Electric Cars Are the Future? Not So Fast

Electric Cars Are the Future? Not So Fast
Skepticism of electric cars melts a bit more with each new announcement from the likes of Tesla, which last week launched production of a mass-market vehicle, and Volvo, which days later promised to phase out gasoline-only engines by 2019.

But that progress comes with two big caveats: First, it has relied on extensive public subsidies and, second, it has done little to reduce planet-warming emissions of carbon dioxide. If electric cars are ever to displace gasoline engines without government putting its thumb on the scale, they must not only keep innovating but outrun fossil fuels where productivity also keeps advancing.

The federal government offers a tax credit of up to $7,500 each for the first 200,000 electric or plug-in hybrid cars a manufacturer sells. Throw in state tax credits, subsidies for recharging infrastructure, relief from gasoline taxes, preferential lanes and parking spots and government fleet purchases, and taxpayers help pay for every electric car on the road.

What happens when the credits go away? When Hong Kong slashed a tax break worth roughly $55,000 for a Tesla in April, its sales ground to a halt. In Georgia, electric vehicle sales plummeted 80% the month after a $5,000 tax credit was repealed.

Tesla will find plenty of wealthy niche buyers for its high-priced cars once it exhausts its credits. But for electric vehicles as a whole, hybrids have a sobering lesson. From 2005 to 2010, some hybrid buyers enjoyed a $3,500 tax credit. Sales kept rising after the credit expired, peaking at 487,000, or 3.1% of total vehicles, in 2013, according to Edmunds.com, when gasoline averaged $3.51 a gallon. A surge in oil supply, thanks to fracking, caused gasoline prices to plummet to $2.36 a gallon this year, and hybrids’ market share has dropped to just 2.1%.

Many optimists think falling battery costs mean electric vehicles (EVs) will inevitably displace the internal combustion engine (ICE). Last week, Bloomberg predicted electric cars would become “price competitive” with ICE cars in eight years without subsidies.

But such scenarios hinge not just on the cost of batteries but on the price of oil and the efficiency of competing vehicles. Economists Thomas Covert, Michael Greenstone and Christopher Knittel, in an article for the Journal of Economic Perspectives, estimate that at the current battery cost of $270 per kwh, oil would have to cost more than $300 a barrel? (in 2020 dollars) to make electric and gasoline equally attractive. If battery costs fall to $100, as Tesla Founder Elon Musk has targeted, oil would have to average $90.

That could happen. But optimists “overlook the compensating effect of incumbent technology,” says Kevin Book, of ClearView Energy Partners, an advisory firm. He notes, for example, the spectacular decline in natural gas prices that hydraulic fracking has made possible. Global oil reserves have repeatedly defied predictions of shrinkage as industry innovation expands what can be recovered. And internal combustion engine efficiency typically rises 2% a year.

ClearView says that in an optimistic scenario, where battery costs fall 10% a year starting now and gasoline begins at $5 a gallon, electric vehicles will be competitive in five years. If battery costs fall just 5% a year and gasoline starts at $2.25, it will take more than 20.
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TheSteveTheSteve - 7/12/2017 2:17:35 PM
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When people talk about EVs *NOT* being the way of the future, their views are based on their beliefs, opinions, assumptions, and understandings, which are surely incomplete and likely not factually correct, in whole or in part. Additionally, they use "today's" thinking, which is obviously "old fashioned and outdated" if you can imagine someone from 2027 looking back and reading what someone in 2017 predicted about "the future."

EVs are coming. They're already here, in dribs and drabs, with limited capabilities and consumer appeal. But the EV landscape is always changing. They're constantly changing, and getting better.

There is no doubt in my mind that EVs are in our future, and ICE will go the way of the horse and buggy. And yes, there are a lot of incremental steps we'll have to take between "here" and "there," but that's normal. Ford didn't go from the Model-A to the 1964 Mustang in a single step.


TomMTomM - 7/12/2017 5:15:54 PM
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TheSTEVE - EV's are "future" vehicles for sure - but the idea that they will replace the ICE engine vehicles by 2027 or even 2057 is not yet clear - nor is it clear that they will be the next "Final" solution to our transportation problems.

And just as there are still horses and buggies (Have you ever been to the Amish countryside) -there will still be ICE engined vehicles far into the future. THere are just too many such things on the road right now - and since most NEW ev's cannot be purchased by the average US car purchaser(Who cannot afford a new car) and there is NO supply of older used vehicles that can replace an ICE vehicle for range - It will be 25-30 years at least before they even could be the option. Most older EV's available on the used market simply are not options right now.

However - in the 25-30 years - we might have other options including Hydrogen powered vehicles - and while I doubt it will happen that quick - we might even have solar cells that can generate enough power from the roof space of a car to power an electric motor.

But - 50 years from now - ICE vehicles - and Hybrid Vehicles with ICE engines will still be a major portion of the vehicles on the road - and they will never actually go away completely - just as the horse, and the Camel haven't either.


vdivvdiv - 7/12/2017 5:30:03 PM
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Hydrogen will not happen. It makes no sense, it is too complex to produce transport, store, distribute and use, and too inefficient relative to plugin BEVs.


TheSteveTheSteve - 7/12/2017 9:38:36 PM
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TomM: I agree with you on all points, except I hold no opinion on how soon it'll be before EVs are the "normal" mode of transportation for the masses. I'd be mightily surprised if it was 10 years or less.


TheSteveTheSteve - 7/12/2017 9:42:00 PM
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Additional point about hydrogen powered mass vehicles: I don't see that happening. So far, it requires 3 to 4 times the amount of electricity to create fuel-form hydrogen out of raw materials, as compared to the amount of electricity needed to move a vehicle the same distance using by charging an EV battery directly. This makes sense only if electricity is abundant, cheap, and cleanly produced. That's not panning out, either.


