Will Trump's Harsh Negotiation Ploys Fail? Or Will They ALL Cave In The End?

This is bait to entice political arguments that will devolve in to name-calling, unsupported assertions, and general lack of good manners and reasoned discussion.

While tangentially related to cars, and capable of being a relevant topic, historically these prompts have caused more damage than enlightended conversation.

So right. Especially on this site.

Let's look at actual results. Ford and Toyota are moving production/adding plants in Mexico. BMW has decided to make more X-Models in China vs making more of them in the USA. Telsa deciding to build a plant in China to build its BEV offerings there. GM is going to be making the new Blazer in Mexico and not in the USA. Lowering a tariff on cars will not allow more US vehicles to be sold in China or Germany. Cars tailored to the tastes of buyers in these foreign markets will. Trump's auto policy is a net loss of US jobs and no greater sales in foreign markets. #notwinning.

Amen. I'm late to the party, but I see NewQ hit the nail on the head.

To my knowledge - Trump has yet to lend his name to any car company for profit .
I do not see how this item is therefore relevant. WE cannot discuss the relative performance or handling of that car compared to others - the purpose of this site.

Move on

President Trump did not start this trade war. The other countries, such as Germany and China, did years, if not decades, ago, when they put tariffs of American goods. The President is the first one in decades to call out the unfairness and recognize that as the larger consumer, we hold the better cards for negotiation. He is using this tactic to pressure other countries to reduce their tarriffs on American goods, as he knows this will hurt their exports, and ultimately, their economy more if they do not comply.

-jeffgall

Well stated and refreshing to see someone here see Trump for what he really is -Americas Greatest Cheerleader and how he has gone to bat for Murica to get them a better deal. Of course according to all the leftish idiots here he is suppose to bow down, bend over and take it up the ass all with a big smile like previous admins did...

The US is a big enough market that they CAN dictate terms or don't sell there without equalization tariffs to level the playing field. China has "most favored nation" status which means 2% import duty on most items. How much do they tax US goods -25%? How is that fair? It is not and worse yet they buy very little from the US -Ditto Germany and many other "Free Loading" nations that are bitching and crying foul and the media and sheeple lacking IQ can only say "Mean Trump" blah, blah, blah.

The only fair trade is with Canada and even then Trump is beating up the Groper feminist joke of a PM -Mohammed Trudeau for a gooderest deal. This is what a good POTUS does. Get used to it and winning for a change. The world is not mad -they are envious of America and with envy comes hate -the weapon of choice of the LEFT.

When you give someone something free for a long time it becomes an entitlement to him and his "right".
When you finally come to your senses and try to reduce the "free stuff" or God forbid stop giving, you become a greedy monster, racist, ahole or whatever name the person, community or country involved can come up with.
Applies to international politics, our domestic welfare system or our own personal family relationships.

Indeed. It's also like breaking an addict.

Trump is failing already. The TPP reigned in China on IP and was in the US favor while we were still the no 1 trading partner for Asia. He pulled out impulsively with no knowledge of the details.. Sad.
No the EU and China are signing trade agreements. The impact of all of this impulsive behavior will hurt the US long after he is impeached. Only reality show fans like that he is "shaking things up."
The NATO allies were already increasing their defense as negotiated by Obama, yet DumbDonnie claimed credit for it already this morning.(that is right colecole, DD lied this morning, not the media).
Now he is going to meet Putin for his performance review. Putin has long sought to drive a wedge between the US and EU and DD is doing it for him.

Odd, how he rips Germany, a long time ally and democracy whose troops fought along side us in Afghanistan, yet will only praise Putin. What does Putin have on him?

He got played by North Korea and is now headed

You must be shooting heroin. The TPP cash raped us.

@MD - Funny, but Trump now wants the USA back into the TPP as of this April. Of course on its terms. This is how the USA always has done business or has tried to. You don't want to be shut out of an 11 nation trade pact.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-tpp-us-join-trans-pacific-partnership-trade-deal-china-trade-war-a8302491.html

He is not talking about TPP as it was.

see how a moron like Querty derails things ? These questions do nothing for this site. Keep politics off this site

Could an ignorant psychotic narcissist be the cause of everything going to hell?
Sure, but most Americans don't give a sheit - just like the Germans and Italians of the 1930's.

You're right. An ignorant psychotic narcissist was the cause of everything going to hell, but the racial-token President's regime is over and true patriots are making America great again. You're also right the the Alt-Left are 100% the same as the Nazis with their use of terror in the streets, wanting to disarm law-abiding citizens, curtailing the freedom of speech, and following their goddess Maxine Waters.

— llaroo

Look I know grade 4 was long and hard on you all 3 times but you persevered but you really need to learn to read and spell. It's not "quarty" but rather "qwerty" and if that is too much of a big scary word for you to remember just go across the top of your keyboard and ta da -you got it chump!

