When You Get Down To The Nuts And Bolts, The New Supra You Want Is Basically A BMW In Toyota Clothes

Details on the new Toyota Supra have been trickling out seemingly forever, to the point where a leaked parts catalog pretty much shows off the whole car. But that parts catalog tells us a lot about the car’s internals, including a ton of new details about its BMW engine.

As everyone knows by now, the Supra shares a platform and motor with the new BMW Z4, and while engineers from Toyota and BMW have said they didn’t talk to each other much in later stages of development, the catalog reveals the Supra is still very much a BMW parts bin car.
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PUGPROUD - 10/8/2018 12:01:35 PM

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And that's a bad thing, why?

Tiberius1701A - 10/8/2018 4:49:20 PM

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@PUGPROUD Because BMWs are not reliable and leak like sieves.

valhallakey - 10/9/2018 12:18:30 AM

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Hmmm all mine were stone cold reliable and none leaked...

scenicbyway12 - 10/8/2018 12:15:44 PM

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I very curious to see how the reviews come in, Toyota says the split development from BMW four years ago.

TomM - 10/8/2018 12:16:26 PM

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And they are going to want BMW high tier money for a Mass Market Entry Level brand -

Yes - they will have initial sales - but that will die off quickly - especially since the one trait that TOYOTA brings to the table ie - their reliability - does not extend to the BMW underneath the skin.

dlin - 10/8/2018 1:12:03 PM

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Mechanically that's fine. With different suspension tuning you can get quite different car out of the same platform. I do wonder if they share the same ECU mapping or not though.

The real problem for me is that Supra won't look as sharp as the concept car shown in the pic... Blame it on shared DESIGN development with BMW!

dlin - 10/8/2018 1:27:57 PM

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Fundamentally I don't think it deserves Supra name if not with over 450 hp. Call it Excenlente or something else

TomM - 10/8/2018 5:52:40 PM

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No Supra ever came with game changing power like that
For most of its time - the Supra was a Luxury version of the Celica

dlin - 10/8/2018 11:37:13 PM

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Let's go back 20 years to previous generation of Supra... a 1998 BMW M3 had 240hp back then, while 1998 US spec Supra had 320hp. So at 2019 it does not deserve 450hp with base F30 M3 comes in at 425hp? Do you know gas price nowadays is almost quad-fold from that of 1998? :)

Also Celica runs on FWD platform, while Supra is RWD-based. You may upgrade a Camry to Avalon or ES, but you cannot convert it to GS. Right?

MDarringer - 10/8/2018 6:26:53 PM

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This isn't a Supra. It's a BMW with TVR Sagaris ripoff styling.

TomM - 10/8/2018 7:37:26 PM

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Going Blind TOO Matt?

THe Sagaris looks nothing like the renderings of the SUPRA - especially from the side - where the highly sculpted Supra is completely different from the TVR

CANADIANCOMMENTS - 10/8/2018 8:17:55 PM

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Agreed. Should the next 4Runner by a reskinned Jimmy? Should the next Tundra by a Silverado 1500 with a new grill? How about the next Camry? Where does it stop? You can't have a halo car and sub it out to another brand. It doesn't work that way. And you can't take a historic model for the brand and slap that name on a model from another brand. Who is running this show?

MDarringer - 10/8/2018 8:49:57 PM

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Actually, there is a LOT in common. Get your eyes checked.

wilfred - 10/9/2018 2:14:58 AM

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No surprise here, it’s a BMW with a Toyota badge. Just like the FRS/GT86 is a Subaru. But looking at it half full, it will have better handling and interior quality than any previous Supras. And most importantly, it will be somewhat affordable. Versus if Toyota had to start from scratch, this will never pass the corporate bean counter or it will be so overpriced like the GTR...