President Trump Says There's TOO Many German Cars In The US — Do YOU Agree?

#45 says a lot of stuff about a lot of things. Much of it is nonsense, and harmful to America's people.

Take the BMW US Manufacturing Plant, located in Spartanburg, South Carolina. Previous administrations worked out a relationship with BMW, Germany, to build the plant here, and staff it with Americans.

The Spartanburg plant employs around 10,000 people, almost all of them Americans. It depends on 235 other U.S. suppliers and 40 South Carolina suppliers to keep running. Yet more jobs, for more Americans.

This plant is famous for a number of reasons, just two of which are:

(1) Proving that American labor, and American suppliers and supply chain can produce world-class, luxury automobiles. Call these "German" cars, but they're made by American hands. I'm proud of that!

(2) This plant is famous for "all the world's" production of certain BMW models. It built every Z3 ever made, including the one's shipped back to Germany. It's doing this with other BMW models.


BMW invested over $8B (to date) into this operation. I'd say America is doing nicely in this arrangement. The Europeans are buying American-built BMWs :-) Americans are driving "fine German cars," built by their neighbors in South Carolina :-)

Mind you, there are people who will piss on anything good, and conjure up stories and conspiracy theories, and make up excuses to wrap a dark cloud around a silver lining. That's just the way some folks roll. That includes folks who look at a BMW Z3 or an X5 -- built by Americans in Spartanburg, supplied by 235 US supplies -- and complain that this is a problem because there are "too many German cars" in America.

Spartanburg is just one of many examples of things working beautifully when America strikes up friendly relationships with our allies, and when Americans work together with non-Americans to help build a healthy and prosperous America. Some folks will spin it another way, to serve their own agenda. Be mindful of that.

I think there are too many Korean junk box cars on the road. But no one is listening. I hope there will never be a time when too many Chinese rice boxes crowd our roads.

The number of German cars in the US is directly due to consumer choice. Americans want them and are buying them and paying top dollar to get them. Does Trump even know where these cars are built? Half of the Mercedes sold in this country are assembled in Alabama. All BMW mid- and full-size SUVs are made in the US. The BMW plant in South Carolina is BMW's largest plant and the largest US exporter of vehicles. I don't think Trump gives a whit about the car market. He's just looking for a way to hit Germany and further erode the western alliance. He throws tariffs on our closest trading partners, insults our Canadian neighbors, and swoons over Putin.

Stop confusing Trump with details and information.

LMAO GOOD ONE! Anyone who actually listens to media besides Faux knows he doesn't read anything, hell he didn't even prepare for the NK Summit. Mueller will take him down soon enough and the rest of the criminal goons he has brought into the government.

By the way this has NOTHING to do with German cars, not even an iota. This is about Germany NOT paying their fair share to support NATO. Their NATO delinquency has been noted and documented, but the focus shifts to where they can be hurt.

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The art of the deal tactic explained for idiots who cannot think:

When you hold the upper hand in the negotiation and you want a dozen of something, you begin negotiation by saying you want 5 dozen (a misdirection). [German cars are the misdirection.]

You wait for the outrage, the flailing, the feigned indignation, and the drama and realize that you are witnessing the weakness of your opponent. [Merkel pretends to be strong, but at her core, she weak-minded.]

They say even a dozen is impossible, but that is them unconsciously signaling their bottom line.

You repeat your demand for 5 dozen. You stand firm and exert pressure on them.

To placate you they offer you two dozen.

You win.

Ha ha ha. Trump is a con man. Art of the steal more like it. His grand skills were on display overnight where he turned Kim Jong Un into a rockstar in a sea of American and NK flags, gave into Kim's demands to see defense exercises with SK cancelled, and framed denuclearization as an effort to make the peninsula nuclear free which is an NK talking point. He gave Kim everything he needed out of this meeting and Trump got nothing except a chance to play act on TV.

What Trump describes as his "art of the deal" is simply a polished form of street hustle that happens at every corner of the world. Nothing new coming from a con man like Trump. I find this "art" being used in far more complicated form at the flea markets in Tijuana Mexico, China and Southeast Asia - at least there both sides of the deals come away happy, and the transactions are carried out in far more civil manner.

Nobel Prize

Trump continues to show the world he is an unstable moron who will say or text anything that comes across his mind. He has offended leaders the world over and is now a concern for his own congressional and Senate members of the GOP. Trump isn't smart enough to be playing 3 layer chess as some report. If the US does not want to fund the NATO, don't. Scale it back. But making comments like there are too many German cars in the USA is just stupid and hurts American workers and suppliers. #45 ... One term and one term only.

