EPA Administrator Says Obama Knew His Impossible Efficiency Standards Would Kill The Internal Combustion Engine

Obama's "green" plan was more about trying to decimate the middle class.

The Kenyan Turd was and is an unethical, 3rd grade level moron who despises America, is an enemy of the economy and Capitalism. No one compares with his despicable level of hate, dishonesty and deceit.

The Turd actively put his little peanut brain in an effort to destroy the U.S. Auto Industry, the Oil industry, the coal industry and small business.

Add in this felonious criminal activities to deliberately destroy the integrity and capability of the F.B.I. and the D.O.J. Hussein obamma represents the greatest FAILED presidency in U.S. history.

Oh Truthy, dearest. You're drinking the Koolaid again.

The Harvard Law School Grad save the US economy from the worst recession in 70 years with an estute economic team. He saved the US economy and the US auto industry. The current 9 year economic upswing started under Obama. It has continued unabated by his successor (trends have not changed despite a tax cut cut that increased the deficit by 77 percent this year).
What felonies - not your opinions - did he commit? The FBI under the republican appointee was well respected until the current criminla enterprise came to power (22 indictments to date, 7 confessions one conviction with more coming. There is no comparison.
While I disagreed witht eh steep EPA targets, to say it was felonious is emotional.
In three recent studies rating US presidents historical standing - including republicans, democrats and independent historians, Obama typically in the top ten. On tow out of the three studies, the current president is ranked last. In the third study he was next to last.
For an enemy of the economy it sure turned around during his tenure.
Additionally several fact checking websites have rated Donnie as the least honest president ever - by a wide margin.

Yeah the guy who makes campaign promises and fights w/liberal obstructionists to keep them... dishonest... riiiiiiggggghhhhhhttt! Keep drinking the kook aid and stay in the great white north... morons...

Truthy, at the very least atleast have links to back up your statements, with a name like truthy, you’d think you know better than to just spew out stuff without backup...sounds more like falsely

Truthy

What felonies - not your opinions - did he commit? How about FRAUD which he DID in order to qualify for student aid as a foreigner (or is he really one?) and ANY FELONY disqualifies him from being the POTUS. Hussein didn't even try to rebut this when confronted with it and the whole Leftard, asshole media give him a pass on that but did you see what Melania was wearing? -Pathetic!

You have no proof that he tried to qualify for aid as a foreign student. You sound like Cheeto-in-Cheif when he tried to push the birther movement - although there was a birth announcement in the paper in Hawaii. WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS AND PROFF?
Don't you think that with the current fascists that have replaced the republican party they would have tried to push a felony> Quit blaming the media for not spreading the BS you choose to believe in. I prefer facts.
This idiot who only got into Penn because of he daddy's contribution and gor t kicked out of school for punchong a teacher (we call that assault in the law abiding part of the US). He will not release transcripts, diploma, nothing.
He has settled fraud cases against his fraudulant Trump and his fradulant Trump Charity which never had required by law meetings and used the money people donated to pay for lawyers in suits against his golf courses. SAD>

Steve, Is that you?

You're such a dingle berry... Clinton Foundation or Trump Foundation... seriously? Only a complete idiot would believe the Clintons vs Trump. Trump works for free but the Clintons line their pockets... sad their so many blind idiots in this nation...

Trump works for free?!? Your drinking Russian Vodka, not kool-aid. Nearly everything he has done as president has enriched his company. Why do you think he won't release his taxes.
Why do you think he kisses Putin's ass?

What lie is that, jazzy? Did tRump reveal his taxes? Nope. Did he relinquish control of his company? Nope. Did the tax reform passed last year help his company disproportionally?
Hell yes. Did he still try to get Russian financing for a tRump hotel is Moscow WHILE campaigning for president? Yep.
And the FBI is far more reputable than this guy who tells 2,000 lies per year (factcheck.org).
Is this the greatest economy ever? No, not at all.

The GOP voters on this thread seem to be still upset the President Obama was a 2-Term President and is still loved and respected world-wide. He saved the world from a total collapse of the financial system, saved the US auto industry and put the order in to pull the trigger on Osama Bin Laden. As it is now 2019, Worry more about your "guy" making it to a 2nd term instead of complaining. The past is the past.

