When Did Auto Workers Start Becoming Like NFL Players?

Both can get drugs though.

"And sit on the sidelines disabled (i.e. not work) and still get paid. ;)"

- What a dumb thing to say. Do you believe that if someone gets hurt on the job that they shouldn’t get paid? Have you ever heard of disability programs? Or are you against those too? Get hurt on the job? Get another job (even though they're disabled) and Good Luck, no one gets anything for free here.

hey 00dumb anybody can get drugs moron.

“Lex....Why is that a dumb thing to say? It is the truth, isn't it?“

- Yes, its true. But you make it seem like it's a bad thing to get hurt and collect a paycheck. It isn't.


"I never said I was against disability programs (at employers). My company has fair (i.e. competitive with the market) short-term and long-term disability programs, but they are certainly not 100% salary, and you sacrifice your sick time first, before the disability programs kick in. How many major league players sit out a good portion of a season because of something like a broken ankle, yet still receive full salary.”

-The issue is with your employer. Just because your employer (or your company) doesn’t offer full benefits doesn’t mean that every other employer shouldn’t. Get on your employer for being so damn cheap (or stop being so cheap if you're an owner).


"How about all of the full-pay sick time UAW workers get (I've seen UAW contracts, so I know)? Certainly not competitive with other industries."

- The other industries sucks then. Would you rather work for a company that gives full benefits or partial benefits? And don't give me some spiel about how paying those benefits will bankrupt the company. Currently corporations are making the biggest profits that they've ever made.


"Let's look at insurance fraud. What type of worker (i.e. in what occupation/profession) who is out on disability is more likely to commit (disability) insurance fraud? I'll give you one guess....it isn't bankers, though. It's blue-collar, union employees. "

- And I suppose that the financial breakdown and those horrible credit default swaps that caused the recession were also caused by blue-collar, union employees? That was a rhetorical question. It was the bankers that almost destroyed the economy with their fraudulent behavior. The same people that you’re protecting. Why do you give corporations a pass? And never have anything derogatory to say about corporations or bankers? They must be perfect? It’s always the workers fault with you.

Workers shouldn't set their own wages/benefits. That's the employers job, if the employee doesn't like it, they don't sign their contract when they are hired or they go find somewhere that is providing the conditions they desire (if they can get that job).

"Lex...It's apparent that you are a member of the entitlement bandwagon, selfishly wanting something for nothing at the expense of others. Health and life insurance, disability insurance, and other benefits are all privileges offered by the employer - they are not something to which you are entitled." - BSBB

- Who would want to work for a place that doesn’t offer Health Insurance? What is this? 1920? If a company doesn’t offer health insurance then they are nothing more than a modern day sweat-shop. Not offering insurance only pads the pockets of the shareowners which is all you seem to care about. So what if an employee has to spend 30% of their salary on health insurance in the provate market. That’s just more money to go to another corporation. Win win right?


"However, people like you just want to take, take, and take some more, while giving little if anything in return. Such is the UAW/union way." - BSBB

- This is where you go off the reservation. Do you always make unfounded negative presumptions about someone? Or do you only do that when someone doesn’t agree with you? FWIW I’m not a union member (I’m in management in fact) also served in the Military.

"take take, take, and take some more”? This is funny. It’s the corporations (and rich folks) who have been take, take, and taking from the poor and middle class since God knows how long.


"Oh wait...doesn't that sound a little like redistribution of wealth? I guess we know which team you play for Lex." - BSBB

- Why do we have to be on seperate teams? I never thought of it that way. I thought we are all on the same team?

"redistribution of wealth?" I’m so glad that some of my tax dollars will be used to pay for a CEO’s corporate jet excursions. They really need my money to afford those trips. But hey, we have to take care of the "job Creators" right? LOL!! How's that for redistribution of wealth?

"Lex...So, if you were unemployed, had bills to pay, and someone offered you a job where you could earn some money to pay those bills, but that employer was unable to offer you health insurance (for whatever reason), assuming there was no other job available to you, would you not accept that job? " - BSBB

- Would you? Of course I would. Why shouldn’t I accept that job? Oh yeah…. I forgot, I’d rather get everything for free without working according to you. And gladly accept the poverty that comes with that.