What would BMW service departments do??? Over-engineered oil-leaking crapboxes that they are.

^This is the sum-total of Trumpism. It's all about how he makes them feel. Policy and facts don't play into it. The whole North American economy can crumble around their ears as long as the man that hates the same people they do keeps tweeting his trash talk.

@coch and instantaneously you got a triggered response from a Libtard.

@coch Because you have to resort to name calling you are at or lower than Trump and his many followers. Keep thinking America is winning as it further grows as the world's largest debtor nation and where racism is still very much alive and well. And feel free to believe that somehow Trump is respected as a leader and a President outside the grounds of the White House. It is a dream world that you are living in and the very same one Trump lives in when he calls the leader of North Korea honourable and that they have an "excellent" relationship after just a 1-hour chat through translators. It is also the same brilliance shown when he dotes on Putin at every chance he gets. And today he just promised to back away from the Korean peninsula and suggest US troops should leave Asia without checking with the US military or with the US allies in the region. Fantastic. 2.5 years to go. Trump's followers can where their MAGA hats as long as they can. They will go back to their tin hats after the next election.

classless like Trump

What would BMW service departments do??? Over-engineered oil-leaking crapboxes that they are.
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Let me guess - you drive an Oldsmobile?

Kia

@coch CarlosSanJose likes to sneer at people so obviously Oldsmobile drivers--in his world are lesser than. Now let's realize that Oldsmobile has been defunct for a LONG time. Thus, Oldsmobile drivers are likely to be of lower socio-economic standing, so SanJoseAsshatter is being classist.

I think that we need to go back to the issue at hand.

And that is - are there too many GERMAN vehicles in the USA.

Based on prices - it appears that there is NOT a glut of German vehicles in the USA - it there were too many - the cars would drop in price. From that we can determine that the German Manufacturers have produced desirable product - that in many cases have no American Equivalents. AS a result - they actually deserve their position in the industry. (THey are not - as some other countries have - simply glutting the market with cars.)

Now - if you want to wave the Flag - yes - it is interesting that we are one of the few countries that fails to support their domestic car industry. France certainly does - as does Germany - and Korea - and Japan - even if the cars are not truly equivalent. There was a time when most workers would not have even thought of buying a foreign car.

However - the real problem is not with German car companies - it is with the American Car Companies. IF GM and FORD(FCA is not an American Company) produced highly desirable cars - that were functionally equivalent to their German counterparts - and had similar desirability - - Less German cars would be sold.

Fact is - GM and FORD do that in the Small Truck area - where their offerings dominate the sales and have for generations. EVEN when foreign manufacturers came into the market - they failed to really make a dent in the domestic sales. WHY - because for domestic Trucks- GM and FORD actually produce high quality product that fulfills that needs of the consumer - to the point that they can wave the flag and Buy American. EVEN FCA - not truly American - manages with RAM and JEEP - to almost do the same thing - because they started as an American Company.

FORD - meanwhile - attempted to FORCE european design cars on the American Market - that never worked in the past - and did not work now.Since FORD is so far behind in real American car production - they have all but given up trying to compete. At least GM is trying - especially in its Cadillac division - to return to its former American Car glory. The real problem is - making WORLDWIDE platforms still limits your ability to address homegrown issues.

And THAT is why a very AMERICAN idea - the SUV/Crossover is doing so well. Again - they provide the space and functionality that current cars no longer do. But - the foreign Manufacturers still dominate that area as well.

As a BMW owner 5x over and for 20+ years now, I'm curious when a guy craps all over the brand and I want to know what he drives instead.

Is guessing Oldsmobile considered offensive? How about Chevy? Is that OK? For a bunch of tough typers, you guys are about as sensitive as they come.

No you're just a hateful bigot, but thank you for making so easy to prove.

If we said to YOU that you probably actually really drive a YUGO - YOU would object in the same manner. If you want to know what a guy drives - ask them - most here will actually tell you. In fact - most have repeatedly talked about their own choices - and preferences. My own preference for V-12 powered cars came from actually owning several for instance.

THe problem with Oldsmobile or Yugo -it that it had been a great deal of time since those cars were sold NEW - and if fact they barely sell used anymore. For many - it implies that you cannot afford a new car - or even a reasonable used one - for others - it is simply age discrimination.

I think you will find that when people here crap all over a car - it is likely that they have real reasons for doing so. Some may be bad personal experiences and may not even be indicative of the brand overall too. The problem here is that the replies often stray WELL BEYOND the question at hand into politics and other things - when in fact - we are actually discussing cars.

