PROOF The Economy Is Better Than It’s EVER Been. There Are ZERO Unreal Car Deals For Labor Day Weekend

When it comes to getting the best deals on cars we wrote the book on it. Literally. If you've never heard of our book it's called 'Death Of A Car Salesman, The Insiders Guide To The World's Finest Automobiles'. We published it in 2005. So we know how to get great deals.

And we've always said Labor Day Weekend is one of the best times to buy a car and get an amazing deal.

Two years ago, I leased a 2017 Ford Fusion SE for my son because the deal was SO insane, I couldn't say no. HOW insane you ask? How about $154.00 per month TAX INCLUDED for 36 months, 10,500 miles per year with ZERO out of pocket! You can't RENT a car that cheap!

So if you're like us, I was excited to see what crazy deals might be out there this year.

And in our search we found absolute proof the economy is the best it's EVER been.

What is the proof? THERE ISN'T EVEN ONE DEAL FROM ANYONE THAT RIVALS PREVIOUS LABOR DAY WEEKEND SALES.

ZERO. ZIP. NADA.

Business is just too damn good and people have a lot more money to spend so price isn't as important as it's been in past years.

The deal this year on that same Fusion SE is $209 per month PLUS tax and $2,709 out of pocket. Meh. That does NOTHING for us. SO much for they're giving away sedans...

Now we could have missed a deal out there so if we did post in the comments below.

Are you seeing any can't pass up deals near you?

Spies discuss...

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MDarringer - 9/1/2018 4:37:01 PM

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Two years ago, Ford was flooding lots with Fusions and now the supply isn't so massive, thus no fire sale.

That said, why not ask for a better deal that what is advertised nationally/regionally.

The offers are designed to let people believe they are the best deals.

Then spineless people who cannot negotiate because it stresses them out, come in and buy without thinking.

Do they question whether the dealer gets an after-sale bonus? Nope.

My advice: ask.

Agent001 - 9/1/2018 5:36:01 PM

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MD,

That's one of the things we cover in the book that even leases are negotiable.

But this year you can ask but you're not getting $17k off on a Tahoe or $15k on an F-150. Even the Fusion lease after negotiating only negates half the down.

Bottom line, economy is so good, there is no need.

As an American that makes me happy but as a car buyer it depresses me there's nothing to rip...at least that anyone would want.

001

MDarringer - 9/1/2018 7:42:44 PM

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No, I agree, you're not getting $17K on a Tahoe or $15K on an F150 but to state that the best a person can do on a Fusion is to reduce the down payment only by half is patently false. I get that you want to sell your little .pdf, but what you say is merely your conjecture about what can happen.

TomM - 9/1/2018 7:09:09 PM

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I think that most people have NO IDEA how to properly negotiate a price on a new car - and maybe someone should offer a course in it - considering the overall lifetime cost to the consumer. Also a course in basic real estate for housing should also be included as well.

However - while you may not see them - because newspapers are now no longer the top place for a dealer to advertise - there are still LOTS of cars out there at bargain basement prices - Your statement about ZERO deals may actually be more of an indication of the value of Newspaper advertising that it is of the Car market. For example - don't bother advertising jobs in local papers -it is useless.

MDarringer - 9/1/2018 7:46:16 PM

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Indeed and they foolishly believe that the invoice that they see on whatever handy-dandy app is the real invoice. When people started wanting to buy cars near invoice, the manufacturers built some of the dealer's profit into the invoice and charge the dealer that amount. So if you get the car for invoice, there is still profit there that comes to the dealer. Moreover, it's impossible for such apps to be on top of what unspoken incentive money the manufacturer entices the dealer with.

TomM - 9/2/2018 6:46:47 AM

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Most dealers will gladly sell a car at the "invoice" cost - because most of their money is in the rebates they get from the manufacturers for selling numbers of cars - or selling cars that are less desirable. Many of these "deals" are part of the dealer contract and are different for many dealers.