“Would you say "Sorry, I cannot accept your offer because you don't offer health insurance. I believe you are a sweat shop. So, instead, I will allow the honest, hard-working taxpayers to support me via entitlement programs like welfare, WIC, and Medicaid, so that I can sit around all day waiting for someone to offer me a job that pays a portion (if not all) of the health insurance premium." - BSBB

- So in your perfect world everyone is employed and under the age of 55. Earth to BSBB, there aren’t enough jobs for everyone. There are more people looking for jobs, than there are jobs available. What should we do with those people? Kill them? God forbid we provide help to those freeloaders!! And if it weren’t for Medicare/Medicaid our seniors would spend all of their retirement savings on health care. Is that what you would prefer? Don’t answer that. Anything that takes money away from the poor/elderly and middle class and gives it to corporations is perfectly OK with you. That and if those programs are gone, that money can also go to the wealthy. Win Win


“Here's one for you: I am so glad that some of my tax dollars will be used by the current President to take nice golf vacations in the midst of a national economic crisis for which he is mostly, if not entirely, responsible. What say you, Lex?”

- Presidents aren’t allowed to take vacations? Or is it just this president? I can recall Bush on the golf course right after 9/11 "Now watch this drive" remember that? And besides Obama’s vacation costs taxpayers about 1/1,000,000 of what the oil companies get in Taxpayer subsidizes. You’re OK with the most profitable corporations getting $4B (that’s billion) in tax payer subsidizes. But not OK with a Paid official taking a vacation that probably costs $20k tops. I can see where your priorities are. And they aren’t with the working class folks of America. You are a corporate shill.

"What proof do you have that taxpayer money directly pays for CEO corporate jet excursions?"

- From the interwebs. pay attention to the word "subsidy":

"The tax break at issue in the negotiations is a 1987 provision of the tax code that allows corporate jets to be depreciated over a five-year period rather than the seven-year period required for commercial aviation. This is not something Barack Obama created, not something Barack Obama has ever supported, and not anything that has anything to do with the stimulus bill. It is, instead, a small but real subsidy that distorts the economy at the margin by encouraging large firms to invest in corporate jets rather than paying for commercial airfare."

If this is what you call automotive news?

009 has a problem with minorities making more money than he does.

Lexsucks you have a problem with minorities making more then you, you despise management positions making millions.

"Lexsucks you have a problem with minorities making more then you, you despise management positions making millions."

- No I don't. Don't tell me that you are another one of those corporate shills? Just because I'm not cool with Hedge Fund Managers having a lower effective tax rate than a waitress doesn't mean I despise them. Where do you get this crap from? Despise them? You guys are good. Either that or brainwashed. Ask a rich person to pay his fair share and they say that you are despising them, and that you are claiming "class warfare" against them. This is too funny. People can see right through this madness. The wealthy wants to hold on to every last cent. And they will do anything to keep it that way. Which includes making up that "Class Warfare" BS. Get a clue.

Lexsucks has already expressed his opinion on another thread that the more you make the greater a percentage you should be taxed. To him, a millionaire losing half of his income to taxes is ok as long as the welfare case doesn't have to pay any.

Lex..Here's a question for you: Would you support a flat tax rate for all workers, regardless of their income? That's the only way for everyone to pay "their fair share" of taxes. Otherwise, you are advocating a "steal from the rich to give to the poor" policy. That is typical socialism.

- How about bringing the tax rate back to what they were under Clinton? You know the time when we had a deficit. And how is taxing rich people at the same rate as a working American stealing from the rich and giving to the poor?

"Lexsucks has already expressed his opinion on another thread that the more you make the greater a percentage you should be taxed. To him, a millionaire losing half of his income to taxes is ok as long as the welfare case doesn't have to pay any"

- You just keep making up crap. Who said the more you make the more you should be taxed? Not me. Stop fabricating crap to try to and make up for a weak argument. Or at least show me this fictitious thread. All I said was that the rich should be taxed somewhere around the same rate as regular Americans (why should't they?). All that other stuff is crap that you made up.

LOL. This is so amusing. Unions headlines brings out the squeals.

Yea they are all pot smoking, lazy millionaires unlike us hardworking white collar folks who push pens and hold big important meetings for a living! They don't deserve to have a Union, we should outlaw Unions globally! China really has the right idea, so do other enlightened repressive countries that don't allow these types of associations (we might have to modify the constitution to outlaw it but I am sure the American people would be behind us. The more we can get to a country of us few elites and the rest of the masses really just serving us the better off we will be as America! You go 009 you know where it is at!

I detect sarcasm!! LMAO!!!