WHEN Chevrolet Releases The Mid-engine, C8 Corvette Should It CONTINUE Producing A Front-engine, C7 Corvette?

WHEN Chevrolet Releases The Mid-engine, C8 Corvette Should It CONTINUE Producing A Front-engine, C7 Corvette?
Everyday we're getting a little bit closer to the reveal of the all-new Chevrolet Corvette. Dubbed the C8, we're all a bit eager to see what General Motors names the mid-engine Corvette.

Will the Zora nameplate finally come to be?

In a recent interview with three former Corvette engineers, Hagerty discussed some of the key issues surrounding this setup in the legendary Corvette. Take, for example, why did it take so long? Or what are potential issues that die hard 'Vette owners may perceive with this forward-thinking layout that's been delayed for decades?

According to some of the engineers interviewed, they believe that the front-engine C7 will remain in production alongside an all-new, more expensive mid-engine variant. Given how much in-depth research they had access to and how well they know Corvette buyers, it seems to make sense.

Having said that though, we want to ask you, Spies: When Chevrolet releases the all-new, C8 Zora do you think the company will keep producing the front-engined C7 Corvette? Should it kill the C7 and risk alienating its very loyal buyers?


Recently we sat down with three former Chevrolet Corvette engineers—Dave McLellan, Dave Hill, and Tom Wallace—and got their take on the upcoming C8. Among the questions we asked: Why didn’t Arkus-Duntov’s pet project—the mid-engine Corvette—achieve lift-off on his watch? The idea has been kicked around inside GM for decade. What took so long?

Their responses are below....


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MDarringerMDarringer - 10/12/2018 7:24:04 PM
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Yes and Corvette should morph into a brand.


valhallakeyvalhallakey - 10/13/2018 2:02:05 AM
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I’m in. They should however cut way back on production of the front engine car for 12 to 18 months after the mid engine model is released.


dumpstydumpsty - 10/14/2018 2:24:48 PM
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his comment has some merit.

the 911 replaced the 928. and Ferrari still builds a beautiful larger front-engine 2+2 coupe that is respected.

a small(er) rear-engine 2-door 911 competitor should be the next GM-Chevy-Corvette challenge.


CANADIANCOMMENTSCANADIANCOMMENTS - 10/12/2018 8:13:28 PM
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Way back in the day the Porsche 928 was supposed to replace the 911. I suspect the C8 will meet a similar fate.


Agent00RAgent00R - 10/13/2018 9:45:19 AM
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I think you could be right.


CANADIANCOMMENTSCANADIANCOMMENTS - 10/13/2018 10:17:35 PM
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@Agent00R- Don't say that too loudly. But the C8 will be a big, wide, thirsty, impractical car with little storage. The C7 is a very practical and livable sports car (even hockey equipment fits) with local friendly service. It is really hard for any other brand to beat that, especially on a Sunday.


PUGPROUDPUGPROUD - 10/12/2018 8:19:01 PM
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For a transitional period...two years or so. The change to mid engine gives the Vette unlimited potential performance and frees up the front engine Camaro to reach much higher levels too. When both have front engines Chevy has had to do a balancing act between the two. But with each in a clearly different configuration, each can reach higher levels without stepping on the other. A 700+ hp front engine car is a totally different animal from a 700+ mid engine vehicle.


MDarringerMDarringer - 10/12/2018 9:11:15 PM
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I'd rather have 700 hp in a front engined car.


Agent00RAgent00R - 10/13/2018 9:45:47 AM
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I'd rather have 700 horsepower in a mid-engine car.


MDarringerMDarringer - 10/13/2018 10:41:32 AM
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If you knew how to drive at the limit, you'd realize that the chassis engineering NOT the engine location produces the handling. Moreover, a Z06, ZR1, or a 911 are very good reasons NOT to buy a mid-engined car and the NSX proves that mid-engined cars are nothing special.


TheSteveTheSteve - 10/12/2018 8:42:07 PM
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I'm not a GM fan or a Chevy fan, and even I can see that the 'Vette is a world-class icon, and a triumph of sorts: It delivers Ferrari-like performance, with superior reliability, a much lower price tag, and much lower maintenance costs. That's something!

