. If buyers opt for an upgraded option package on A3s and A4s because of this halo it will drive a lot of profit.


MDarringerMDarringer - 7/11/2017 3:55:35 PM
+6 Boost
So this will be an all-time, game-changer in person?


TheSteveTheSteve - 7/11/2017 4:00:02 PM
+5 Boost

Truthy: An *actual* halo car (versus a "hope this becomes a halo car") gets buyers into the showroom, inspired by The Halo, and ultimately buying a car from the brand. The 1st Gen R8 was a good example of a halo car. The A8 has never been a halo car, simply because exceptionally few people ache to see one in person. This will apply to the brand-new A8 (this car) as well.

I can't imagine Audi showrooms across the nation after closing hours tonight, with hoards of people outside, their faces pressed up against the windows, hoping to catch a glimpse of the new A8 in person.


GermanNutGermanNut - 7/11/2017 4:15:52 PM
-6 Boost
People are underestimating the impact of technology to be the game changer and halo component that draws buyers of less expensive models to the brand. The A8's technology is far more advanced than what the BMW 7-series and Mercedes-Benz S-Class offer.

Given that the A8's technology will filter down to the A7, A6 etc. there is no reason to believe buyers won't be drawn to the A8's cutting edge technology that will be available in the less expensive models.

We are only a year away from the A7 and A6 also having cutting edge autonomous driving and self-parking capabilities.

The way Mercedes-Benz used its S-Class design and moved it downmarket to the C-Class and up to the E-Class to grow sales, Audi will use its technology leadership and move the technology downmarket to the A7, A6 etc. to grow sales.


GermanNutGermanNut - 7/11/2017 4:16:18 PM
-6 Boost
People are underestimating the impact of technology to be the game changer and halo component that draws buyers of less expensive models to the brand. The A8's technology is far more advanced than what the BMW 7-series and Mercedes-Benz S-Class offer.

Given that the A8's technology will filter down to the A7, A6 etc. there is no reason to believe buyers won't be drawn to the A8's cutting edge technology that will be available in the less expensive models.

We are only a year away from the A7 and A6 also having cutting edge autonomous driving and self-parking capabilities.

The way Mercedes-Benz used its S-Class design and moved it downmarket to the C-Class and up to the E-Class to grow sales, Audi will use its technology leadership and move the technology downmarket to the A7, A6 etc. to grow sales.


GermanNutGermanNut - 7/11/2017 4:16:31 PM
-3 Boost
Sorry for the double post above.


GeorgeDGeorgeD - 7/11/2017 4:56:34 PM
-6 Boost
Is it a conservative exterior design, yes. It does have some very nice lines. The tech & comfort is the main selling highlights. Plus, you'll still have a very nice driver's car with the blend of tech/comfort.


NewQNewQ - 7/11/2017 8:56:21 PM
-7 Boost
It's very nice. It adheres well to the position the A8 has occupied for many years. It's smart, clean, handsome, and has some great new technology.

As it's the newest of the Big 3 Luxo-Yachts, it's bound to have the most up to date technology. That's just how it works. Almost all of the ideas are the next evolution of what already exists in this segment. The active camera-based suspension, the rear removable touch tablet, the fragrance dispenser, etc. The biggest leap forward is the autonomous driving (or maybe the foot massage, depending on who you are), but the 7-Series can do that under 10 MPH. 37-something MPH is a pretty big leap from that mind you, and it's worth applauding.

I still think most buyers in this segment tend to stick with the "type" of car they want, and buy the vehicle occupying that role. Audi seems to have gone even further towards the futuristic/tech side in terms of design, specifically interior design, with the S-Class being the most old-school luxury, and the 7-Series being in between. The new A8 kind of reminds me of the new Lexus LS in terms of interior design, and that's no bad thing.

For my money, my tastes tend towards the S-Class/7-Series in terms of their takes on luxury, but the new A8 is very impressive and worth a look. I mean that literally too, not in a "I'll take a Tesla over this...even though I could never afford any of them", but in terms of the actual market segment I shop.


MDarringerMDarringer - 7/11/2017 11:01:01 PM
+7 Boost
Hilarious: "...It adheres well to the position the A8 has occupied..." What's that? FOURTH in a three-way race? The A8 has always failed to perform in the market. The ancient Lexus LS smashes the A8 and the new LS will most decidedly smash the Audi Continental oops A8.