The Fact that you have had BMW cars for over 20 or 30 years MUST mean that they offer something to you that you are willing to pay BMW prices to get. If they did not - an intelligent individual like you would not spend the extra money. However - for every person who likes a particular car - there are still those who are looking for something YOU are not - and cannot find it in the cars you prefer. I am also willing to get that - if say Cadillac Offered a vehicle that supplied your wish list as well as the BMW - you would at least consider it.

Correction: 30+ years.

Carlos - let me give real examples of poor design choices

For instance - BMW - is well known for Water Pump Failure- and their switch to Plastic parts only made things worse. The difference in weight between a cast aluminum Impeller and a Plastic one is probably a couple of ounces -and yes the plastic is cheaper to produce - but this is not supposed to be a cheap car. The use of Recycled plastic expansion tanks is another one. The Electric Water Pump - supposed to be a solution - actually fails earlier.THe use of Recycled Plastic for radiator hose ends - and radiator ends themselves also do not fulfill my image for the brand.

However - I must admit that I never really considered BMW for another reason. When I bought performance cars - years ago - BMW offered some good compact sports sedans - their larger cars did not fill the bill. Being Larger and Taller than Aaron Judge - an early 3 series Bmw required a shoe horn to get me in. EVen today - their Larger BMW cars simply never did compete with a Mercedes. So while a BMW may supply what YOU want in a car - it does not come close with me.

I am beginning to think MDarranged is really Drumpf again pretending to be someone else. What you describe as negotiating may be how it is done in used car sales or second hand clothing, but this is not how high level negotiating is done. far from it. You show your ignorance by even saying something like this.

Actually - once you get past the alt-right bluster - Matt actually is well versed on the cars we tend to discuss here - and rarely posts something that is wrong - when talking about the cars. WE have our political differences - and others - but I respect most of the things Matt says when discussing cars. I have learned to ignore the rest of the posts from most everyone when they stray off topic. ANd I have learned that MATT must have extensive experience in the industry to understand so many different aspects of it.

And for a person who never worked at a manager level of a car dealership - you would be surprised at just how convoluted sales can be - especially when you have a quota of small cars to sell in order to get a premium larger model. By the way - there really is NO difference between selling new and used cars - and the Buyers set the tone - and you have to respond to that.

The Nobel committee has already announced that it is NOT going to award a Peace Prize this year - so Trump was NEVER in it to begin with. AS far as what the result was - I did not see any change in how many AMerican cars are imported into North Korea - about the only thing we should consider here.

Thanks TomM

MDarringer, Trump was out negotiated by Kim Jong Un. The head of a tiny, broke, hermit country got a photo-op with the POTUS with US and North Korean flags side-by-side as though equal, promised to stop joint military exercises with South Korea (without informing our military) and Kim said he will work on reducing his arsenal....some day. This was a horrible negotiation. So um, no Nobel Price for Drumpf.

You were there and have the secret details?

So according to the original article:

“Vehicles shipped from Europe to the United States face a low 2.5% tariff. Meanwhile, cars built in America face a 10% tariff when they're exported to the European Union.”

Make it 10% both ways sounds fair to me.

Make it 10% both ways sounds fair to me.
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If the end result of Trump's approach is to equalize duties in both directions for all products I will applaud it.

The Europeans have already offered to lower auto tariffs. Trump gave them the cold shoulder. Europe and Japan just signed agreements that eliminate all auto tariffs between them. The TPP agreement that Trump killed would have eliminated tariffs for auto imports among the member countries which included both the US and Japan. The US currently has a 25% tariff on light trucks. That would have fallen. The TPP also even addressed Canadian dairy tariffs, but Trump pulled out of that. He likes to talk about trade, but the actual progress in eliminating tariffs occurred under his predecessors.

I doubt for a minute carlos can even afford a bicycle.
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Would this be an example of "sneer(ing) at people of lesser economic status and thus being classist"? Asking for a friend.

rlbdcky, I agree with everything you said except that Trump did not kill the TPP, he pulled the US out of it. The rest of the countries moved on without us greatly strengthening China's position. Now Drumpf wants back in and they all say it is too late.

Yes, Truthy, I didn't mean he killed it completely. He killed the TPP for the US. Our friends and allies including Canada, Japan, and Australia are still in. It's the only trade organization that is a counterweight to China in the Pacific region. Trump threw US leverage away. Recently he talked of getting back in as if that would easy. Of course like much of Trump's brain farts, that'll never come up again.

MDarranged, Drumpf surprised and alarmed our Asian allies and the US military by not only stopping our military exercises but also referring to them using Kim's term, 'war games." What did he get in return for this substantial concession? A friendship bracelet? You do not publicly give away the ranch without some tangible return. No, I was not there, but no idiot - well the one in the Wh now = would negotiate this. SAD.