As for ICE cars, which is the point here, they will be replaced in time with BEV's. But it will take a while. It's called progress...But know that cars today would not be as safe, well made or as efficient without governments (of all stripes) making new rules and laws to continually raise the bar to the benefit of consumers worldwide.

what policy of "his", what did he 'enact" to save the world? What was "his" policy his campaign promise kepts... that saved the world?

He did zero except try to destroy the nation.... you're lost bro... totally lost. Guy never had a job in his life yet he saves the world? Seriously? He's only loved by the clueless idiots who benefit from his sell out of America... morons...

How did he "destroy the nation?" The economy was in free fall when he took office thanks to W. We are still in the longest recovery in our history that he started.
I would list more, but you do not understand facts.
What has Private Bone Spurs beside enrich himself and insult people?

Truthy: If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor and save $2500.00 per year in Health Insurance. How did that work out for you and everyone else?
OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America

You gotta love all the turd lovers here who thumbs down the folks that pay for their "benefits"....

You gotta love all the turd lovers here who thumbs down the folks that pay for their "benefits"....

Wow, one f**king example of a policy that was obstructed by the fascists in Congress. Oh, and by the way the affordable Care Act succeeded in reducing the nations health care cost, but why let facts get in your way when you have Fux News. As opposed to this current moron who has his daughter and Jared approved for top security clearances angainst every conceivable objection. Who has balloned the defice by 77 percent during a growing economy - unheard of since Reagan. Who cannot tell the difference between oranges and origins.
The indiot who is kicking 22 million off of insurance. Who has a cabinet of idiots.

President Obama did some good things, and some bad things. The keyboard warriors on this forum respond with childish comments and can NEVER back up their statements. For those of you here on the forum who are here for auto news, let's keep it that way. Engaging with anyone who believes President Trump's policies are for the betterment of our Country, don't even bother wasting your time. Vote in 2020.

Yes, so you should give back all the gains from your 401K, unemployment is historically low... what policies are "un-American"? I can provide you an extensive list of Obutt policies, such as spying on a Presidential Campaign, total corruption at every level, oh and this forum related article, "secretly" attempting to force their will on the American people. We didn't vote for EV's but that was their plan... LOVE the transparency. Democrats and Liberals are liars, pathetic and gutless cowards...

Hey xjug, the 9 year old recovery that Obama started and Cheeto Face came in on (like a pinch runner on third who claims he hit a triple). If you look at economic trends, none of thet rends changed significantly under Trump, they just continued. Not one policy Trump enacted has boodted the economy he is taking credit for. Don't bring up the tax break that had minimal impact on the economy as most was used for corporations to buy their stock back AND increased the deficit by 77 percent. Sad.

Then you are even dumber than I "orangeally" thought. My 401 K was doing much better after W left office and the economy was rescued by Obama and his staff of experts. And there was no spying on a campaign. Some idiot (there were many in his camp) bragged to a diplomat in Australia that Moscow was helping with information. This diplomat informed US intelligence. They had to get a sign off by a judge (a republican) to justify intelligence gathering on this individual. He by the way completed gulity. Sad that you believe anything on Fux.
The economy was in a free fall when he took over and he got us going on the longest recovery in our history. Health care costs were beginning to overwhelm the economy and he slowed the increase. I could go on, but facts do not affect you. Only the retards on Fox.

Well said. Now to the thread. The combustion engine is slowly dying. It is probably a 20 to 25 year death. EV's are the future and all the major auto makers are investing millions into them. I realize many on this forum are unhappy about this and in total denial. It is what it is. We rag on Tesla but they are not dying just yet. The simple reason they are still way out ahead of everyone else. Further unlike Tesla everyone else has to budget for EV's as well as the combustion engine until the big transition happens. To make it happen there needs to be this large mass scale investment into EV infrastructure. That will make the transition a hell of a lot easier.

Gross exaggeration: " I realize many on this forum are unhappy about this and in total denial."

People here that realize EVs aren't ready to replace ICE are bullied by ass wipes like you who think they are the second coming of Christ.

Some of us have perspective, but you don't.