Trump does want back in the TPP, but now China is diluting the IP portion and the rest of the 11 nations have told DumbDonnie to get lost. This will hurt American businesses and consumers.
There is a reason past administrations moved carefully and with lots of input from subject matter experts. What the world's larges economy and military does has significant impact. But, we cannot act alone. History has shown working together is in our best interest. Look at the success of the cooperation has benefited the economies, security and influence of the NATO countries and our allies. Putin's annexation of Crimea - which DD endorses - is the first territory grab in Europe since WW2. That makes DD the modern equivalent Nevelle Chamberlain.

MD, explain your reasoning - with facts to support your thesis - that the TPP "cash raped" us. try to do so with civil phrases, not Trump-speak.

You are aware the the annexation of Crimea took place under Obama, not Trump.

Impulsiveness may work okay if you inherit daddy's business - although two bankruptcies indicate not - but not leading a large, complex economy with complex international relationships. Face it, DD is in over his head.

See what I mean?

Agent001, you mention "time and again he has proven his critics wrong." I cannot think of a time when he proved his critics wrong. He blew the North Korea meeting. They have reneged on everything DD said was fixed. The tariffs will hurt the US economy for years. He said the NATO ministers agreed to increase defense to 4.0 percent. They have all said firmly this is not true. (the US spends about 3.5 of GDP on defense).
So my question to you, when has he proven his critics wrong??

When has he proven his critics wrong? Well, I don't have hours to make a list but lets end this with just one. If I recall one or two critics said this and I think they were proven wrong. "He'll never be the President of the United States."

001

Truthy is #unhinged and maybe we need to do a 5150 on him.

We get it 001. That's all you got.

I'm not sticking up for him one way or the other. That was not the purpose of the article. The purpose was to ask opinions of it his strategy/tactics would work or fail. And Truthy, you may have to go back and get some remedial reading lessons...You're question that you asked me was "So my question to you, when has he proven his critics wrong??" I answered with just one example of how he proved his critics wrong. You never asked me what his successes have been.

001

The man knows how to negotiate from strength and it scares the hell out of dems and country heads. They can't tame him so they blame him. A man for the times who will go down as the most transitional president in history.

He does not know how to negotiate at all. Once again, on the world stage it is not a zero sum game. DD runsit like daddy's company.
And Agent 001, he only became president due to help from our geopolitical foe who he is indebted to.
You still did not answer my question. What success has he had as president?
North Korea - no. Economy - no. International relations - no.
Endorsing a child molester for office - that did not wok out either.

Failure, after failure, after failure. Sad.

MDaranged - what have I said that is incorrect? Please back up your claim with data and not childish name calling, if you can.

Economy- no? You may want to come out of the basement sometime and look around.

— Truthy

Q -What were Hussiens great accomplishments?
A -Nothing because Trump erased all those shit stains from the books.

If Trump were another racial token or a hateful woman, the Alt-Left would be dancing for joy at all his accomplishments. Because he is white and Republican, he could cure AIDS and they'd bitch about it.

"All his accomplishments?"

You mean his boasting about grabbing women by their genitals?

Saying that America has "a new friend" in the leader of North Korea - one of the most vicious and dangerous leaders of the modern era - while simultaneously calling the leaders of Canada and Germany "liars and backstabbers?"

Calling a true American patriot - John McCain - a "false hero, because he got caught?"

Shame on our nation for choosing someone like this to represent America to the world. Doesn't matter that he is doing what many feel was necessary (il.e., closing borders; pulling the nation out of prior treaties, etc.) It is all coming at a HUGE COST.

Our nation has never been more disrespected - and divided - in it's history. The Trump era has set us back decades. And it will take decades to recover (if ever).

Sure, go ahead blame the 'left-wing liberal media' and anyone who doesn't agree with him for everything that you feel is wrong with the country. It's working for you.

Trump's tariffs are already backfiring. Soy beans in the US hit their lowest prices in 10 years while Russian and Brazilian sales to China are way up. Harley is shifting production for EU bound bikes out of the US. BMW announced Monday it's moving some SUV production from SC to avoid tariffs. The price of steel and aluminum is up to record prices and is already pinching many US-based manufacturers that are trying to compete with countries that aren't shooting themselves in the feet with taxes on their manufacturers. The US has the world's third largest economy after the China and the EU. Picking a fight with both of them at the same time is not a great strategy.

Actually they aren't. But what's the point of providing proof to the pounce-and-shout, Alt-Left brigade? #Unhinged #WalkAway

I don't think so. If you average out by USD the EU tariffs amount to about 3%, Canada about 3.1% and the US is at 2.4%. I doubt there is a lot of give there between US and Europe. In most ways it is a pretty level playing field. We have higher tariffs on some items and lower on others just as Erope and Canada do. One of the main things the US really wants is to get GMOs and hormone+ injected meats to be sold in Europe without any labeling which is either required there or not allowed to be sold there at all.