ANd then - the big money maker is financing - insurance - and after sale sales. Dealers have huge mark-ups on those extended warranties - if you are interested in one - first see if YOUR OWN insurance company offers them (some do) - or deal directly with a company that does to save money. Some dealers get 40-50% of the first year rate - from the insurance companies. Get your own insurance - and insurance companies will actually compete today in most markets. A lot of these $1000 dollar paint sealers from the dealer cost them less than $10 in product and maybe an hour to apply. When your car is new - buy your own - I like "GLARE" - but there are newer ones - but you will not spend hundreds for them for the most part.Financing is harder to figure out - because dealers often offer very low APRs but then do not discount as much to make up the money. If you can negotiate a cash deal (Dealers do not like them) you might save enough to make non-dealer financing worthwhile- BUT no all are capable enough to even figure out what is better much less do it.

MDarringer - 9/2/2018 12:23:06 PM

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#OffTopic

MDarringer - 9/1/2018 9:54:32 PM

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I happen to know a place *devious look* in SoCal that this weekend is doing $8k off MSRP on any Continental in stock. Anyone with a brain should know that other Lincoln dealers have behind the scenes money from Ford, but they will flock to that dealer for the "bargain".

Now do the harder thinking. Getting $8k off a Continental is easy. But publicizing $8K off creates the perception of a value. A couple of the Continentals have sold at MSRP -$8K because people *think* they got a bargain. One wanted another $4K on a Black Label. Sure thing, sign here.

A fifth wheel with some Continentals may have accidentally wound up on that lot from elsewhere *devious look*.

rockreid - 9/2/2018 7:04:04 AM

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The economy is the best it’s ever been? I guess if you ignore the fact that the Federal debt has exploded about 50% larger than the last year Obama was in office to pay for this “best economy.” I have an idea, let’s make all of our own personal economies great again and head on down to the local Benz dealer and drive home in a brand new S-Class. That new car loan won’t make a bit of difference to our bottom line because you know- that shiny new Mercedes now sitting in a typical worker’s driveway means we’re rich and great again. He’ll certainly look great as he drives up to a construction job paying $45,000 per year.

MDarringer - 9/2/2018 11:46:09 AM

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One doesn't justify another, but Obama doubled the all-time debt of every president before him in under four years and then very nearly doubled that by the time his token presidency ended.

rockreid - 9/2/2018 12:01:21 PM

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Obama has not been president for 2 years now. During the last 2 years, despite an already growing economy, the current leadership in the White House and Congress chose to pass tax cuts and expanded Federal spending to stimulate an already growing economy. This is terrible, horrible fiscal responsibility. Enough with the lame “Obama did it too” shuck and jive straw man fallacy. Weak, weak sauce. Two years. Exploded Federal Deficit right now this very second. - we are all going to pay for this “Great Economy” that the current regime is crowing about. This coming disastervis completely on the watch of Trump and the spineless “conservative” Republican Congress.

MDarringer - 9/2/2018 12:25:14 PM

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Reducing taxes is not irresponsible.

Truthy - 9/2/2018 1:26:45 PM

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Passing tax cuts is terribly irresponsible if it increases the deficit and does not move the economy.
Really stupid article. There are many metrics to measure economic performance. Labor day car specials is not in the top 10.
The economy is good,, but not the best it has ever been.

MDarringer - 9/2/2018 1:51:17 PM

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Oh I forgot. You want more and more taxation because you think that crushing taxation brings prosperity.

monster - 9/2/2018 1:56:00 PM

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The economy is so good that we will have record sales of cars. We will surpass the all time sales record this year.

Do you guys even think what you are writing? May be the manufacturers have adjusted their output to meet the demand so they don't have that surplus that they need to get rid of like previous years.

MDarringer - 9/2/2018 3:02:38 PM

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And in some cases the products are selling so well that the supply is tight.

mini22 - 9/2/2018 3:23:40 PM

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As for the national debt both parties complain about the other party in power not doing enough about the national debt. Then as soon as they get into power they vote to put policies in place that simply increase it again. Same with presidents. So in this one case I cannot really blame Trump as every president before him is guilty of the same thing. Perhaps Clinton was a little better at it. However he had a few other problems.

