Who's REALLY To Blame For Vehicle's PRICE Surge? Used Car Market? Subprime Loans? EVs?

Who's REALLY To Blame For Vehicle's PRICE Surge? Used Car Market? Subprime Loans? EVs?
It wasn't too long ago I found myself asking if all-new vehicles were overpriced. When the Spies spoke it seemed that most agreed with that sentiment.

But why?

Well, the boys and girls at Road & Track decided to take this bull by the horns. Their thinking? Well, they seem to hone in on outside commentary that lays the blame on two things: 1) A strong used car market; and, 2) Subprime auto loans.

Perhaps there is a third option that no one wants to discuss, though. That would be electric vehicles. How, you ask? Well, EV research and development typically runs several billion dollars. And, like most things in life, the cost will get passed onto the consumer.

With low EV take rates, it would make sense for the average buyer to get caught holding the bag as automakers ramp up their technologies.

Having said that, Spies, we want to know: Who's REALLY to blame for the surge in pricing for today's vehicles? A strong used car market? Subprime loans? Or, EVs?



...It’s not just in our heads, either. Cars have actually gotten more expensive over the past 10 years, and not just by a little bit. Edmunds says that, on average, new cars sold for more than $36,000 in February, up 29 percent from the same month in 2009. Meanwhile, median household income in the US has only risen to around $62,000, an increase of about six percent over the past decade. Even more cringeworthy? Interest rates have also risen in that time period, from an average of five percent to around 6.26 percent. Not only are cars more expensive, but your auto loan will now cost you more money...


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wilfredwilfred - 4/4/2019 6:17:42 AM
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Nonsense, you cannot blame used car market on new car prices... You can the other way around.

Subprime, no, that’s the financial sector. Don’t see how that’s even related.

EVs? That’s pushing it but I guess you can argue with that...

The answer is SUV, SUV is driving the overall price much higher. Another answer is driving assist technologies.


jeffgalljeffgall - 4/4/2019 6:46:37 AM
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You can absolutely blame sub prime loans. To offset the cost of the low interest loan, the manufacturer bakes extra cost into the MSRP. So the appearance is a great deal with low interest, but the reality is the consumer pays for it.


cidflekkencidflekken - 4/4/2019 1:02:27 PM
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Subprime does not mean low interest. Subprime loans typically have a much higher interest rates due to lending to higher risk borrowers with less desirable credit profiles.


cidflekkencidflekken - 4/4/2019 1:04:34 PM
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If anything, manufacturers may be setting prices higher on new cars to offset losses on subprime loans due to default. Has nothing to do with lower interest rates.


jeffgalljeffgall - 4/4/2019 6:32:12 PM
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We are saying the same thing, I said “low interest loan,” meaning lower then the market suggests at a given time.


jeffgalljeffgall - 4/4/2019 6:47:29 AM
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I would add government regulations and CAFE standards driving the cost of newer technologies into the price of the car.


Agent00RAgent00R - 4/4/2019 8:25:47 AM
+3 Boost
Indeed.


MDarringerMDarringer - 4/4/2019 8:51:21 AM
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All the nanny state BS that is required has driven cost up. You also have scam artists like the IIHS that create fake tests to drive up insurance costs for the big insurance companies that own them. That conflict of interest has added a lot of cost to cars.


xjug1987axjug1987a - 4/4/2019 9:43:50 AM
+2 Boost
yep....


skytopskytop - 4/4/2019 10:36:01 AM
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FCA is currently offering $10,999. discount plus a $1,000 bonus discount on the Ram trucks. For FCA (or any other maker) to give off $12,000 plus any dealer discount in the middle of the model year demonstrates how much excessive margin is built into the vehicle retail price. The manufacturers have rigged the game and the consumer is the victim.


PUGPROUDPUGPROUD - 4/4/2019 12:45:24 PM
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Manufacturers have spread themselves too thin across every market niche, are investing heavily in EV's (development, manufacturing, inventory buildup, marketing), heavy into autonomous development with returns years away, heavy investment in China where demand cooling, and competing for engineering talent where demand far outstrips supply. All of these consume large amounts of capital and put enormous pressure on short term earnings causing manufactures to raise prices significantly. A massive industry consolidation is on the horizon when the next recession hits.


cidflekkencidflekken - 4/4/2019 1:08:21 PM
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Vehicle content is a big contributor to prices, I believe. And the ability to actually get a stripped down version of any car is near impossible. Just give me a car with a great powertrain and brakes, great wheels and tires, a nice stereo system, AC and heat, power windows, LED headlights, and that's about all I need. I got as stripped a version of my current car as possible, but it still has tons of stuff on it that I don't want/need. I could probably have lowered the price an additional $5k to $10k if I had the option to delete those things.


ricks0mericks0me - 4/4/2019 3:50:55 PM
0 Boost
The Republicans get blamed for everything. Blame rising prices on Richard Nixon and 17 missing minutes of Watergate tape


2ndbimmer2ndbimmer - 4/6/2019 10:44:08 AM
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Simple. It is solely based on standard features. All of these driver assist features (safety features) that are in the vehicles raise the base price.
Sub Prime lending has nothing to do with it. Most sub prime lenders are not tied with the manufacturer.
My friend is a finance manager at a Chevy dealer. They have cars for people with bad credit, the Sonic. If no one will approve you, it is 18% interest and it is your only choice. It is like a $15k car. Chevy isn't losing much if they default. Now if you want a Camaro, they would go to other lenders to try and get you approved. Not Ally Bank.


dumpstydumpsty - 4/6/2019 10:09:08 PM
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- used car demand,
- availability of long term loans,
- govt regulations for standard content & equipment,
- demand for SUV's,
- higher demand for upscale/luxury content in midsize mainstream brand vehicles.


jtz7jtz7 - 4/6/2019 11:21:58 PM
-3 Boost
Trump and inflation


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