Well said. EVs do not make economic sense. Some people without much sense may think it is cool to buy one when the economy is humming will not during a downturn.
Save money. buy an attractive ICE and with the savings send a check to the National Wildlife Fund.

The question really is which auto manufacturers will survive? By surviving I mean it will be the ones that did not put all their eggs in the EV basket.

The vast majority of consumers have rejected EVs and will continue to do so. A 2nd term for Trump will ensure the Social Engineering mandates of the Obama Administration are erased. There is a backlash brewing against the Social Engineers from Brussels throughout Europe. Brexit, the yellow vests of France is spreading.

The company that doesn’t commit all their available resources to EVs will survive.

Rivian.

i.e. just tiny ones

runbuh I agree with you 100% about big boys keeping options open. They cannot easily walk away from billions of dollars invested in ICE related bricks and mortar, people and technology but to their credit are pursuing EV's heavily. It is not easy for big companies to overcome the investment, momentum and culture focused on one direction to pivot in a different direction. Its like a big tank ship that requires huge effort and distance just to turn 1 degree. For example, Kodak who invented digital photograph couldn't change, couldn't compete against itself and couldn't capitalize on it.

They are not keeping their options open as much as you think. VW is 2 cycles away from being fully EV, Volvo as well. FCA is using Maserati as their testbed for EV in their next cycle to be ready to turn all brands EV. The cafe and emissions mandates from the Obama EPA and the EU, couple major cities Europe banning ICE engines in the near future. Then add in DieselGate has scared the hell out of the manufacturers. Plus the media is singing the praises of Tesla, overreaction and panic has unfortunately infected the boardrooms at the automakers.

This is very similar to what happened in the 90s when Government mandates from the CARB board in California requiring a percentage of a manufacturers fleet to be Zero emissions vehicles. GM spent 1 billion (1990s dollars) on the Impact only to have the CARB change the mandate.

They are not keeping their options open as much as you think. VW is 2 cycles away from being fully EV, Volvo as well. FCA is using Maserati as their testbed for EV in their next cycle to be ready to turn all brands EV. The cafe and emissions mandates from the Obama EPA and the EU, couple major cities Europe banning ICE engines in the near future. Then add in DieselGate has scared the hell out of the manufacturers. Plus the media is singing the praises of Tesla, overreaction and panic has unfortunately infected the boardrooms at the automakers.

This is very similar to what happened in the 90s when Government mandates from the CARB board in California requiring a percentage of a manufacturers fleet to be Zero emissions vehicles. GM spent 1 billion (1990s dollars) on the Impact only to have the CARB change the mandate.

If you look at EV adoption in the US, it is pretty much the same new product adoption curve as you would see out of a textbook. If companies don't adapt, they're film cameras in the age of smart phones (to piggyback on the earlier comment). ICE cars will become novelty products, works of art, antiques... but no longer practical in 5-10 years.

EVs are less than 2 percent of vehicle sales globally. Mostly sales are driven by government incentives, mandate (China), novelty. Without being able to sell carbon credits they would be losing even more money.
Obviously you do not understand product cycles in the industry. Cars for 5 years from now are already largely designed and about 97 percent ICE. Not to mention the $trillion plus infrastructure to handle the US fleet alone. Cold weather range?
What the hell textbook are you reading? Does it have pictures?

Well all the combustion engine ass wipes who are in complete denial should read what I said. The combustion engine is dying a "slow" death.
I did not say the EV's are the second coming. But sticking all your heads in the sand is not going to "make it go away mommy". Talking about lack of perspective. Ok the reason for the slow death is because unlike Tesla everyone else has lots of money still vested in combustion engine technology. Yet at the same time they all realize that EV's are here to stay. That means lots of R & D in both technologies where Tesla only has to invest in one. Yes you all believe that "The Donald" is going to turn back the clock and allow the old white man racist homophobic to continue fly the confederate flag anther 4 years. I have to concede there is logic to this as I do not think the country is quite ready for an LGBTQ Mayor to be our next president just yet nor OAC and her green deal to be VP. But you must realize that there is going to be a "boomerang" effect. For one the OWMRH population will continue to die off. This will have a "left" effect on both our politics and our cars. So consider this a stay of execution.