Truthy - 9/2/2018 3:33:31 PM

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Me, your reply is non-sensical. Your statement was that cutting taxes is not irresponsible. It depends on the situation and the dynamics of the economy at the time. The best time to cut taxes is at the end of a downturn to jump start the growth.
A bad time is at the end of a growth cycle. It does little to improve growth and will only explode the deficit when a downturn happens, which is soon. This has been the longest bull run in the last century and signs of a slowdown are coming.
Contrary to your Trumpian/Faux News, we do not have "crushing taxation" but among the lowest taxes in the industrialized world.
Read a book on economics.

MDarringer - 9/2/2018 3:46:23 PM

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Let me know if you ever complete a college degree.

Truthy - 9/2/2018 4:25:04 PM

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MBA dumbass, from an accredited, private, not a sham like Trump University.
Where did you get you GED from? Was it online?

Tell me genius, why do you think my telling you that cutting taxes is not always a great thing make you unhappy, insulted, maybe feeling inadequate and rightly so.
Why is cutting taxes always a good thing? Please explain explain it to me and cite your sources.

MDarringer - 9/2/2018 5:34:51 PM

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See how insufferably easy it was to provoke you and make you my pawn?

MDarringer - 9/2/2018 5:38:43 PM

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Cite sources? Why bother? You'd dismiss them instantly. You are incapable of looking at anything dispassionately, so why should anyone bother? Also, you knew you got punked because you resorted to an ad hominem attack. Are you going to start quoting Rothkopf like SteveLassiter does?

Truthy - 9/2/2018 4:25:56 PM

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It is the failure of our education, especially in red states, that allows people like Trump to get elected.

MDarringer - 9/2/2018 5:33:58 PM

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That's just your bigotry and intolerance talking. You hate people who do not agree with you despite their guarantee under the constitution. Your hubris is also showing because you assume you are superior to "those people". You could try to be more open minded and less of a raging hate monger.

Truthy - 9/2/2018 5:54:59 PM

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Once again, you get defensive, but offer no facts or informed data to support your comment that reducing taxes is "always" good. This is way over simplistic. people who like simple answers and "others" to blame are attracted to a con man like Trump who offers simple answers (the only kind he understands).
I am not raging, it is you I am afraid as you are frustrated that you cannot offer a convincing argument, so like DumbDonny, you lash out.

What I do not like at all, I do not hate, is imbecilic positions put forth with nothing, but rhetoric to back it up.

MDarringer - 9/2/2018 6:26:23 PM

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You're the defensive one if you think about it.

You're also the one lashing out and your histrionics prove it.

Again you resort to ad hominem attacks and incendiary diction.

You do hate. You hate those who disagree with you. Just be honest and own your bigotry.

I'm perfectly OK with honest bigots, but it's the dishonest bigots of the Alt-Left who say they aren't bigots as they spew hate speech against those they think are lesser and less educated.

You smeared people with an opinion different than yours by calling them uneducated.

You also implied that they were socioeconomically inferior to you.

Just own up to your hatred.

As for putting positions forth with nothing but rhetoric, that is what you do all the time with your "Dumb Donny" diatribes.

Seek not to be a hypocrite.

rockreid - 9/2/2018 6:35:54 PM

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Cutting taxes is utterly and totally irresponsible when it knowingly and directly leads to an Exploded Budget Deficit. This is exactly what was predicted and what has happened- all on Trump and Republican Congress control. What is really galling about it is the complete fiction that Republicans were supposed to be the "party of fiscal responsibility" now being exposed as the complete and total fake, phony, frauds. What they have been exposed for all to see is stuffing the pockets of the uber-wealthy as much as possible before the whole shell game collapses… and collapse it will just like 2007... only this time- no cutting taxes or bailouts will work. It is going to take much more extreme measures to prevent a total economic meltdown. Thee middle class guy is going to get bent over big time- thanks directly to a Con Man in the White House and fake, phony frauds in Congress.

Truthy - 9/2/2018 8:52:53 PM

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The fall of ancient Greece followed this pattern. Those in power abused their position to keep passing laws that favored the richest and most powerful. The economy collapsed and look at Greece now.
This is the fallacy of forever cutting taxes. Sure the top rate was much higher between 1930 and 1980, but few paid the higher rates and instead invested in museums, parks, infrastructure. Now the rich can keep their wealth resulting in the worst distribution of wealth since 1929 and the worst in the industrialized world.