It's also a showcase of American ingenuity -- conceived, designed, and built by Americans. I like that!

As much as I recognize market demands, and companies that cater to them, I feel it would be a shame to lose that heritage element of the Corvette -- the classic and proven front-engine, rear-drive layout.

The venerable Porsche 911 has a rear engine layout that nobody in their right mind would choose if they were designing a new car from a fresh piece of paper. And yet, the 911 is a stellar, no-excuses performer, in spite of the rear-engine disadvantage*.

I hope that Chevy continues with the 'Vette's ongoing glory and pride: front engine, rear drive.

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*The 911's rear-engine layout has some advantages, but mostly, it has numerous and serious disadvantages. The 911 used to be called a Widow-Maker because its rear end would try to pass its front end with the slightest misstep. Today's 911s have "the hell engineered out of them" to compensate for the rear-engine disadvantages, and to exploit the rear-engine advantages. The result is a noteworthy sports car, and in the case of a Turbo or Turbo S, a noteworthy and relatively attainable supercar.


EVisNowEVisNow - 10/12/2018 9:39:56 PM
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"It's also a showcase of American ingenuity -- conceived, designed, and built by Americans. I like that!"

Those words sound like they come from a true red-blooded American patriot, deserving a MAGA hat signed by Donald.

But if I say those words describe another American car company starting with a "T", I can guarantee a boo from you. No wonder why some people here call you a hypocrite.


MDarringerMDarringer - 10/12/2018 10:01:52 PM
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@EVisNow There are many reasons to call TheSteve a hypocrite. He's also "affected" with the pedantic footnote BS.


EVisNowEVisNow - 10/12/2018 10:56:50 PM
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I'm not partial between you and TheSteve.


MDarringerMDarringer - 10/12/2018 11:56:42 PM
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The one difference is that I am literally never a hypocrite. Oh wait, you don't know the definition. Look up the definition to become more aware, informed, and better educated. You may not like what I have to say but that just makes you intolerant. I however do not bash people and call them guilty for something which I am also guilty of, but TheSteve does it 24-7-365.


TheSteveTheSteve - 10/13/2018 1:00:02 AM
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EVisNow: In your assumptions, you have incorrectly concluded that just because I like that Americans can so some things really well, then I must be a Trumpist, and/or that a I must be a hater of non-American products.

All anyone needs to do read my posting history here on AutoSpies to see your beliefs are erroneous, and completely inconsistent with facts.


Agent00RAgent00R - 10/13/2018 9:48:15 AM
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I don't get what your beef is, EVIsNow.

Plenty of folks the world over take pride in their country's products.

I am with her...er...I mean, TheSteve.


OneOfOneOneOfOne - 10/13/2018 11:46:48 AM
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6.2 liter engine? all that space behind the seats with no use? its a pig of a car.


EVisNowEVisNow - 10/13/2018 12:53:36 PM
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@AGENTS
My beef is not with the Corvette, it's with the people who knock Tesla - another American car company with even more outstanding products and nobler cause.

These people constantly denigrate the company, even its employees (I'm not one). They try all sorts of FUD, disinformation, defamation, insults and ridicule. They perpetuate misinformation about the company without regards to facts. They attack people who stand up in protest, who provide facts and reasons about the company, its products and its mission. They deny facts that the company is a game changer, a fighter and survivor facing daily assault from the oil backers, local governments playing favorites, media outlets, short sellers,...

All the while, they root for foreign companies to "kill" and "destroy" it. They root for "paper" competition, not because of wanting more healthy competition but rather out of spite for its success.

If you don't think these people deserve to be called hypocrites, then ask yourself, are you one ?



TheSteveTheSteve - 10/14/2018 2:33:21 PM
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@EVisNow: Your convoluted thinking causes you to suffer.