On the other hand if Trump had been smart he would have got Europe, Canada and other countries to jump in with him on China. Europe, Canada and US largely have a level playing field. We respect IP, we have similar labor laws, environmental laws etc... real tariff differences are a fairly small % in $ amounts. China on the other hand does not respect IP, does not play on a similar playing field around labor, environment etc...and needs reigning in. I have to say I am glad he is pushing on China. Canada, Europe, Japan... stupid move. It seems more like a move intended to disrupt the transatlantic alliances, weaken Nato, disrupt the league of liberal democracies more than anything else. Putin will be pleased with his apprentice taking care of his honey do list. As 001 asks, will it work? I don't think so with Europe and Canada. It had a better chance with China if he had enlisted our allies, now not as much.

Trump inherited (there is that word again) an economy that was growing for 7 years, the second longest expansion in US history. he did nothing to turn around an economy that was already growing. Obama inherited the second worse economic downturn in US history and saved the US economy as well as the US auto industry. His budget spending had the slowest growth of any administration since WW2. He rebuilt relationships with our allies and convinced them to increase defense spending to 2.0% (DD of course claimed credit for this).

MDaranged, you took the fox news strategy (and KGB by no coincidence) of rather than answering my question and providing data to support your claim, you redirect and say what did President accomplishment. Considering he had a racist do nothing congress to deal with he accomplishment. I provided two examples above, however I have many more. The ACA was effective in moving the trend downward of healthcare costs. Many economists have warned this will become a significant burden on the US economy.
So if you cannot support your arguments and over the past month you have failed to do so, then do not bother to respond. Obviously this discussion is above your head.

You're still in your pounce and shout mode. #Unhinged #WalkAway

valhallakey, your statement is spot on. I have had to deal directly with China's disregard for IP and transparency. The TPP along with a united front with the allies you mentioned could have been effective. However, Trump's impulsive behavior is pushing the aforementioned allies and China together. China is rushing in to sign trade agreements with Europe and to control the language of the TPP. Sad.
Time magazine did an excellent piece on Trump's impulsive behavior. It betrays his ego and lack of intellectual discipline.

By the way, DD stands for Dumb Donnie (let's see those college transcripts) or Draft Dodger (ow, my bone spurs.)

WOW.
The comments and especially the votes here show that it is wrong for us Europeans to differentiate between the orange idiot and his voters/the american people.

When you are drowning, the ocean seems bigglier and greater than ever.
Good night america.

It's a cult, like he said he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and they would still be 100% behind him.

— Hauerg

Like your freedom? You can thank America and Canada for saving your asses in WW1 and 2 otherwise you would be speaking Russian or eating sauerkraut providing you were blonde hair/blue eyed otherwise you/your family would long be exterminated.

Funny how short Europeans memories are except for Holland whom are truly grateful and actually show gratitude. BTW with the exception of Thatcher and Churchill what great political leaders has Europa produced -please do tell? The EU needs America. America does not need the EU and time for the Eurotrash to start paying there fair share of NATO and quit freeloading off of the goodness of America.

This is idiocy: "...Canada for saving your asses in WW1 and 2..."

For the USA, Canada has always been like a bad case of VD.

One last thought on this whole hardball thing. China can play big time hardball with the US if they want. They own a crap load of our debt. That is like holding a giant bat. They can send our economy into a tail spin simply be starting to unload that debt onto the market... Our annual deficit is already soaring due to the tax cuts that were totally irresponsibly done. At some point inflation is going to kick in as we have to offer higher and higher interest rate on our debt to entice buyers. But of course this is all something you would have to think about, something most people don't really care to do. Too busy living to understand how important these things are to us and our posterity.

Let's see we have nothing from Europe and they get everything from us? I thought most of our current culture originated there, democracy originated there, things like the Magna Carta etc... that lead to the US originated there. The whole age of enlightenment which brought about an awakening in the arts, sciences and politics originated in Europe. The fact that people are upset that we contribute to NATO to help keep the peace in Europe neglects the fact that we need that peace as much as anyone. In addition the European countries contribute in ways many do not understand. Having served and been stationed in Europe and lived in Europe recently there were and are a lot of sacrifices made in terms of land, fields getting mowed down by tanks, giant traffic snarls every time we had a reforger exercise or even the numerous other exercises not associated with reforger. Of course now that Putin is our best bud and Europe is hated by a good portion of the Trump cult perhaps we are on the other side of all that now? We no longer on the side of liberal democracy, we are shifting to the side of autocracy and oligarch?

Matt

Pick up a Non-US history book for the facts. Canada had 10% of its population (1 million soldiers) fight in both wars under British command. We had the 4th largest Air Force and the 3rd largest Navy and it was the Canadians, Aussies and Kiwis that were sent in first line for the big battles like Normandy and many other suicide missions. Today our armed forces are a joke and chronically underfunded as we prefer to give our money to asshole terrorists with hurt feelings and billions to Africa so they can be more green. This is why my daughter chose to enlist in the US Army and I am glad she did.

You are (1) easily triggered, (2) you take the bait without thinking, (3) you get played and then you look stupid, and (4) are overcompensatory.

No, I just like facts/being factual regardless if it is good, bad or to my detriment and feel the need to correct people when wrong -part of my OCD

Facts have nothing to do with what you're up to.

OK Freud you win

Freud as well as Jung were discredited long ago.