MDarringer - 9/2/2018 9:43:21 PM

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I thought the fall of ancient Greece was that they were so busy having sex with each other that they forgot to govern things.

Truthy - 9/2/2018 9:01:12 PM

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MDarranged, I enjoy a good discussion, however I get bored by those offering opinions with no basis on facts. Think about DumbDonny's assertion that he had the biggest inauguration crowd in history when this was easily refuted.
Then you attack my education? On what basis? Yours is better - where is the evidence> You offer no facts to support your position.
Hey, here is an opinion for you; Obama is rated 9 - 12th on a list of 100 historians (professors, writers, experts in the field). Trump is rated the worst. it was a mix of republican, democrat and independent experts.
The worst. Sad.

MDarringer - 9/2/2018 9:42:10 PM

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And there you go again.

You routinely offer your opinions without any basis in facts, but then you attempt to use the "facts" angle to purport that the other person doesn't have facts behind him all while you hope and pray to your atheist source that no one catches on that you have no facts.

Question: If it's OK to call Trump Dumb Donnie and Trumpty Dumpty and Drumpt and so on, do you agree that it's equally Ok to call Obama a racial token and or a monkey?

Because I'm sure you wouldn't want to be a hypocrite by saying it's OK to slander a white President but absolutely not OK to slander a black President.

Enquiring minds...

valhallakey - 9/3/2018 12:41:24 AM

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No slandering. QQ, if cutting taxes is always good, at some point we end up with negative tax rates...woohoo!

MDarringer - 9/3/2018 2:39:05 PM

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@colecole I actually happen to like Truthy when he isn't being a political douchebag. When he focuses solely on cars he's someone I'd have over to the ranch for rides in TVRs with RMF plates and then martinis and tri tip overlooking the river.

Truthy - 9/3/2018 2:03:10 PM

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colecole, how I am a troll? Because how utterly baseless your arguments are?
No it is not okay to call Obama a racial name as no one calls DD a racial name.
However, DD does name calling frequently, which a statesman would never. DD behaves as a thug because he is nothing more than a thug, The company he keeps are usually mafia types from NY. His lawyers have represented mafia in court. See WJS article about the company he keeps. (there is a source for you).
Calling Trump "dumb" is both a fact and not a racial slur. So, your argument makes no sense - typically.

I have provided many facts, it is you Trumpeteers who never have anything beyond rhetoric. he knows this and exploits it to the detriment of the US.

Several polls were released last week indicating he has the lowest ratings of any president in modern history. If DD does not like this he calls it fake news. How f***ing insecure is he? Blue Wave November!

MDarringer - 9/3/2018 2:44:48 PM

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@Truthy So, to be clear using hate speech to describe a President in racial terms is bad, but using hate speech to slander a President who is white is perfectly OK.

You have provided no facts. You make vague references that you purport are facts, but there are no facts in anything you say.

Saying "Several polls were..." is not using facts. Have you vetted the sources to make sure they are unbiased? of course not. As long as it supports the hate-speech narrative of your Alt-Left Klan, you crown fake news as fact.

I will so laugh if the Lefties get bitch slapped again in November as they did in 2016.

MDarringer - 9/3/2018 3:23:08 PM

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All things considered this has been a rather lucrative weekend for sales. Yesterday and Saturday were exceptionally strong for our stores.

Truthy - 9/4/2018 1:16:05 PM

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it seems Trump and his loyal civics class flunkees always claim bias when anybody says anything but praise for this horrible president. Yes, criticizing Trump for his infantile behavior is quite different than for his race.
Racism - prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. (Websters dictionary.

By STEPHANIE MURRAY 08/31/2018 08:41 AM EDT
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"Sixty percent of those polled in a new survey disapprove of President Donald Trump's job performance, a new high for the president in polling conducted by The Washington Post and ABC News. Trump's approval rating, according to the poll, was 36 percent." from Politico, a conservative news site. By the way, this is the biggest gap between approval and disapproval in the poll's history.
Before you predictably scream this poll is biased you have to explain what is wrong with the methodology. More polls coming out this week will also show horrible for DD and for republicans in the upcoming midterms.