When I wrote “[the ‘Vette] also a showcase of American ingenuity -- conceived, designed, and built by Americans. I like that!”, I did **NOT** mean “BECAUSE something is made by Americans, I’m crazy about it.” I respect the ‘Vette because it’s a noteworthy product. See my first paragraph of my post from 10/12/2018 8:42:07 PM, where I recount the ways in which it’s noteworthy.

In **ADDITION** to the ‘Vette being a noteworthy product – that means a product worthy of note – I think it’s cool that Americans thought it up, designed it, and made it.

So, with respect to your allegation of hypocrisy: a guy who says the ‘Vette is awesome while also saying the Ford Pinto is crap, is not a hypocrite, even though both vehicles were conceived, designed, and built by Americans. It’s that easy to understand… for most people.


A big part of your suffering comes from your cult-like devotion to Tesla. You take it as a personal offense when someone doesn’t like Tesla, or when they point out Tesla’s faults. When that happens, you suffer emotionally, as though you, personally, are being attacked. That’s the very definition of “taking things personally.” It’s a recipe for your ongoing suffering.

I recommendation that you enjoy your Tesla. Make peace with your car acquisition decision. Be good with it, and don’t take it personally when others think differently from you. You need not justify or prove yourself to others. You can accomplish this, without others validation, and without needing them to adopt The Tesla Cult mindset.



OneOfOneOneOfOne - 10/13/2018 11:45:12 AM
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people don't buy corvettes in enough volume now. probably because its just excessive in every way. mid engine will be the shark jump this tired car needs. it will be ridiculously expensive and piss off the old fogies and guidos who buy it now. they should look at making the corvette fit the footprint of the camaro with more efficient modern technology as the drivetrain [not ev] like mclaren does at a lower price. they certainly could if they were properly motivated but like all pieces of gm they are just lazy and inert.


TomMTomM - 10/13/2018 5:25:39 PM
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I agree - I do not see a real market for TWO Corvettes (especially if one can be called the OLD CORVETTE or the CHEAP CORVETTE)- but for a different reason.

I do not see it being profitable to support the continued development of TWO different lines of product. Adding that Chevrolet already has nearly competitive product from some Camaro versions - which is based on an existing platform - and it becomes unlikely that GM would spend to the required money to do that. I also do not see the NEED for a separate Corvette "Brand". It creates two instant problems - 1 - it eliminates the Halo of the Corvette as the top of the Chevrolet brand - and 2 - It creates a brand that then would not have a halo car = as a product of one.


MDarringerMDarringer - 10/13/2018 6:24:38 PM
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There is plenty of room for two Corvettes IF they are not priced the same.


PUGPROUDPUGPROUD - 10/13/2018 12:52:54 PM
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From inside source, the new C8 base 6.2 liter naturally aspirated Vette will be way under $100,000. Promised not to give base horse power figure out but it is greater than base front engine C7. More powerful, more expensive versions will be added over time as usual.


MDarringerMDarringer - 10/14/2018 12:11:03 AM
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A Corvette needs to be attainable and $99.950 isn't that.


JJPCARJJPCAR - 10/14/2018 8:59:09 AM
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The new mid engine Corvette is getting 3 engine options. Think for a moment, does that scream of they're keeping the front engine version? The only heritage the Corvette has is that it's a performance vehicle. Well, there is the badging too. The front engine Corvette will be retired. The Camaro will become Chevrolets front engine performance vehicle. Look at the ZL1. That car is a monster. If you haven't at least driven the magnetic ride equipped Camaro, do so. It's an amazing vehicle. Not to say the Camaro doesn't have its flaws but I'm not here to discuss them.

As for pricing, the rumor is 65k to 70k base and I wouldn't be surprised to see the top end version in the 120s. The current base price for the Corvette is around 55k for reference.


dlindlin - 10/14/2018 3:27:19 PM
+1 Boost
Yes, and price it starting at $45,000


Tommy11010Tommy11010 - 10/14/2018 10:24:10 PM
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GM going upstream for future clients and higher profits then GM should brand it under Cadillac. this would not affect the Chevrolet brand C7 and future corvette models. Make Cadillac what it should be a High end like the good old days. Make America great again is happening!!!


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