"Oh Marshall dear, can't see I'm winning..."
Google it

MDarranged, you are so consistently clueless. Wow, song lyrics, how so emo of you.
Where are the facts? The facts are Fat-Boy-Small-Hands (Trump to the uneducated) gave away military exercises and a coveted meeting with the POTUS for nothing in return. Your only comment there was "were you there?" No, but I can read. And you obviously trust con men who say "it looks bad, but trust me." Most global leaders call this meeting a disaster, much like the G-7 meeting. Drumpf is batting 1.000.

It's so easy to trigger you and you take the bait every single time. Continue suffocating on your own hatred; you can't see that I'm winning.

You sound like Drumpf. There is no empirical data to suggest either of you are winning anything, but if you keep saying it perhaps you will believe it.
SAD.

You're triggered again and it was so easy to do. Let your hatred consume you, but that's all it is because there is no virtue in anything you say. Your reaction affects me in no way, except that it makes me laugh. Can't you see that I'm winning?

What are you winning? What is Drumpf winning? You never have any facts, just emotion.
You are a hollow shell that is easily influenced by a windbag like Drumpf.

If you look at how histrionic every one of your posts is and given that you take the bait when common sense should tell you not to say anything, you come off looking foolish. So that's a win. I also get a chuckle from how big the payoff is for exceedingly little effort on my part. So, that's a win. Your Alt-Left anger and hatred is focused on an ad hominem strategy--which is what people do when they know they can't prevail. So that's a win.

You're lying like a typical Liberal does to bully and smear. You misrepresented what I said when you claimed I cannot name any Trump accomplishments because what I said was: "There is no point in discussing it with you because your thesis is that the President has achieved nothing, so how would it be logical to have a conversation about his accomplishments? With you, it would be pointless."

Sane people can name a very nice list.

Then because you are so hysterical and histrionic you attempt to refute what you think my list is which just makes you look foolish and psychotic.

Get help.

Oh by the way, I'm still winning Marshall.

MDarranged, unless you state something that Drumpf has accomplished, I will keep pushing you.

There is no point in discussing it with you because your thesis is that the President has achieved nothing, so how would it be logical to have a conversation about his accomplishments? With you, it would be pointless.

You keep saying he has accomplishments, yet cannot name any. SAD.

The economy, it has been on an upward trajectory since 2011. Looking at economic statistics, the trends are unchanged since before he took office. They are likely to start trending down with the looming trade war.
Foreign affairs, Drumpf has angered most of our allies since taking office and handed Asia over to China with the withdrawal from TPP. Our stature in the world is declining. he also refuses to criticize Russia - for anything?
I cannot wait for the impeachment. Great television.

Bottomline - STFU until you have anything substantial to add.

Accomplishments? Like his Apprentice - North Korea episode that just aired? Where an oblivious dotard salutes enemy generals, pitches condos on the beach to communists, and turns a 26-year old dictator into a rockstar? Maybe it's his kiddie concentration camp he built in Texas. Those toddlers will think twice about entering the US won't they! How about the string of trade agreement successes with our allies? Er... Well, how about the deficit? It hit a record in May. $167 billion. What an accomplishment! All due to that big tax cut and subsequent falling tax revenues and higher spending. Republicans don't have to worry though, they only let the deficit hawks out of their pods when Democrats are in power. And I'm sure the accomplishments will just continue to pile up. Into piles and piles of accomplishments.

So Darringer, according to you. Every thing that comes out of Trumps mouth is the "Art Of The Deal". The Summit in Singapore was all about Trump building hotels on North Korean beaches in return for NK denuclearizing. All the tariffs now in place are because Europe and Canada have not made the good deal with the US. Same for China. So his statements about German cars is just a ploy so Germany will be forced to accept inferior US made products. Please correct me if I am wrong here. Oh one more thing. Its the democrats fault that little children and babies are separated from their mothers at the border. Since they won't vote for what Trump wants he is unable to instruct Jeff Sessions by E/O to stop the practice of separating families at the border. Correct.

You don't wish to have a discussion.
You wish to demonstrate your intolerance and disrespect for the President.
You wish to parrot CNN talking points.
You purport every issue to be simple when they are complex.
You seek to bully people by luring them into a "tag-you're it" gunfight by triggering them.
Find someone else to tag.

I embrace president's many 'visions', but he has no right to tell me I cannot buy what I like, especially if it's a better product.
His wife better starts carrying Coach or Kate Spade bags... Wait, aren't those American brands made in China?

Why would anyone carry a bag designed by a drama queen who killed herself and mind-raped her daughter in the process by implying that the child's father cause her to commit suicide?

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