Biggest News Of The Year Breaks In Crossover, Can It Be True? A Giant Toppled?

How many of those RAV4 sales were retail vs fleet?

Sales are sales and fleet makes money too.

Not the point

100% the point. You act like some sales shouldn't count because they are fleet, but that's only in your little microcosm that knows nothing of the business. Here's the reality... Fleet sales are not at a loss and sometimes are actually better for the bottom line than retail.

No, that's YOUR point. MY point is that the RAV4 in its current iteration has been around since 2013. It had an update/facelift in early 2016. So, when any vehicle, this late in its life cycle experiences a 20% YOY increase, doesn't that just BEG a question of how? Well, to you, clearly not. To me, well, yes it does. With GM's fleet sales going down to around 10% in 2017 from previous years being at closer to 20%, and previous reports were that FCA was decreasing their fleet sales as well, then companies like Toyota and Nissan would be positioned to benefit.

Wasn't trying to exclude anything. Trying to understand the trend.

Next time I'll spell it out for your narrow little mind.

And, btw, look at the sales numbers for the Rogue, up 25% from last year after just a facelift on a 4-year-old model. Rogue is also the 2nd highest seller in the segment, the CR-V is 3rd.

@cidflekken (1) You're not in the industry so you have no idea how anything works, but you're the type of person who feels duty bound to spew an opinion and purport it to be truth. We've seen you do that repeatedly. (2) The context of this post is SALES supremacy. (3) Sales are sales PERIOD.

@joneshamilton Like @cidflekken, you're a no nothing. Let's assume fleet sales kill resale value. So are you saying that all the free leases that are essentially fleet sales themselves AREN'T destroying resale value? The point is that resale value from ALL sales methods is in the toilet, so at this point sales are sales. The cheap leases and easy financing have put a glut of used cars on the market and transaction prices have plummeted, so if you're buying a car for its resale value, you're an idiot.

and yes...I meant "no nothing"

LOL. Darringer, you're just so special. So, so special.

What makes me laugh, Darringer is you're still parrotting about "sales are sales". That wasn't my point. It's too bad that you haven't stopped hyperventilating long enough in your desperate need to prove yourself right (which is incredibly rare for someone "in the industry") that you can't even see what the true point of my question was. That's okay. And, as I stated already, that's what makes you quite special. I just want to pet your head.

The RAV styling being a home run could be the difference maker, but I would not discount price and reliability.

by ugly Nissan!

Its amazing how different markets are and same car appeals so differently to different people. In Middle East market Rav4 is a sales failure and so is the Lexus RX. Whereas Land cruiser variants(200,Prado,pickup) and Lexus LX are everywhere. In US, LC and LX probably are least popular Toyota, Lexus models.

Fortifying only the left side was what virtually ALL manufacturers did. Toyota is hardly unique. There is also some logic to fortifying only the driver's side given that overwhelmingly the number of front, offset crashes are on the driver's side.

Clearly, you're too unintelligent to understand that all of the cut-rate financing has decimated virtually every mainstream brand to the point that fleet sales are no longer the anathema they once were. But--again--you who have no experience with the business know better.

Recent rental at Hertz found it loaded mostly with slow selling models from Nissan, Chrysler and Ford. Only likely Toyota's are out going models of Camry and Corolla.

A couple other factors, the RAV4 topped the CRV by CR review, and CRV still does not yet make safety systems standard.