NewQNewQ - 7/12/2017 9:19:51 AM
+2 Boost
No, I would say its position is technology-focused with a conservative neo-industrial design, for lack of a better term. It's much lighter on classic luxury design cues than its competition.

Although very similar in many ways, each of the cars in this segment still has its own defining identity, or position in the market, regardless of how well that position sells.

The new LS's design and unique take on the segment excites me more than the A8, but that's just my opinion. I still can't deny the quality of the Audi, even if it doesn't personally interest me as much as others.


TheSteveTheSteve - 7/12/2017 10:10:33 AM
-1 Boost
NewQ: Just as an FYI, Acura decided to become a “technology focused” brand, believing that tech will increase sales. Their awkwardly-styled headlights are one example of signaling “we are tech.” So far, this approach has not worked in Acura’s favor. I sure hope Audi does not become the Acura of the luxury car market.


GermanNutGermanNut - 7/12/2017 11:02:00 AM
-8 Boost
Acura also never had the complete lineup the way Audi has nor did it have the same luxury brand identity. So while Acura became the "technology focused" brand it never had the complete lineup to spread it to. The approach was never going to work if the lineup wasn't there.


CANADIANCOMMENTSCANADIANCOMMENTS - 7/11/2017 10:08:27 PM
+4 Boost
The tech (which isn't legal in Canada - no TV watching when you are driving) is tremendous and the interior is very nice. But the exterior is a conservative leap backwards and makes the car look like it was carved from a #3 bar of industrial soap with a bit of chrome added. Previous A8's have had more emotive designs.



FirewombatFirewombat - 7/12/2017 3:02:16 AM
+4 Boost
Funny how there are so many brand new profiles commenting, that no one's ever seen before, when there is an Audi article about a new product launch...


MDarringerMDarringer - 7/12/2017 7:28:04 AM
+2 Boost
It's also funny how some show up and then disappear like Lana82. It's like someone has so many fake profiles he can't remember them all.


GermanNutGermanNut - 7/12/2017 4:07:23 PM
-7 Boost
It's so hilarious seeing all these commenters criticize the new 2018 Audi A8. I think the sales performance will make them eat cake as the A8's sales soar and it steals market share from the S-Class.

The new A8 was a calculated business decision designed to increase sales while not risking alienation of the brand's customers. Audi did more than enough without going overboard.

I'm excited to see the sales results play out over the next few years. I think people will be very surprised at how successful the A8 is.

Time for all of us to kickback and wait for the reviews and sales figures to come in. An exciting time ahead for sure!


MDarringerMDarringer - 7/12/2017 4:19:20 PM
+8 Boost
What drugs are you on? There will not be a stampede of buyers for the Audi Continental.


GermanNutGermanNut - 7/12/2017 5:08:54 PM
-6 Boost
Watch as the A8's sales soar and buyers are mesmerized by its combination of technology, luxury, and new design themes. It will keep the current A8 buyers who immediately recognize its shape and steal 7-Series and S-Class customers who realize their cars simply can't keep up in the tech department.

We'll have to wait and see, but I definitely believe the stampede is going to happen!


FirewombatFirewombat - 7/13/2017 3:01:45 AM
+5 Boost
Why are you still commenting? Are you paid by post?


llaroollaroo - 7/12/2017 4:12:34 PM
-3 Boost
Like my new A5 Sportback, when seen up it close your feelings change immensely. The flagship is always the most conservative yet the interior is stellar...
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CAR54CAR54 - 7/12/2017 9:17:36 PM
0 Boost
A BMW is a BMW, a Mercedes is a Mercedes. A Lexus is an expensive Toyota. An Acura is a expensive Honda. An Infiniti is a expensive Nissan. What do these vehicles have in common ? They are reliable. An Audi is an expensive VW, what do the Audis and VWs have in common ? They are crappy cars with poor reliability. It amazes me that people will pay more for the inconvenience of many, many service visit frustrations and then the real horror starts when the warranty runs out.


llaroollaroo - 7/12/2017 10:00:19 PM
+2 Boost
such crap


llaroollaroo - 7/13/2017 11:39:49 AM
+1 Boost
put an Arteon beside an A5 Sportback - then you can see the difference ( in favour of Audi ) , just more thought with details as the price would suggest


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