Tiberius1701ATiberius1701A - 7/12/2017 3:52:02 PM
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Until and when you can rely on quickly refueling your electric conveyance as quickly as an ICE powered vehicle, petrol power will be the dominant form of energy for personal transportation. Plain and simple. Anyone who thinks otherwise is drinking the Elon Kool-Aid.


vdivvdiv - 7/12/2017 5:21:23 PM
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Or living Elon's dream, Captain Kirk.

Cars charge overnight at home, just like your cell phone, waking up with a full battery in the morning, so for the vast majority of time they are faster and more convenient to "refuel"

When you travel, you have to stop every two or three hours to take a break, exchange fluids yourself, grab a bite, check Autospies for the latest nonsense, and by the time you are ready to go again so is your EV.

Plain and simple, indeed!


Vette71Vette71 - 7/12/2017 7:29:43 PM
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vdiv, huge swaths of auto users don't travel the way you outline. EV recharge stops take too long and are too frequent. You are dictating behavior change and the masses aren't buying it. Overnight recharge? Not if you don't have a garage. Even if you do, many homes still have 100 amp service and can't handle a charger.
There are lots of issues that have to be solved before EV's can get the majority of the new vehicle market, never mind the used market as Tom discusses.


vdivvdiv - 7/12/2017 8:15:56 PM
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Really? Maybe they should. Taking a regular safety break is kind of important regardless of what they drive.

You can recharge any EV with just a 120V outlet, it will give you 40-50 miles overnight, which is about the average daily commute.

Yes, there are a lot of issues, but there are also a lot of solutions. Buying and driving an EV including used ones is becoming easier. To me it is a no-brainer, has been for almost 7 years now.


SanJoseDriverSanJoseDriver - 7/19/2017 11:11:23 AM
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You definitely don't need 100 amps for an EV. Heck, a standard 120v outlet gives a Model S about 4-5 miles per hour of charging. If you car is in your garage for 12 hours, that is 50-60 miles without even putting a 220v outlet in your garage. A Model 3 will get 6-7 miles per hour on a 120v outlet, plenty for overnight charging.

With a 220v outlet (~$400 to install in California), you can charge at 20 or 30 amps and easily get a full charge within a few hours if you have a typical commute.

By the end of the year Superchargers will be everywhere, including urban centers... meaning even if you don't have a garage you can still quickly fuel your car and still pay less than what gas costs today for an equivalent sized car. Look at the current map: https://www.tesla.com/supercharger -- plus the most popular stations will have restrooms, lounges, food, etc. and up to 40 charging stalls.


vdivvdiv - 7/12/2017 7:08:40 PM
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Really?! You have hydrogen at home now? Compressed at 10,000 psi?
Call the bomb squad!

The gov't subsidizes hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, as much as three times over EVs, has been for almost two decades and they are still nowhere to be found.


MorePowerMorePower - 7/12/2017 7:39:13 PM
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The only people pushing hydrogen are fracking companies, auto dealership service departments and fuel suppliers.

Most hydrogen engines convert hydrogen into electricity to drive electric motors.




TheSteveTheSteve - 7/12/2017 9:56:29 PM
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There are a lot of reasons why hydrogen fuel in vehicles is a colossally dumb idea:

1) If we take the amount of electricity we need to charge an EV to run 100 miles, we need 3 to 4 times that amount of electricity to convert raw elements that contain hydrogen into fuel-form hydrogen. The best scientists say they can't envision anything even remotely "on the horizon" that will change that.

2) There are no large-scale hydrogen production facilities...

3) Or storage infrastructure...

4) Or fuel transportation infrastructure...

5) Or fuel distribution infrastructure. The continental US has about 3 dozen hydrogen stations. Around 2 dozen are in California.

6) The current price of a gallon of hydrogen fuel (not hydrogen gas) by far exceeds the price of gasoline, and it delivers less range.

7) Because so much electricity is need to create such a relatively small amount of hydrogen fuel, the current electrical grid (with little spare capacity) becomes a bottleneck, and about 2/3 of our current electrical generation comes from burning stuff, like coal, natural gas, and garbage. Not exactly "clean" electricity.

8) Since the 1940s, the promise of Nuclear-generated electricity that's "too cheap to meter" has never panned out. Not even close. When you look into the total life-cycle (including plant construction, "incident management", waste storage, etc.), Nuclear is anything but economical.

Yeah, this is today's picture, but there's nothing even remotely close that suggests this will change in a big way anytime soon. Reality sucks when it tells us something we don't like :-(


vdivvdiv - 7/13/2017 2:49:47 PM
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Thank you, Bob! Calling me names really strengthens your argument!

So, if it is so easy and so great, where is the infrastructure and where are the cars?


SanJoseDriverSanJoseDriver - 7/19/2017 11:16:28 AM
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Hydrogen will never take off if BEVs become popular. We already have the infrastructure for EVs and Hydrogen cars are basically hybrids that combine today's EVs with an unnecessary powertrain. ICE hybrids will die off as well.


CactoesGe1CactoesGe1 - 7/12/2017 11:59:48 PM
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I want a Tesla.


SanJoseDriverSanJoseDriver - 7/19/2017 11:14:13 AM
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Most of the current "lithium" batteries is Nickel... lithium is a small fraction of the chemistry.


HolydudeHolydude - 8/4/2017 7:02:39 PM
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Battery technology will evolve, so will charging technology. More importantly on why EV will eventually replace ICE is that even the top 1% and presidents breathe like the rest of us peons, and when they're choking on smog all day like they do in Beijing, actions will certainly be taken. It may not happen in Trump's America, but all signs point that way in various other countries.


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