This is an incorrect characterization of those who are not wet-pantied giddy about EVs like you: "But sticking all your heads in the sand is not going to 'make it go away mommy.'"

You will not allow any perspective other than your own so you mischaracterize and act as if it's truth as you take the supposed moral high ground.

#TypicalHatefulSocialist

Then you are even dumber than I "orangeally" thought.
The economy was in a free fall when he took over and he got us going on the longest recovery in our history. Health care costs were beginning to overwhelm the economy and he slowed the increase. I could go on, but facts do not affect you. Only the retards on Fox.

so you're making comments about someone's skin... what does that make you? What if we referred to Barry Soetoro the community organizer, the one who never had a real job in his life... who got a $60M book deal and now lives in a mansion.... all from his "public service"... what would we be if we referred to him as you do the guy who has accomplished more than anyone on this blog, combined and still works for free vs lining his greedy pockets, and also keeps his promises...

I think that makes us better than you... and there are plenty of choice words for your comments...

I am not referring to his skin. If watch other news that this administration's cheerleader Fux, tRump kept using the word 'oranges" instead of "origins." Repeatedly.
So much for his best words. He is either drinking, having a stroke, stupid or all the above.

Obama was a partner at a large law firm and taught law at Northwestern, one of the premier universities in the US. You Fux news guys probably did not hear that.
Oh, and Reagan was the first ex-president to capitalize financially on his service. It was a big deal at the time.
So keep you ill-informed opinions to yourself and your friends at the Klan meetings.
You are aware that the Klan used "Make America Great Again" in the 1920s.

@Truthy, you're channeling your inner Steve too much.

If being wet-pantied giddy is the same as being a realist then I am guilty as charged. But at least Darringer I try to back up my opinions with rational arguments. You on the other hand seem most happy with typical Ann Culterist "name calling". If you do not think that EV's are the eventual automotive change and that the combustion engine is here to stay for ever by all means present your argument. Reality has nothing to do with morality. But by all means make a moral case for the combustion engine. I'm all ears.

As the Chinese Govt is pushing EV's and they "dictate" the largest automotive market, EV's will become more prevalent. That said, other markets might not go there as traditional market forces are in place. Unless govts lie to trick the population like Barry Soetoro and other do as I say not as I do liberals attempt to do, EV’s will remain a niche. Thing is all govts have to do, like in Venezuela, is turn off the power so the people cannot move about. Something to consider…

Once EV’s can be seen as a better alternative perhaps they’ll push out ICE transportation. As electric power is not clean and most tree huggers are pushing wind mills and solar panels, and advocate eliminating the only real source of clean energy, Nuclear Power, there simply isn’t going to be enough power to rival our oil-based economy. Interesting that France derives 90% of its electricity from Nuclear Power and I’ve never heard of any issues there, only the one big deal in Japan Regardless the oil-based economy will continue as practically everything we buy is derived from oil.

Agree, nuclear power is the answer for clean, affordable energy. You cannot have a successful economy without affordable energy.
The environmentalists have to be realistic. Wind, solar, hope won't achieve what they want.
Plus you would never hear about the middle-east on the news as they would go back to fighting each other with daggers.

We could just enslave the illegal aliens and put them on bicycle generators and support the green new deal.

So as I said before a slow death. Why a slow death. Very simple. There is still lots and lots and lots of money to be made with combustion engines and there is not the infrastructure in significant volume to support EV's. Further there is no uniformity among auto makers regarding a common standard method of charging. Tesla has their system and fast charging. Everyone else has a different system in place. Could you imagine Mercedes only had gasoline pumps specifically geared toward their models with a specific size gas pump nozzle that only fit Mercedes while BMW had their own size nozzles. This is still an issue with EV's, however. You cannot win over the driving population unless these issue's are resolved. But I think more than not that automakers are not willing to give up on the combustion engine and move over to EV's while there is still money in combustion. This is why I now believe dedicated EV companies like Tesla will continue to exist. Obviously China is the test bed for the rest of the world when it comes to EV's. Therefore 20 to 25 years out is my guess of the time frame for the combustion engine to die off. As I said a slow death.